The first Tudor and the Blood Countess

August 7th is not a date I’m likely to celebrate, for on this day in 1485, Henry Tudor landed at Milford Haven in Wales, and began the march that would lead to Bosworth Field and eventually to the Showtime series, The Tudors, both of which I’d expunge from our collective memories if I could. And one of history’s more monstrous figures was born on this date in 1560. Elizabeth Bathory is the Hungarian countess often compared to Vlad the Impaler, who is said to have been the inspiration for Dracula. The countess was accused of the most horrific crimes, of torturing and murdering hundreds of young girls, and lurid tales were told of her bathing in the blood of virgins in an attempt to retain her own youth and beauty. How much of this is true? I honestly don’t know. All I can report is that the accusations were made, and while she was not brought to trial herself, her accused accomplices were found guilty and put to death. She was bricked up in a windowless chamber at Cachtice Castle, with air vents and slots for food and water to be slid in to her; amazingly enough, she survived for three years in this living entombment.
Sorry the stories are so gruesome today—the coming of the Tudors and a mass murderer. But our news is not much better; that massacre at the Sikh temple in Wisconsin is as brutal as any medieval murders. My heart goes out to the victims and their families.
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Published on August 07, 2012 06:54
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message 1: by Jemidar (new)

Jemidar Some of us are quite happy to celebrate the coming of the Tudors ;-).


message 2: by Nicole (new)

Nicole Diamond plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose


message 3: by Rio (Lynne) (new)

Rio (Lynne) Yes, Jemidar we are :)

The Wisconsin murders were shocking! Two small town massacres in 2 weeks (Colorado Theatre) Very sad.

Even though I'm aware of Bathory, I haven't read about her.


message 4: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I think of Elizabeth as "the only good Tudor," Jemidar. But I still think we could have done without the rest of them quite nicely. Of course that would mean that I'd not have been able to write The Sunne in Splendour and would have been stuck as a tax lawyer (shudder) for all of my born days.


message 5: by Rio (Lynne) (new)

Rio (Lynne) What a waste that would have been Sharon :)


message 6: by Orsolya (last edited Aug 07, 2012 10:16AM) (new)

Orsolya Being 100% Hungarian, I know a lot about Elizabeth :) I also have some books I can recommend.


message 7: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Also, I second Jemidar! (Or third, after Lynne).


message 8: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Thanks, Rio. I'm so much happier besieging castles than filing court briefs. Orsolya, if you can recommend some books about Elizabeth Bathory, that would be much appreciated. I'll pass your recommendations on to my Facebook readers, too.


message 9: by Orsolya (last edited Aug 07, 2012 11:06AM) (new)

Orsolya I would suggest Infamous Lady andThe Private Letters of Countess Erzs Bet B Thory. There are some fiction works available but they are overly-done on the blood and virgins.


message 11: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Thank you, so much, Orsolya. When I posted that I'd share your recommendations, one of my readers asked how the countess is regarded in Hungary and I promised to pass on her question.


message 12: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya It makes me happy that people are interested in my people!


message 13: by Linda (Miss Greedybooks) (last edited Aug 07, 2012 01:10PM) (new)

 Linda (Miss Greedybooks) I have read a couple of Elizabeth Bathory books.("The Blood Countess" by Andrei Codrescu & "Countess" by Rebecca Johns. - Orsolya what do you think of either of these? both differ greatly in the representation of Elizabeth.

I have read almost all of Sharon's books, my favorites are the Eleanor of Aquitaine ones, (I have to buy the latest one). Do you think you might write a book about Elizabeth Bathory?


message 14: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Orsolya, thank you so much; you've made a lot of people happy today! My Today in History posts are skewed toward western Europe, since that is my "field." Unfortunately I am not that familiar with eastern europe. Two of my readers, one from Israel and one from Poland, often post about "eastern" events on my blog. I'd be delighted if you'd post here from time to time on Hungarian history.
Linda, no, I'd not want to write about the countess. Too much misery all around.


message 15: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Linda wrote: "I have read a couple of Elizabeth Bathory books.("The Blood Countess" by Andrei Codrescu & "Countess" by Rebecca Johns. - Orsolya what do you think of either of these? both differ greatly in the re..."

