MAINSTREAM VERSUS GLBTQ - WHAT IS A FAIR PRICE?

Here it is... can you smell it? Can you feel the crinkle of that special kind of silky paper beneath your fingertips? 'Course you can. I'm salivating right now just looking at that giant pile of the green stuff (although it would be shiny gold stuff for me in the shape of the great pound coin *sigh* how I miss the pound note. When you had one of those in your purse you actually felt like you had money, not loose change - anyhoo, I digress)

December 2011, Rebel Ink released my Too Much Christmas Spirit short of almost 4,000 words (told you it was short) for $2.99 and it flew off the shelves, sold really well, which surprised me. When I saw how much it was up for my immediate thought was "That's way too expensive, no one's going to buy it." So when it did I kind of thanked my lucky stars and did my Snoopy dance.

December 2012, I self-published 'Tis the Season, another Christmas short of just under 4,000 words - I think there may have been like three hundred words difference between the two stories - at the gigantic price of 99c American which is 66p British. The only thing that amazed me about this short, although it did sell very well, were the comments made on both Amazon and Goodreads about how it wasn't worth 99c. Well maybe those people didn't like the actual story you might say. Actually no, they said it was a good story, just not long enough for the 99c they paid out.

I was so upset by this that I posted on my blog about the actual monetary cost a lot of self-publishers face in producing a story - whether it be 4,000 words or 70,000 words. 'Tis the Season cost nearly $300 to produce and publish, so I kind of thought 99c was a pretty good deal and with the commission only 35% on books at Amazon priced less than $2.99, I didn't break even.

I also had the same thing happen with the Monty Series, where someone complained about paying 66p for the first one and so on. The whole idea behind Monty was that while I was working on meatier, longer stuff, I could release a little bit of cheap fluff (again, cheap to purchase, but not cheap for me to produce) for my readers enjoyment and didn't have to wait months and months for a new release. It certainly wasn't intended to rip anyone off.

Anyhoo... now that's the background out of the way, let's get to the reason for my rambling. I released Monty #3 today, but before I did, I had a discussion with a reviewer friend of mine as I have to admit I am slightly paranoid about pricing now, so needed a second opinion.

Monty #3 is longer than the others, coming in at just over 16,000 words, and I asked her whether she would be happy to pay $2.99 for a story that length. I was half expecting her response to be God that's way too much, sending me to run off with my tail between my legs. However, she actually said that she'd be more than happy to pay that. She indicated that in her opinion GLBTQ authors price their books way too low, and that mainstream authors charge a lot more for a lot less.

This got me thinking...

Have we been pricing too low? Are we thinking, deep down, that because we write in a specific genre, people won't buy our stuff unless we practically give it away? Why? Aren't we just as good as mainstream? Isn't there just as much call for our genre as there is for fluffy white picket fences and 2.4 children? Should we be relegated to the bargain bin because of our genre, not the quality of our work?

There is also the inimitable question... why are publishers able to price some of our books at such a high price and they still sell? Try and put up 4,000 words for less than a dollar/pound as a self-pub and you're a money-grabbing sleaze-bag. Does a story have more weight because it is released through a publisher? I don't see how. It's the same story you would submit to your publisher, you're just cutting out the middle man, not cutting any of the quality. As a self-pub author, I still have to pay for an editor, a cover artist, a proof reader and a formatter. The only thing different is that its my company name on the bottom left hand corner, no one else's.

I may be opening up a whole can of worms here... but what's your opinion... as author, as reader, as reviewer... lay it on me.

Lisa xx
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message 1: by Trisha (new)

Trisha Harrington Honestly, I like the "cheaper" prices. For me, I read a lot and when I see ebooks $10 which is around 9 euro I can get annoyed. Some paperbacks are cheaper than some ebooks. I do my research. I only read MM though, and so in that sense I don't care about other prices.

I have seen stories under 10,000 words being sold for 3 or 4 euro. Sometimes even more, and it annoys me because I want a fair price for the stories I buy. For a short I would pay $0.99, I would!!! I see that as a fair price.

Looking at other mainstream authors I say to myself, that's why they make millions. The books are expensive. Some might have to sell really well, but the price alone is enough for me to see how they become so rich. In some cases I see it as a rip off.

In general I like the price of MM books. They are fair that is something I need. If a book costs a lot and it's not in paperback I won't buy it. It may seem mean, but I only buy this genre and to be honest I would hate to see my bank account if I did read more mainstream genre's.


message 2: by Trisha (new)

Trisha Harrington I just want to add. For a good book, and a good author I will pay more. But, I think we need to be fair and see that not everyone can afford expensive books. If the genre got more expensive I would have to cut down massively on my reading.


message 3: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Worrall I would never charge $10 for a book and would argue with a publisher who wanted to release it for that. I don't think I could write anything that would warrant that sort of price - I know I wouldn't pay it.

I agree with Josie Goodreads who made a good point. 99c for anything below 10,000, $1.99 for 10-15,000 and anything above that $2.99. The most I've charged for anything is $3.99 and that was Always Hope at nearly 80,000.


message 4: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Worrall And I am loving your profile pic - I meant to say the other day!


message 5: by Trisha (last edited May 24, 2013 09:35AM) (new)

Trisha Harrington Lisa wrote: "And I am loving your profile pic - I meant to say the other day!"

