Katherine Addison on Grimdark

Over at The Booksmugglers, a guest post by Sarah Monette / Katherine Addison about THE GOBLIN EMPEROR and grimdark.


Sarah Monette likes way darker fantasy than me, but about her recent title, she says: “I wanted to write a story (reflecting my own ethical beliefs, which I get more fierce about as I grow older) in which compassion was a strength instead of a weakness. Grimdark is, in some ways, another iteration of Byronism, and it has the same potential flaw of becoming self-congratulatory about its darkness, pessimism, and cynicism.”


I would say, by the way, that her MELUSINE is not grimdark. Dark, yes. But, though Monette herself thinks the Doctrine of Labyrinths may count as grimdark, for me to count a work as grimdark, it must have at least one of the following characteristics:


a) Important characters, perhaps even the protagonists, who start off as decent people or who are striving to become decent people, but who become corrupted during the course of the book and wind up being worse human beings at the end than they were at the beginning.


b) The world is objectively worse off at the end of the book than it was at the beginning.


c) The bad guy wins, good guys either lose or die or become corrupted.


I am going to hate a book if it possesses any of these characteristics, even if it is not the self-parodying exaggerated how-much-awful-can-one-book-contain thing that some writers are apparently striving for today.


At least some of Joe Abercrombe’s books have all three characteristics. They are grimdark.


While Monette’s Doctrine of Labyrinths quadrilogy was awfully dark for me and I didn’t read past the first book, I will say that MELUSINE definitely did not suffer from these issues. At the end of MELUSINE, both protagonists had become better people than they were to start with — they had met and overcome huge obstacles, and were still engaged in striving to defeat the bad guys and make the world a better place. Dark, yes. Grimdark, no.

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Published on April 24, 2014 09:40
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message 1: by Sherwood (new)

Sherwood Smith I didn't make it through Melusine, so I can't comment on that, but I agree with you on basic tenets. There is also the aspect of lots of graphic violence, and the violation of the innocent/helpless that I think is part of grimdark.


message 2: by Rachel (new)

Rachel Neumeier I know grimdark has a lot of graphic violence, but I don't think that's a defining characteristic. I actually can take quite a lot of violence; that alone doesn't necessarily turn me off. Though I think grimdark sometimes holds up graphic violence as an aim in itself and a mark of great writing, which is . . . um, questionable.

The violation of the innocent . . . It seems to me it's the reaction to such violation that might be defining for grimdark. I think in ordinary dark fantasy, the protagonist would react against that kind of violence and the victim would overcome the trauma, whereas in grimdark the protagonist would very likely glory in the violation of the innocent -- either right from the beginning or, as he becomes corrupted, by the end. And the victim would simply suffer and probably die.


message 3: by Sherwood (new)

Sherwood Smith Yes, I agree with both these graphs.


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