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   I definitely agree with you. At first I had trepidations because yes, how many times can we say it, she really did need a good editor to help her with this. Using the thesaurus and spell check on your computer document doesn't cut it. But, if I were an erotica writer, I would definitely be looking at the plot and characters of FSOG. How can a writer go wrong with 40 million copies sold? Obviously, there is a group of readers who may or may not read "higher level thinking" novels but if I was looking for an intellectual bender, it definitely wouldn't be FSOG, right? Categorize it where it belongs.
      I definitely agree with you. At first I had trepidations because yes, how many times can we say it, she really did need a good editor to help her with this. Using the thesaurus and spell check on your computer document doesn't cut it. But, if I were an erotica writer, I would definitely be looking at the plot and characters of FSOG. How can a writer go wrong with 40 million copies sold? Obviously, there is a group of readers who may or may not read "higher level thinking" novels but if I was looking for an intellectual bender, it definitely wouldn't be FSOG, right? Categorize it where it belongs.I am curious to see what comes out of academic papers as regards to FSOG. Cultural and literary theory is an interest field that could really dig into this along with WHY? is it so popular? I have grown to like the books although my first review did not reflect this because I was looking at it through a theorist's lens and being the natural editor that I am. But then I just relaxed and read it for pure pleasure. Much better. I do take offense to this being called "Mommy Porn". It brings to mind those giggly girls in the dorm room reading the "naughty" parts of Sydney Sheldon books! While the rest of us talked openly about it. Really? I feel like the "Mommy Porn" type of statement sets us back to a very prudish society.
 I think we're still in a 'very prudish society.' How could it be otherwise? People are making a very great fuss over a very mediocre book packed with explicit sex scenes. And it's not as if there haven't been a lot of those around for the last 20 years or so. But none of them have had the sort of marketing machinery behind them that this one has. Which means a major publisher has never felt like putting their muscle behind an erotica book before.
      I think we're still in a 'very prudish society.' How could it be otherwise? People are making a very great fuss over a very mediocre book packed with explicit sex scenes. And it's not as if there haven't been a lot of those around for the last 20 years or so. But none of them have had the sort of marketing machinery behind them that this one has. Which means a major publisher has never felt like putting their muscle behind an erotica book before.I think the general public has been interested in reading explicit erotica for a while now, but haven't been aware of any.
 Half of the women on my Facebook friends list read this series, and only admitted it on their FB wall after posting the caveat "I only read it out of curiosity" or "I liked the story, not the S&M elements" or something along those lines. The book is flying off the shelves, but it's still being read with guilt and shame.
      Half of the women on my Facebook friends list read this series, and only admitted it on their FB wall after posting the caveat "I only read it out of curiosity" or "I liked the story, not the S&M elements" or something along those lines. The book is flying off the shelves, but it's still being read with guilt and shame.The other half of my women friends are posting religious diatribes on the downfall of society based on the recent popularity of porn and how we must protect society from such evil influences.
Then there are my few genre reading friends, who have always gleefully and unashamedly read erotica and any other sort of book their hearts desired. We all bash the books with unreserved snark--showing a different sort of elitism, I suppose.
I would like to think that the Fifty Shades craze is tantamount to an opening up in society, but I think the way in which it's being received only shows that we're more apt to judge each other than ever before. And that society is a big bunch of zeitgeist loving lemmings. If everyone is reading The Da Vinci Code, Twilight, Harry Potter, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, or (GASP!) erotica, then that's what they'll all read.
I don't know if it's possible to find that magic formula which tips off the latest craze.
I think the general public has been interested in reading explicit erotica for a while now, but haven't been aware of any.
And even if you're aware of it, it takes a lot of dedicated digging to find the well-written stuff. If you're one who is already tied up with shame for even having the desire to read erotica, it's not likely you'll come to it easily.
 Wicked Incognito Now wrote: "...society is a big bunch of zeitgeist loving lemmings."
      Wicked Incognito Now wrote: "...society is a big bunch of zeitgeist loving lemmings."Oh this made me laugh. Gorgeous turn of phrase!
Your comment on it being hard to find well-written erotic fiction is very well made. And I think it's fair to partially lay the blame on this at the door of the literary critics.
Erotica, as a genre, has been largely ignored by most critics - dismissed as being 'porn' in word form. It has meant that there was no exterior pressure to produce well-written works. So, I will freely admit that the literary standards of my genre aren't high. Some would say they are hardly there at all.
And perhaps one very good thing to come out of the success of FSOG may be that we begin to see the standard of writing rise. If everyone's complaining that FSOG is a badly written book, perhaps it will light a fire under the asses of erotica writers to say: I can write better than that.
It wouldn't be that hard.
 Yes. There's definitely a positive in that. Also, more women may have discovered an interest in erotica that they weren't aware they had. If erotica gets more sales, then publishers will start supporting it with editors and marketing. It could be a good thing.
      Yes. There's definitely a positive in that. Also, more women may have discovered an interest in erotica that they weren't aware they had. If erotica gets more sales, then publishers will start supporting it with editors and marketing. It could be a good thing. Just like the Twilight craze has led many more teens into reading and more publishers into marketing teen fiction, it's a gateway drug.

 I've run across a number of erotica writers who've said they haven't and won't be reading
I've run across a number of erotica writers who've said they haven't and won't be reading 