Thank you. :)

That's something I have noticed though, some authors don't care what they charge. I have seen ebooks that were $15. I may sound cheap, but for a book you can't hold in your hand (and if you're me, could delete) I find it hard to say they want readers. How many people could read much with prices like that?

It's even worse with YA when they have younger readers.

I'm glad you, and so many authors see that. I always would ask if someone charges that, would you pay it? :)


message 6: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Worrall Absolutely!
Unfortunately though, even if you price something at 99c, sometimes there are readers who complain about paying that, too. There are some out there who take into account the amount it costs them to produce the book and up their price- I'm not one of them.


message 7: by Trisha (new)

Trisha Harrington Lisa wrote: "Absolutely!
Unfortunately though, even if you price something at 99c, sometimes there are readers who complain about paying that, too. There are some out there who take into account the amount it c..."


Yes, I admire you, and many other authors, for that. One day if I could ever write well enough to publish I will keep everything as low as possible. To me, it's only fair that if I want readers, I will make my books affordable to them!

A girl can dream. :)


message 8: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Worrall I read a quote the other day which I thought was very poignant and I'm probably going to get it wrong but hopefully you'll be able to get the gist...

"Dreams are a reality you haven't got to yet."

Something like that - but I thought it was true :)

You keep plugging at that dream - don't give up, and I look forward to reading your books :)


message 9: by Trisha (new)

Trisha Harrington Lisa wrote: "I read a quote the other day which I thought was very poignant and I'm probably going to get it wrong but hopefully you'll be able to get the gist...

"Dreams are a reality you haven't got to yet."..."


Thank you, I am "published" if you go into the technical term that my work is out there. Just online and it's only been a year. Lol. Someday I will look into publishing more detailed. :)

I can't wait to read more from you! :)


message 10: by Enny (new)

Enny Since I'm one of the people who complained about the price of 'Tis the Season, I'd like to explain that for me, the problem was more that the story was too short and the ending too sudden and that's why I felt that the story wasn't quite worth the money. It's probably really hard to write such a short story where you get a good feel of what the characters are like (unless it's an established couple from a previous book), have some drama and come up with a satisfying ending.

The fact that due to the large page size, the actual story comprised only 6 of the 17 pages in the book and the promotions for other books at the end were 1 page more was also probably a bit unfortunate from a psychological viewpoint. Not Just For Christmas, which costs approximately the same per 1,000 words, felt much more well-rounded in comparison. Did people also complain about that one being too expensive?

Whether a book is self-published or from an established publisher or the genre makes no difference to me. I've also made the same complaint about some of the Christmas stories MLR published, especially since they included the author list and GLBT resources they have in every book in the word count. You on the other hand are very good about word counts so I knew beforehand that 'Tis is very short and I probably shouldn't have bought it. But since I buy every book you publish, I couldn't resist.

The problem with the Monty stories might be that it's more like a serial where each book is one step in their developing relationship and people who want a HEA in the books don't like that. I personally think they're funny and cute and I look forward each month to reading about what's happening next and I just bought the new one.

My only complaint is the fact that the pdfs are pretty much unreadable due to the wonky formatting done with Calibre. I'm in the middle of writing a blog post about how to create pretty pdfs with Calibre and I'll send you a link once I'm finished. I think that in order for people to feel they're getting good value for their money, a book should have a professional look and a good cover alone isn't enough.


message 11: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Worrall I'm glad you're enjoying Monty.
The thing about Tis the Season is, as it was Christmas and it was only three authors whose Christmas stories I advertised, it was a bit of free publicity. It never occurred to me anyone would object and I didn't do it for any monetary gain. The trouble with Amazon, not so much ARe because they allow you to put the word count - is they ask you for the page numbers which is annoying. Because although they're A4 on the computer, standard book size doubles the pages.

And OMG, you're right about the pdf on calibre. I'm always concentrating so much on getting the mobi and epub right, it never occurred to me to look at the pdf, I just assumed that was the easiest one! I've just saved the manuscrift as a pdf in word and it's perfect!

Give me your email address and I will send you the alternate copy - and I'm heading to ARe right now to upload the new file. Thank you, if you hadn't mentioned that, I would never have known!

Lisa
x


message 12: by Enny (new)

Enny Right there with you regarding the stupid page count on Amazon. It'll never cease to amaze me why a company who is the biggest seller of ebooks still sticks to page count for books that have no actual pages.

I thought it was nice that you included some promotion for fellow authors. It's just for such a short story, the percentages of story compared to promo wasn't quite right. It's simply a psychological thing - like not choosing a large page size like letter of A4 for short stories.

Don't worry about sending me the pdf. I can just as easily download the new version from ARe although I already used the epub to convert it myself with Calibre. I mostly read on my tablet but short stories are a nice distraction when you're supposed to work but aren't in the mood and for that I still prefer pdfs.


message 13: by Lisa (new)

Lisa Worrall :)


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