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Nov 02, 2014 06:21PM
I'd say keep it out of the fiction is my opinion. Keep writing your female characters as you have been - I see nothing that needs changing.
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You have not damaged your characters at all. I am a 21st century woman-- aged 21-- that goes out and walks about, and I'd like to say I'm at least decent looking, and catcalling has not happened to me. Nor have I actually ever seen it happen whether I'm in a city, a small town, or my college's campus. Such a thing has become just another outcry against oppression.
I've even seen posts online of woman complaining that any compliment whatsoever from a man, not just an irritating catcall, is unsolicited and disgusting. I think that's taking it a bit too far.
I've only read "All the Paths of Shadow"; but for that world, I feel putting something in like that might seem a bit off and out of place.
I think what's in that film is not harassment. The young men liked her and expressed their opinions. She is very sexy and beautiful, and their hormones stirred. Nobody assaulted her. I have never experienced anything like that myself, but then I've never been as beautiful as she is. I'd feel flattered in her place. I can't presume to tell you what your heroines should or shouldn't do in your fiction but I'm surprised that you're so upset on that girl's behalf. Besides, girls do the same thing too, when a nice looking guy passes by. Such behavior is not confined to one sex.
I've had comments like that woman had directed towards me since I was 10 years old.10 YEARS OLD
When I was 11 or so, some man who saw me walking with my stepfather (we look nothing alike) assumed my step was screwing me and had the nerve to ask him how much would it cost for him to have me.
I've been harassed, followed, catcalled, stopped, groped, slapped on the butt (and then slapped again because I protested).
When I have ignored those wastes of flesh that call themselves men I have been insulted viciously. Called everything but a child of God.
Even today - as married woman - I've had men try to stop me. Only about 1/2 of those men back off when I tell them I'm married. The other half ask if I "want a friend." *gag*
What happened to that woman isn't a compliment. It's annoying, it's scary, and it's harassment. Plain and simple. Imagine how men react around this poor woman at night.
I'm sorry for you, MrsJoseph. And maybe even a tad jealous. Maybe I feel the way I do because I never experienced anything like it. It's as hard for me to imagine myself beautiful and sexy as it's to imagine myself a rabbit. Different species, you know.
Olga wrote: "I'm sorry for you, MrsJoseph. And maybe even a tad jealous. Maybe I feel the way I do because I never experienced anything like it. It's as hard for me to imagine myself beautiful and sexy as it's ..."I haven't a clue as to what you (physically) look like, Olga, but I'm of the opinion that beauty is rather shallowly skin deep. You are beautiful to me. Every time I see your name/avatar, I see someone I'm glad I can call friend. I see someone confident, intelligent, kind and thoughtful. I sincerely doubt that you are not as beautiful as your personality.
And while men may desire my body, they have not a single interest in me. Very few men attempt to get to know me - they assume they already do. Very few want to be an actual friend - they are too busy complimenting me on the actions of my parents. But it's never been about me.
It often makes me feel dirty, to be quite honest. It makes my skin crawl. And it often scares me - I've been cornered by men who act like I owe them something. I've been touched against my will by strangers who then cursed me for daring to be upset.
These things (plus some others) has given me a bit of fear of men. I'm hard to get to know, hard to approach (I've been told). Never "dated" much, anything like that. Never found myself to be particularly attractive.
Maybe if my personality was different...? IDK. I'm an introverted nerd who prefers books to TV & movies, clothes or shopping (unless we're talking bookstores. I can do some serious damage there).
No need to change any of your characters, Frank. You haven't dishonored any of them.And sadly, that BS happens in Oxford.
I wouldn't change the characters either. For one thing, a fictional world isn't our world and for another, even slime bags normally have a highly developed sense of self preservation. Only an idiot with a death wish would treat a magic-wielding woman to some cat calls. And women like Darla move automatically in a don't-mess-with-me way, which lets 98% of the normal guys search for easier prey.Talking of prey: Yelling "Hi beautiful" at a woman might be a compliment or a harrassment. But walking next to her for several minutes is clearly meant to intimidate and "punish" her for her silence.
I'm no beauty and seldom get cat calls in Germany, but being a blond and younger than 90 years old made me a target for every Italian Romeo whenever I visited Italy. The first two times I felt honored when somebody tried to chat me up. But it got old soon - it took less than 10 minutes before it started to feel strange. Not a single one of them was really interested in me as a person. It was just a sort of game to boost their ego and they made me part of that game without asking first.
After half a day, it really creeped me out. After three days I was SO pissed off that I almost snarled whenever some male just opened his mouth. After one week, nobody gave me any trouble anymore. I guess that the male instinct of self preservation kicked in and the guys got the eerie feeling that their family planing might be in danger if they approached me without a clear invitation.
So if those Italian guys backed off just because I looked ready to kick them, I'm pretty sure that only suicide candidates would mess with your female characters.
But I really appreciate your opinion on this, Frank, because, honestly, it does take fun out of a holiday if you have to carry yourself like Rambo on a rampage the whole time. Not to mention this tiny knot of fear in your belly that whispers: "What will happen once they find out that your Rambo attitude is a fake and you probably wouldn't be able to kick someone without falling flat on your face?"... Good that for Meralda and Darly (not to mention Mama Hog or Gertrudis), this unvoiced warning is not a fake.


