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Of course, the fact that we had Summer Olympics in China, where you can be arrested and disappeared for a host of "crimes" like speaking your mind, is not encouraging in the hope that the IOC will do much.

So di I Nico, but, as Kaje says, it's very unlikely.

I usually only really watch the Winter Olympics, because snow is so exotic.

Oh, exactly so. I don't have a lot of hope the IOC will do anything, but like you, I'd love to see them make it an issue.


Not only does money talk, I think it's been the only thing the IOC has heard in years.

The scariest thing for me re: Russia (and many other countries, for that matter) is the lack of any measure of consistency/reliability at this point. The term "winds of change" is wholly appropriate and the current direction blowing in Russia doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

The scariest thing for me re: Russia (and many other countries, for that matter) is the lack of any measure of consistency/reliability at this point. The term "winds of change" is who..."
It is scary stuff. Any time a charismatic leader (let's face it, despot) starts to demonise a minority group for political gain, you know it's going to get worse before it gets better.


I'm sure they help plenty of people. You know, the old, rich people on the IOC itself, who get to travel the world for free, stay in five star hotels, and have the host city pick up all their bills.

It sure does. :)

And regarding the IOC - their track record of standing up to dictatorships and other authoritarian systems isn't exactly benign.

And regarding the IOC..."
Agreed. The IOC tends to jump into bed with whoever is showering them in money and gifts, regardless of any of those pesky human rights' abuses.
I do wonder what made apartheid so different then, when they'd turned a blind eye to so much else. Whatever it was -- probably just the growing realisation that apartheid was just too blatant an abuse for even them to ignore -- it would be nice to see them reach the same conclusion about Russia.
Because all that rhetoric about how friendly competition brings nations together, and how they have higher principles than getting involved in grubby politics...well, that's a massive load of bullshit. They're not above it at all. By holding the games regardless, they're complicit.

As some recent military interventions have shown, stomping on a dwarf is easy, but if the stompee is strong enough and/or has the means to retaliate, see how the stomping doesn't happen in the first place. Funny, that.
In my case, I'll be boycotting Russia as both a travel destination and an origin of goods (bye-bye, Stoli). Maybe I'll get to see St Petersburg in my lifetime. I live in hope.


Sadly, I think you're absolutely correct.

Yes, China was another good one, wasn't it?
And it's a lot harder to avoid goods made in China than in Russia.

Meanwhile, the Nazis were already building concentration camps. In that case, I think, Ravenbrueck, which is near Berlin. I'd have to check. But it's sobering.

And it's a lot harder to avoid goods made in China than in Russia.
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Nearly impossible, especially in clothing, although I try. It takes a lot of searching though.
It is easy for a host nation to put on a facade of compliance, and modern media around the Olympics seem to have this happy, happy don't-look-too-closely attitude to the games. At the same time, it is hard on athletes to make sudden changes in the competition. I remember the various boycotts, which seemed to mostly affect the athletes losing their chance to compete, because the reasons for them were largely downplayed on an international stage.
Moving the games as a whole would have impact, but lower level boycotts don't seem nearly as effective. Unless a huge nation like the US were to boycott. So it does come back to putting pressure on the IOC.


It's terrifying. Despite the way that someone shrieking "This is just how it started in Germany in the 1930s!" usually makes me roll my eyes (because the comparison is often so ridiculous), there are some striking parallels here. Particularly in the number of thugs who are now openly (and proudly) targeting gay youths in Russia, with the tacit approval of the authorities.

I think it's totally impossible here.

Oh, I'm sure that there are a hell of a lot of people out there who don't give a crap that gays are getting imprisoned. But yes, it's much worse than that. There was a story on Huff Post a few days ago about gay Russian teens being targeted by gangs of thugs online. They'll pose as a potential boyfriend, arrange to meet up, and then film themselves assaulting and degrading these poor kids. And then they'll proudly post it online, because they're allegedly preventing pedophilia. (Because, as you know, all gay teens grow up to be pedophiles.) It's absolutely abhorrent.


