Why I am no longer a fan of Book Depository

I got a shock yesterday. Several of my American readers had told me they’d been unable to buy the new British hardcover edition of Sunne, that they kept getting an “out of stock” message. When I checked, the same thing happened to me, so I e-mailed my editor at Macmillan. She was away but she got back to me as soon as she returned, and I was utterly taken aback by her response. She said that Book Depository will not sell British books to American readers! Now we all know that with e-books, geography is destiny, but real books? My editor said that Macmillan does not have the legal right to sell their books in America and if Book Depository was selling in defiance of borders in the past, they should not have been doing that.

Like many of you, I’ve bought British books from Book Depository without any problem, but now they seem to be enforcing this insane policy. And Sunne is not the only victim. Americans cannot buy the new Bernard Cornwell, the Pagan Lord, either. They show only the American edition for pre-order; when I searched for the UK edition, which came out in September, even including the ISBN number, I was told there was no such book! And to add insult to injury, Book Depository is hiding behind weasel words like “out of stock,” instead of being honest and saying they won’t sell the books to us. I assume they will not sell American books to British readers, either.

So this is bad news for my non-British readers who’d hoped to buy the new Sunne. To compound the lunacy of this, Sunne is not taking sales away from my American publisher. There has not been a hardcover edition in the US since 1982! Amazon.co.Uk is still selling Sunne to American readers, but I suppose that could change at any moment; and of course, the mailing costs are quite high for these transatlantic sales. So once again the ants are crushed when the elephants fight, and guess who are the ants? Us, of course, the book-buying public.
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Published on October 11, 2013 05:29
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message 1: by the_cat (new)

the_cat Well, we -non uk or american readers- do get the option to buy it from any of the two bookdepositories. "Usually dispatched within 48 hours" As usual, slightly cheaper from .com...


message 2: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I was hoping that would be the case, Cat. But British and American readers are at the mercy of an obsolete business model that makes no sense in a global economy.


message 3: by Misfit (new)

Misfit Same thing happened with The Summer queen. Amazon UK in stock, plus shipping costs ('natch), bot not available at BE, who would have to ship for free. We've been discussing this at HFO. I'll find the links later, have to run.


message 4: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Thanks, Misfit. We'd like to see that.


message 5: by Caz (new)

Caz This makes so sense. Being a Brit, I've frequently bemoaned the stupidity of Geographical restrictions on ebooks, which make it impossible for me to acquire what I want on this side of the pond. But I've never heard of similar things applying to physical books! Hell, if people want to stump up the cash, I'll buy them and post them from here!


message 6: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I agree, Caz. It is so illogical. Publishers and booksellers do not seem to have grasped the fact that technology has changed all the rules and we live in a global economy now.


message 7: by Misfit (new)

Misfit Caz wrote: "This makes so sense. Being a Brit, I've frequently bemoaned the stupidity of Geographical restrictions on ebooks, which make it impossible for me to acquire what I want on this side of the pond. ..."

I agree about the ebooks, if it isn't available in the US, why can't I buy it from your side of the pond?

I just checked BD listing, US availability. Also checked EC's The Summer Queen and both show as not currently available, yet in stock at Amazon UK. Caz, any other UK bookselling sites you can toss at me to see if they list these books as in stock?

@ Sharon, HFO threads discussing availability of The Summer Queen here and more recent here.

I'm more convinced than ever that they're trying to wiggle out of the free worldwide shipping on BD. I'm tempted to order a copy from .uk and see, but I already own two copies of Sunne as it is :)


message 8: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I agree, Misfit. And am I unduly suspicious to connect this policy change to the takeover of Book Depository by Amazon?


message 9: by Misfit (new)

Misfit Sharon wrote: "I agree, Misfit. And am I unduly suspicious to connect this policy change to the takeover of Book Depository by Amazon?"

I'm fairly certain. Since Amazon is a Washington state based company, I just might be tempted to drop a note to the AG's office being a resident of this state and all. I might even try to get one of the consumer reporters interested. Anytime Amazon hiccups it makes news in Seattle.

Waterstones says they have 5+ of Sunne in stock and ready to ship.


message 11: by Misfit (new)

Misfit Caz wrote: "Waterstones - http://www.waterstones.com/waterstone...

http://www.waterstones.com/waterstone......"


And appear to be in stock on my side of the pond.


message 12: by Caz (new)

Caz Sharon wrote: "I agree, Caz. It is so illogical. Publishers and booksellers do not seem to have grasped the fact that technology has changed all the rules and we live in a global economy now."

Exactly, and it drives me batty. It's the same with audiobooks. For Gawd's sake, I WANT to give these people my money and they insist on making it very difficult!


message 13: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Misfit, a friend who has an independent press and is very business savvy, says that most publishers are dinosaurs and they aren't going to survive.


Lisa (Harmonybites) She said that Book Depository will not sell British books to American readers! Now we all know that with e-books, geography is destiny, but real books?

For the life of me I don't understand why it should even be true of ebooks. I've encountered this before with Harry Potter--you can't buy it directly from Amazon or Barnes and Noble, you have to buy from a special site--and they won't sell Americans the British editions. I already have the American editions in hardcover. I was particularly interested in the British edition because I hear it's quite different. So they lost that sale. I don't understand what it is they think they're losing or trying to gain in doing this--in this case we're not even talking two different publishers--it's the same site.

Oh well. You said I think the American publisher is issuing an ebook with the revised edition of Sunne soon?


message 15: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I totally agree, Lisa. it is so frustrating for writers who prefer e-books not to be able to buy them. I didn't know that about Harry Potter; how weird.
Yes, St Martin's Press is issuing a new e-book edition of Sunne that will incorporate all of the changes I made to the new Sunne and include the new Author's Note. I will try to find out when it is due. I was very happy when they decided to do this. This is what makes the Sunne situation on Book Depository so strange. Amazon and Amazon.UK will stop selling a "foreign" book if the publisher complains. But no one complained to them about selling Sunne, for there is no competition, no US hardcover editon coming out--ever.


message 16: by Ernestina (new)

Ernestina Yesterday I placed an order for "The Woodvilles" by Susan Higginbotham at Amazon.it with the seller The_Book_Depository_it: I paid €9,88+€2,40 for the shipping, while at BookDepository.co.uk it was sold at about €16 with no shipping fee. Now tell me if this is not strange! (unless they're not the same seller)

However, I'm now the proud owner of the new hardcover "The Sunne in Splendour": it's the first time I - consciously - buy a different edition of the same book!


message 17: by Charlene (new)

Charlene ... British and American readers are at the mercy of an obsolete business model that makes no sense in a global economy.

So true! It is maddening. It reminds of the distribution of Brit TV to American audiences, where we don't see Downton Abbey or Dr. Who, etc., until months after they've aired in the UK. And they wonder why there is illegal distribution...


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