HERESIES with Co-Hosts Kevin Kelly and Noah Feldman (#677)

Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. I’m very excited to publish this episode. This is an experimental format, and we are calling it HERESIES.

The objective of this format is to encourage and celebrate independent thinking.

Please enjoy!

Bios of the co-hosts and guests:

Kevin Kelly (@kevin2kelly) helped launch and edit Wired magazine. He has written for The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal, among many other publications. You can find my most recent interview with him at tim.blog/kevinkelly

He is the author of the new book Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier. Other books by Kevin Kelly include Out of Control, the 1994 classic book on decentralized emergent systems; The Silver Cord, a graphic novel about robots and angels; What Technology Wants, a robust theory of technology; Vanishing Asia, his 50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia, and The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future, a New York Times bestseller.

Kevin is currently co-chair of The Long Now Foundation, which is building a clock in a mountain that will tick for 10,000 years. He also has a daily blog; a weekly podcast about cool tools; and a weekly newsletter, Recomendo, which is a free, one-page list of six very brief recommendations of cool stuff. He is also a Senior Maverick at Wired. He lives in Pacifica, California.

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Noah Feldman (@NoahRFeldman) is a Harvard professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual, religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books, including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America. You can find my interview with him at tim.blog/noah.

Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.

Noah is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and a former contributing writer for The New York Times. He served as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.

He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s Ethics. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School and clerked for Justice David Souter of the U.S. Supreme Court.

He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About ItWhat We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation BuildingCool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global CompetitionScorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices; and The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.

His upcoming book is Bad Jew: A Perplexed Guide to God, Israel, and the Jewish People, which is currently available for pre-order.

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Maggie Spivey-Faulkner is an anthropological archaeologist and practitioner of Indigenous archaeology, currently working as an assistant professor in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. She also serves as an assistant chief of the Upper Georgia tribal town of the Pee Dee Indian Nation of Beaver Creek, a state-recognized Native American group in South Carolina. Her work focuses on using anthropological data to upend harmful misconceptions of Native American peoples embedded in public policy, science, and the public consciousness.

Maggie was raised in a tight-knit extended family in rural Hephzibah, Georgia. She is an international fellow of The Explorers Club, a former junior fellow of the Harvard Society of Fellows, and a recipient of the National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowship. She received her Ph.D. in anthropology from Washington University in St. Louis in 2018 and her A.B. from Harvard College in 2008. 

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Joshua L. Steiner is a partner at SSW, a private investment firm, and a senior adviser at Bloomberg, L.P., where he was previously Head of Industry Verticals. Prior to joining Bloomberg, Steiner co-founded and was co-president of Quadrangle Group, LLC, a private equity and asset management firm. Before co-founding Quadrangle, he was a managing director at Lazard. From 1993 to 1995 he served as chief of staff for the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

He serves on the boards of Yale University, the International Rescue Committee, and the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. Steiner received a B.A. in history from Yale and an M.St. in modern history from Oxford University.

