I'm a guest on the Divinely Modern podcast!

Haley the Scientist and I had a fascinating, fun and sobering chat about patriarchy, Christian feminism, the church, and Christian nationalism. (And, of course, my novel!) We touched on concepts from books by Rachel Held Evans, Kristin Kobes Du Mez, Beth Allison Barr, Philip B. Payne, Sarah Bessey, and much more!

Check it out wherever you get your podcasts (and see Spotify link below)!

"It’s conditioning. It is psychological conditioning. It’s not just saying, 'Daddy says you can’t go to college.' It’s saying, 'Daddy says you can’t go to college, and you know what? God says that, too. And if you do, you’re going to hell.' And that is spiritual abuse." ~L Maristatter

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ank...