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Nov 21, 2012 01:40PM

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Seriously, Aiko. I cannot stand longwinded writing. It's a very rare book that needs to be longer than 300 pages. Remember, I rarely read fanfic or online fic either. ..."
Well, it will still be long because it's just a long series so it still may not be for you even after we edit. If we cut out even 30-40% of what's there now, it will still need to be split into two volumes for the first and second books. They never should have been lumped together the way they are because the content spans several years and it is just too big to get it down to ever be a normal sized book
Weasel wrote: " Is there one giant story arc or is it episodic?"
Both. There is a giant story arc, but the breaks between the existing books feel natural. Just like most series there are hooks from one book to the next, but the endings provide natural stopping points.
Both. There is a giant story arc, but the breaks between the existing books feel natural. Just like most series there are hooks from one book to the next, but the endings provide natural stopping points.
Weasel wrote: "Kate wrote: "Weasel wrote: " Is there one giant story arc or is it episodic?"
Both. There is a giant story arc, but the breaks between the existing books feel natural. Just like most series ther..."
The length of ICoS makes more sense than the length of Special Forces, which could use 500K whacked out of the middle and the end and whichno one very few people would ever miss. There isn't that much fat in ICoS, but any serial gets bloated. Even Dumas could have cut his books in half!
Both. There is a giant story arc, but the breaks between the existing books feel natural. Just like most series ther..."
The length of ICoS makes more sense than the length of Special Forces, which could use 500K whacked out of the middle and the end and which
Weasel wrote: "Kate wrote: "There isn't that much fat in ICoS, but any serial gets bloated. Even Dumas could have cut his books in half! "
Does it make me a hypocrite if The Count of Monte Cristo is my one of fa..."
Pretty much. Unabridged that is somewhere around, what, 1200 pages??!
Does it make me a hypocrite if The Count of Monte Cristo is my one of fa..."
Pretty much. Unabridged that is somewhere around, what, 1200 pages??!
Marleen wrote: "I'd happily volunteer to take the machete to Special Forces."
Oh, a dagger to the heart of me! You would slash into the most emotionally intense, heart wrenching epic saga I Have Ever Read just to make it cleaner and more to your taste? I am appalled!
Oh, a dagger to the heart of me! You would slash into the most emotionally intense, heart wrenching epic saga I Have Ever Read just to make it cleaner and more to your taste? I am appalled!
Weasel wrote: "Kate wrote: "There isn't that much fat in ICoS, but any serial gets bloated. Even Dumas could have cut his books in half! "
Does it make me a hypocrite if The Count of Monte Cristo is my one of fa..."
LOL! You too? I love that one.
Does it make me a hypocrite if The Count of Monte Cristo is my one of fa..."
LOL! You too? I love that one.
Weasel wrote: "Marleen wrote: "I'd happily volunteer to take the machete to Special Forces."
Do it! Slash it to within an inch of its life. You can bandage over the wounds with a hospital bed declaration of lov..."
Only if her eyes are telling me deep, heart felt truths while she does it!
Do it! Slash it to within an inch of its life. You can bandage over the wounds with a hospital bed declaration of lov..."
Only if her eyes are telling me deep, heart felt truths while she does it!

You weasel! I thought you said you didn't like long books. Maybe you should try the 1500 unedited pages of Evenfall then :)
As for you and Marleen and Kate and your machete and sarcasm and making fun of what other people think of Special Forces, I have no comment.


No, I'm not saying that. But I'm not going to comment either.
Lenore wrote: "No, I'm not saying that. But I'm not going to comment either."
No. Not comment, just post Discworld photos. ROFL!!!
No. Not comment, just post Discworld photos. ROFL!!!

Shut up. I was planning on posting that pic anyway.

Of course I don't have a solution, except that publishers could stop lumping everything together under broad categories and try to help readers find more precisely what they want to read.
I'm pretty new here at GR but I can already see how these issues affect authors (though I am just a reader) far more than readers, who are in the driver's seat here.
I wonder just how the gay community feels about all those giraffe shifters out there that don't resemble or represent any real gay men. I didn't read the original Jessewave article, but now I absolutely must check it out!

"
Wait... what?
There are poeple who don't like chocolate?
@Chris
"too often lately it's felt that I'm reading books written by authors who are grinding them out simply to be saleable. I've grown weary of this. So very weary.
Yes this... a million times over.
Stuart made some great points and I loved the humorous approach to set the scene.
This comment - "I wonder how free these authors feel to step outside the conventions of M/M fiction and still have a reasonable expectation their books will sell."
is one of my real worries for the future of the genre.
I appreciate publishers are in the business to make money but for a little extra effort in the marketing department there is still such a vast untapped potential currently being binned because it doesn't 'fit' existing sales.
As readers, how do we change this? If we vote with our pennies the publishers go out of business never having taken a chance on something new. If we keep buying the same old trope rehashed in yet another new shiny cover we convince the publishers its what we want and they buy in more of the same.
It's a catch 22.

Don't.... just don't. We've been getting on so well.

Don't.... just don't. We've been getting on so well."
I'll try to keep my homicidal urges under wraps.