Linda, I've never read "The Blood Countess" but based on the reviews I just browsed; it seems very fictional and lacking in the factual content. However, again, I never read it so I can't properly conclude. As for "Countess", it is the most popular fiction book on Elizabeth but I find it to be too much based on the current vampire craze stereotypes. That is why I suggest on sticking to non-fiction works on Elizabeth. Just my opinion.


message 16: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Sharon wrote: "Orsolya, thank you so much; you've made a lot of people happy today! My Today in History posts are skewed toward western Europe, since that is my "field." Unfortunately I am not that familiar wit..."

I would love that! My father was a Hungarian author and although I am first generation in this aountry; I grew up in a very Hungarian household and with Eastern European friends. My boyfriend is Serbian and recently visited the country so we are firm in our roots.


message 17: by Rio (Lynne) (new)

Rio (Lynne) I hate when author's take real history and turn them into vampire sagas or pure fictional BS. This stuff happened? Real people were murdered. How would we feel to see 9/11 turned into a vampire series. Disgusting!

Orsolya, I will check the NF ones out.


message 18: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Rio, I am still marveling at these books that have Jane Austin hunting vampires and Abraham Lincoln chasing down zombies--or is it the other way around?

That is wonderful, Orsolya. Thank you.


message 19: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Rio (Lynne) wrote: "I hate when author's take real history and turn them into vampire sagas or pure fictional BS. This stuff happened? Real people were murdered. How would we feel to see 9/11 turned into a vampire ser..."

I think you make a very good point and comparison, Lynne. I agree with you.

I am glad you are going to check some Elizabeth books! :D


message 20: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Sharon wrote: "Rio, I am still marveling at these books that have Jane Austin hunting vampires and Abraham Lincoln chasing down zombies--or is it the other way around?

That is wonderful, Orsolya. Thank you."


I am not currently subscribed to your blog. How do I go about that? And how would I contribute? Is it open to postings?


 Linda (Miss Greedybooks) Orsolya wrote: "Linda wrote: "I have read a couple of Elizabeth Bathory books.("The Blood Countess" by Andrei Codrescu & "Countess" by Rebecca Johns. - Orsolya what do you think of either of these? both differ gre..."

Orsolya; Thank you. I have put some NF ones on my to-read list. I would like to read more about her & the ones I have read don't seem to tell as much as I would like to know about.

Looking forward to Sharon's Blog & your contributions.

Sharon; I always look forward to your writing!


message 22: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Linda wrote: "Orsolya wrote: "Linda wrote: "I have read a couple of Elizabeth Bathory books.("The Blood Countess" by Andrei Codrescu & "Countess" by Rebecca Johns. - Orsolya what do you think of either of these?..."

Terrific! I hope you will enjoy them!


message 23: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Orsolya, here is the link to my blog.
http://sharonkaypenman.com/blog/ I usually try to do a new blog every two weeks or so, though I may fall behind if I am bogged down in a key chapter. I've left this blog up longer than usual because I am offering a book giveaway and wanted to give people time to enter. Readers can subscribe to my newsletter, via my website, but to be honest, I put them out very rarely, preferring to communicate through the blog and Facebook and now Goodreads. There is no need to subscribe to the blog; anyone can access it and then post a comment. The comments are screened for spam, of course, but I try to make sure that no real posts get scooped up in the spam net. I do my Today in History posts on Facebook and then post them in the comments section of my blog, and that is where Koby, the Israelia college student, and Kasia, my Polish reader, post their comments about historical events. I know my readers will be very pleased if you join in, too!


message 24: by Christina (new)

Christina When I was going to school in Cambridge, I found a book (at Westminster Abbey of all places) Countess Dracula that I devoured in an evening. I'd never heard of Bathory before, but she simply fascinates me. I found the book to be level-headed and not that lurid. I am always looking to read more about the history of countries in Eastern Europe. They are fairly hard to find here in U.S., though.


message 25: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Sharon wrote: "Orsolya, here is the link to my blog.
http://sharonkaypenman.com/blog/ I usually try to do a new blog every two weeks or so, though I may fall behind if I am bogged down in a key chapter. I've..."



Terrific! I signed up for your newsletter (regardless of how frequent or rare updates are) and also requested you on facebook to stay in the loop!


message 26: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Yes, I friended you as soon as I saw your name, Orsalya.


message 27: by Orsolya (new)

Orsolya Thanks! :)


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