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SELECTED LINKS FROM THE EPISODEHeresy Definition & Meaning | Merriam-WebsterOpinion: Talk Less. Listen More. Here’s How. | The New York TimesHow to Become a Better Listener | Harvard Business ReviewExcellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier by Kevin Kelly | AmazonUtopia by Thomas More | AmazonStudy Design 101: Randomized Controlled Trial | The Himmelfarb Health Sciences LibraryStrawman | Your Logical Fallacy IsHephzibah, Georgia | WikipediaWhy Sharing Stories Brings People Together | Psychology TodayConstitution of the United States (1787) | National ArchivesPerspectives on the Constitution: Constitutions Around the World | Constitution CenterBritain’s Unwritten Constitution | The British LibraryThe Powerful Iroquois Confederacy of the Northeast | Legends of AmericaHaudenosaunee ConfederacyWampum | Onondaga NationBurning Man1789: Madison, Speech Introducing Proposed Amendments to the Constitution | Online Library of LibertyNumber of State Constitutional Amendments in Each State | BallotpediaThe Rise of the American Dream and the Forces That Made America | Al JazeeraHow The Post-War Home Reflects the Changing American Dream | The AtlanticThe Rage of the Incels | The New YorkerViolence Has Grown Since California Incel Shooting | Southern Poverty Law CenterAddiction: Why Is Drug Use in America on the Rise? | KolmacWhat Are the Cultural Differences between Europe and United States? | QuoraAmerican Modernism | WikipediaWhat Should We Understand about Urbanization in China? | Yale InsightsIndian Migrations: Indians Are Leaving the Country in Droves. Here’s Where They Are Headed and Why | The Economic TimesWhy Does American Culture Have No Rite of Passage? | QuoraKeeping up with the Joneses (Idiom) | WikipediaA Reminder That College Ranking Is Pretty Much Meaningless | RedditChasing the Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs by Johann Hari | AmazonLost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression — And the Unexpected Solutions by Johann Hari | AmazonJohann Hari’s Journey of Discovery About Depression | FilterHousing, Family, and Life‐Course in Post‐Growth Japan | Japan Architectural ReviewWhy More Americans Are Choosing to Live In Multigenerational Housing | On PointBritish Centre for Durkheimian Studies (BCDS) | Faculty of Theology and ReligionHow America Fell into Toxic Individualism | Psychology TodaySoHo | The Official Guide to New York CityIs Moving Closer to Work Financially Worth It? | The Christian Science MonitorElections: Why Fascism Still Has a Hold on Italy | Al JazeeraTrump Scammed $250 Million from Supporters Over Election Fraud Claims | Rolling StoneHow Americans Say Their Priorities Changed during COVID-19 | Pew Research CenterWhat Is a Right-to-Work Law, and How Does It Work? | InvestopediaOpinion: SC Auto Industry Is Rolling into the Future | Greenville OnlineBoeing South CarolinaWhy Aza Raskin Is Building AI to Talk to Animals | TimeDecoding Non-Human Communication with AI | Earth Species ProjectHow to Speak Whale: The Power and Wonder of Listening to Animals by Tom Mustill | AmazonAre We on the Verge of Chatting with Whales? | Hakai MagazineCould This Futuristic Vest Give Us a Sixth Sense? | Smithsonian MagazineI Feel Love: MDMA for Autism and Social Anxiety by Rachel Nuwer | Tim FerrissDog Tips and Training with Tim Ferriss | YouTubeWhat Is It Like to Be a Bat? by Thomas Nagel | The Philosophical ReviewChimps Have Own ‘Dialects’ But Can Learn Others | ABC ScienceCan Artificial Intelligence Really Help Us Talk to the Animals? | The GuardianKiller Whales Can Learn to “Speak Dolphin” | Discover MagazineHow Bunny the Dog Is Pushing Scientists’ Buttons | The VergeKoko the Gorilla’s Best Moments: From Sign Language to Meeting Mister Rogers | Inside EditionChiribiquete National Park: “The Maloca of the Jaguar” | UNESCO World Heritage CentreThe Persuasive Power of the Wolf Lady | The New YorkerMike Phillips — How to Save a Species | The Tim Ferriss Show #383How Can Animal Communicators NOT be Vegan? | Listen To Your HorseWhy Am I, An Animal Communicator, Not Vegetarian? | InnerSelf.comMultispecies Constitution Project | Berggruen InstituteLogic and Ontology | Stanford Encyclopedia of PhilosophyStrengthening Animal-Human Relationships as a Doorway to Indigenous Holistic Wellness | EcopsychologyIs This Monkey the Inspiration for Dr. Seuss’ Lorax? | ScienceThe Lorax by Dr. Seuss | AmazonThe Intelligent Plant | The New YorkerOpinion: The Lost Cultures of Whales | The New York TimesMan Was Made to Mourn: A Dirge by Robert Burns | Robert Burns CountryWorld’s Worst Genocides | Borgen MagazineHow the Fijians Cook and Eat “Long Pig” | Pilot (1882)We Already Have Human Clones: Identical Twins | Because Science20 Years after Dolly the Sheep’s Debut, Americans Remain Skeptical of Cloning | Pew Research CenterPublic Perspectives on Human Cloning | The Wellcome TrustOp-Ed: The Dangers of Cloning | Fung Institute for Engineering LeadershipGattaca | Prime VideoThey Went to a Renowned Fertility Doctor. He Secretly Impregnated Them with His Own Sperm | CBC DocumentariesH. Rept. 108-18 – Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2003 | Library of CongressUnderstanding the Risks of IVF Twins and Multiples | Fertility InstituteThe Distinctive ‘Habsburg Jaw’ Was Likely the Result of the Royal Family’s Inbreeding | Smithsonian MagazineInbred Family: The Whittakers | Soft White UnderbellyEugenics and Scientific Racism | National Human Genome Research CenterThe Matrix | Prime VideoSHOW NOTES[11:34] Defining “heresy.”[14:22] Josh’s heresy: We need to teach listening over talking.[32:48] Noah’s heresy: Constitutions are overrated.[55:01] Maggie’s heresy: American middle-class culture is ruining everything.[1:14:54] Tim’s heresy: We’re on the cusp of meaningfully communicating with animals.[1:35:23] Kevin’s heresy: Human cloning is OK. PEOPLE MENTIONEDAntoinette DelruelleThomas MoreJames MadisonBilly CrystalElon MuskJohann HariÉmile DurkheimDon DraperSilvio BerlusconiGiorgia MeloniDonald TrumpAza RaskinTom MustillDavid EaglemanRachel NuwerThomas NagelB.F. SkinnerBunnyKokoMichael PollanAlbert EinsteinUsain BoltHouse of Habsburg

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