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Sep 23, 2013 01:10PM
You go. Amen to that!
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second- my respect for you hasn't increased; it couldn't as I already have such high regard for you as a person and artist, there really isn't anywhere to go :D

Unfortunately, Amazon (and GR in association) has shown time and time again how much they love to ignore valid critism.



I want to know before I read, because these things are relevant to my reading experience, not some tangential factoids.
A review that tells me gender, race/nationality, political and/or social views, activism, and so on, is highly relevant, and I actively seek out voices that contribute diversity and inclusion to my choices. GR used to be the place I could count on to help me locate that information.
I would like Goodreads to explain to me how it shouldn't have bearing on my decision-making if (frex) an author donates money to anti-equality lobbyists, and why that information does not belong on an individual's review of a part of that author's body of work.
My friends and I talk about books, in person and in online spaces. We follow each other's reviews, we share recommendations. If on occasion, I want to make some commentary under my own name, on a book that everybody is reading, regarding why I refuse to read it related to EITHER problematic themes within the book, OR problematic behavior by the author, then HOW IS THIS IRRELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION?
Here's a real, true personal experience from a year or so past:
I attended an author event by a BIG NAME AUTHOR with a very large catalog. He spent nearly the entire event bragging about his output, telling us his plans for future 12-18 book series, and telling us what was wrong with stories by other big name authors, how they screwed up their story, and how he was going to rewrite the series to fix everything. I can't recall a single complimentary thing he said about another author, his entire tone was sneering and authoritarian, I found it very distasteful. I swore to never read one of his books, although I had several in my shelves, both on GR, and on my physical dtb shelves.
My personal decision regarding this event that I personally witnessed, was to just remove all of his books from my GR shelves, and to take the few hard copies I owned from my tbr pile and give them to Goodwill, because he wasn't worth my valuable time. However, I would like to know why, if I had chosen to update a TBR on GR to a DNR with an explanation and account of his appalling arrogance, that this wouldn't have anything to do with reading and reviewing? And yet, under the new TOS, my experience at a book event, for a particular book, with this author, is now somehow off-topic.
I'm so cranky about this I'm blithering.

@Stacey: "Reading social activism" - LOVE THIS. Hell to the yes.
It's going to be a HUGE issue when the Ender's Game movie comes out in November and people check out the book. And I'm incredibly pissed that GR is going to censor any discussion of OSC's raging homophobia and general crackpottery.
The dude is seriously noxious:
http://skipendersgame.com/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/201...



You're being unnecessarily literal here. Of course Goodreads "can" do anything they want. They can delete the entire site tomorrow if they desire.
We're discussing this with the assumption that GR wants to retain their userbase and minimize abuse issues.
As for "stopping them from bullying," that is the entire point of my post: shelving an author as a BBA or discussing that author's public RL activities is not "bullying."

And what about some sort of "checks and balances"? Some sort of oversight over what gets deleted? A way to appeal a decision?
Beyond that, the example of Hitler as an author of "Mein Kampf" is what went through my head - how can you not see the author's persona and beliefs as part of the evaluation of his "work"????? This case may be extreme, but it makes the point very well.


The thing that puzzles me about GR's deletion of shelves mentioning "author behavior" is that typically, these shelves reflect PUBLIC behavior. Perhaps they are actions that the author now regrets, but nevertheless, these actions were put out for the world to observe. I don't recall ever seeing a shelf like "Picks His Nose In His Car" or "She Is Mean To Her Husband At Home."
But an author who gets in Twitter arguments with reviewers, for example, made the decision to share that with the world. Why do we, as reviewers, have to ignore and hide that author's behavior?


