Portal-keeping

I don't usually indulge in the rah-rah-down with gatekeepers blah-de-blah which so many people associate with self-publishing.  Trade publishing has brought me many good books and I hope that it continues to do so.

But.

Reading this discussion about portal fantasy on Rachel Manija's livejournal has made me at least briefly pick up the pom-poms and start cheering.  Ms Manija starts the post out with:
Yesterday there was a fascinating discussion of portal fantasy, in which a character from our world is transported to another world. The classic example of this is Narnia. I can’t link to the post, because it was filtered (the “portal fantasy” discussion was in the comments) but I offered to make a public post on the subject. I invite the participants to copy their comments to it.

There was a Sirens panel in which five agents, who were discussing their slush piles, mentioned that they were getting quite a few portal fantasy submissions. Two of them said those made up about a quarter of their total YA fantasy submissions.

I said, "This intrigues me, because I haven't seen a single one in the last ten years. Is it that editors aren't buying them? Did you pick any up?"

The agents replied that none of them had even requested a full manuscript for a single portal fantasy.

They explained that portal fantasies tend to have no stakes because they're not connected enough to our world. While in theory, a portal fantasy could have the fate of both our world and the other world at stake, in practice, the story is usually just about the fantasy world. The fate of the real world is not affected by the events of the story, and there is no reason for readers to care what happens to a fantasy world.

One agent remarked that if the protagonist didn't fall through the portal, there would be no story.

And, of course, I was thinking Stray.  I never submitted Stray to any publishers or agents, not because it was portal fantasy, but because it was in diary format, deliberately rambly, and written originally in blog form.

I had no idea that the biggest bar against it was that it was portal fantasy.

An entire sub-genre.  A sub-genre which is the basis for some of the most popular and enduring stories we have (from Narnia to Oz).  And both levels of 'gatekeepers' were automatically not interested, had declared the sub-genre dead - and not told anyone.

I've had plenty of opportunity to fully appreciate the frustrations of the submission-go-round, and I'm so glad that this particular bullet is one I dodged.

The Touchstone Trilogy remains my most popular story.  People read it end to end, and start over.  I had one reader tell me it got her into reading science fiction.  She went on from me to McCaffrey!

So, yeah, rah rah self-publishing.  Here's to having multiple options, to that internet-wide hole in the fence beside that gate.
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Published on October 21, 2012 17:33
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message 1: by Estara (last edited Oct 21, 2012 09:58PM) (new)

Estara Andrea, her full name is Rachel Manija Brown ^^ - but otherwise I also thought Touchstone fit the description here if they hadn't named the discussion on Rachel's blog portal FANTASY.

ETA: And TTT is such a comfort read for me that I have to space the rereading. I read it three times this year already, after discovering it in February. On average every three months ^^. Since GR doesn't count books you reread in the same year, this is screwing up my book challenge, hehe.


message 2: by Andrea (new)

Andrea Ah, well, I consider Touchstone "science fantasy". Psionics fit handily into magic as much as they do into science.

Classifications are so slippery. You can take exactly the same story, with exactly the same powers, and people will call it science fiction or fantasy entirely depending on whether you get about in a spaceship or on a horse.


message 3: by Estara (last edited Oct 21, 2012 09:59PM) (new)

Estara It definitely isn't hard science fiction - I don't really like hard sf books.

ETA: Off to work now!


message 4: by Nona (new)

Nona The funny thing is...I happen to think that 'Portal Fantasy' (a sub-genre I didn't know existed) might be my favorite. I have three top favorites and they involve the lead falling through a wormhole (Stay), falling through mythical stones into 18th Century Scotland (Outlander) and a girl traveling to Ireland to solve her sister's murder (Dark Fever). [The lead in Dark Fever realizes that her human world is actually surrounded by Fae, and her world is thrown into Chaos.]

They all involve the lead's being subjected to starkly different situations without the comfort of the known. So whether the Portal is physical/literal like Stray, or figurative like Dark Fever, they are my favorite. It's strange to me that because of genre, a potentially well-written book is backburned. Then again, I know very little about publishing.


message 5: by Estara (new)

Estara The agent in Rachel's thread said that the problem is that SO many people want to write it, because it is popular and they grew up with it, that SO much crap gets thrown on the desk's of agents that they are really weary about hoping for another Narnia, etc. And are automatically very mistrustful that the offered work will measure up.

Caitlin if you follow to Rachel's LJ post, there are lots of recommendations of old and some recent portal fantasy books.


message 6: by Nona (new)

Nona I went through the first hundred comments and enjoyed all the insight from all angles. I understand how they get inundated with the genre, but what I disagree with is the pigeon-holing. That simply because it is Portal Fantasy that it should stack up with previous Literary Giants, or even be remotely similar because they both have a portal. It can be a great (or even, just enjoyable) without being the newest bestseller of its day.

I hate it when new books are sold as The Hunger Games with a twist of Twilight. If I wanted those stories, I would read those stories. I want the new novel's story to sell itself, not another story to do the job.

There were a lot of good recommendations, but I prefer stories with more mature slant. YA typically doesn't quite fulfill that need for me.


message 7: by Estara (new)

Estara Yes, a blurb with comparisons to other books doesn't do anything for me either.

I like reading YA and adult sf&f. With Sherwood Smith's books I've enjoyed middle grade books occasionally, as well, although I don't read those regularly.


message 8: by Andrea (new)

Andrea I'd be surprised if "portal fantasy" ever became a hot genre, because the portal is simply a starting device, and every single other thing about the story could be different. That's not nearly consistent enough for a bandwagon.


message 9: by J.L. (new)

J.L. Dobias Hmm this calls for a portal anthology. Get about twenty authors together each write their own take on a story that has a portal as the device to get things happening.

This is what creative writing is all about the many different possibilities and no two authors stories the same.

And yes, yes all those vampire and distopia novels are closely related to the real world and we can so relate.

Why when was the last time we were struck back into the stone age.

Oh wait, with the way our government is going we will go back a number of years soon-- if they have their way.

I'll just go write a blog about how submissions for wizards and sorcerers will be banned from the editors desk.

Oh, that manuscript, I think we sent it out one of those portals.

J.L. Dobias


message 10: by Danae1972 (new)

Danae1972 I just have to say I LOVE the Touchstone trilogy and I've read it several times now. So I'm glad you dodged the bullet and self-published, otherwise I'd have missed out on that awesome storyline!


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