And I forgot to add -- what's very disturbing on the local front too, is that this whole "solution" of sending asylum seekers to PNG (apart from the conditions. I've lived in PNG, and it doesn't have the infrastructure to provide for its own population, let alone refugees. And don't get me started on law and order there...) is that homosexuality is illegal in PNG and you can be imprisoned for up to 14 years.
So being an asylum seeker is bad enough. Being a gay asylum seeker just got worse.


I've never been to Berlin...only made it as far as Munich and Frankfurt. From what I saw, Germany is a beautiful country, and I'd love to make it back there one day.
But yeah, in this case, it's really not drawing a long bow to make the comparison at all, is it?
And when will we be seeing the fruit of all this research? Hint hint.

There are so many interesting periods and things, but if I'm the only one interested in that, it's just not sustainable in terms of career or sales. Which bums me out. :(

Here's a link to sponsors: http://www.sochi2014.com/en/team/partner
Some big names there: Coke, McDonalds, Visa...

Yeah, I hear you! I love history as well, and I love writing historicals. Definitely a labour of love though. But then I also love researching, and discovering stuff I didn't know...and that moment when you find the perfect research book!
The first thing I do in a strange city is look up all the museums. :)


Crispy wrote: "Thanks. I have an really guilty conscience at the moment cos I bought a Russian babushka doll and a Lenin badge while I was on holiday in Melbourne last week. The whole tourist-must-have-trinket th..."
Lol. If that's the shop in the Royal Arcade, I bought a Lenin badge there three weeks ago. And so many other trinkets and associated crap that I didn't need, I had to pay for excess baggage on the way home.


They have great babushkas! And the toy shop next door is pretty awesome as well :)
I bought a coat before I went, but I did end up with a wooly scarf, gloves, and an awesome knitted hat that I will never wear again in my life. I'm in Townsville, and we're having our fortnight of winter right now. You know it's winter here when you think about putting socks on instead of running around in bare feet all day.


Ours too :) And yeah, we whinge about how cold it is when you have to turn the fan off.


A box? You were lucky to have a box. All twelve of us lived in a hole in the middle of the road... or something like that, right?
Goodnight! :)

FWIW, I always enjoy a Monty Python conversational detour. :)
But seriously, Lisa's blog post is a major reason why my interest in the Olympics overall died a slow and sad death. Used to re-schedule life and sleep during the 2 weeks or so to catch events live whenever possible (no small feat during early days of cable TV, as well as when international datelines are involved ^.^). Now? Too turned-off by original ideals/symbolism usurped by commercialism, profiteering, and politicking. Beijing being picked for the 2008 Summer Games was the final nail for me.
The reference (reminder?) re: Nazis is somewhat apropos to me only b/c I always take that as a general caution against being too lax or apathetic re: certain situations/events. "Given an inch but takes a mile" and all that. On one of my trips to Berlin, I managed to get in a tour which included the stadium for the '36 Berlin Games. It was eerie to stand on that field (made more so by the foggy day) and think about what history later revealed as already happening at that time.
To tie it to current-day Russia, the overt targeting of homosexuals as "undesirables" makes the Nazi reference perhaps even more apt. IIRC, inmates at Nazi concentration camps ranged from political dissidents to socially undesirables (gays, gypsies) to racially undesirables (namely, Jews). There is a definite difference to Putin from his first term in office, and Russia under the renewed Putin seems to be heading closer and closer to the old Soviet days. :(

I do not personally know anything about the sponsoring group, AllOut.

I do not personally know anything about the sponsoring group, AllOut."
Thanks Kaje!

Wentworth Miller Comes Out: 'Prison Break' Star Reveals He's Gay
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08...
After being invited to attend the St. Petersburg International Film Festival in Russia, the "Prison Break" star decided it was time to go public with his sexual orientation.
"Thank you for your kind invitation. As someone who has enjoyed visiting Russia in the past and can also claim a degree of Russian ancestry, it would make me happy to say yes," the 41-year-old wrote in a letter to the festival's director, which was posted on GLAAD's website. "However, as a gay man, I must decline."

Wentworth Miller Comes Out: 'Prison Break' Star Reveals He's Gay
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20..."
That is a great link, and an awesome response by Wentworth Miller.