October - Online Octocon!

Dining Out with the Gas Giants (Dining Out Around The Solar System, #3) by Clare O'Beara While this year’s Octocon was hybrid and I helped to staff the Croke Park, Dublin, venue, in keeping with my yearly habit, I am providing my notes from covering the previous year’s Con, which was held on line. All praise to the organisers for a fantastic event. As I was at times going between panels, I noted down more content from some than others.

1st October 2021
Optimism panel

Fábio Fernandes Fábio Fernandes, Francisco Verso, Paul Carroll, Kalin Nenov, S L Dove Cooper.
Orbit the Sun A Starshipwriter Story by Paul Carroll Solarpunk is focused on environmental solutions. Hopepunk is about building a community. Dystopian contains a hero – we currently have no hero. ‘Punk’ implies fighting the establishment.
“Right now sucks so I want to read about something better, and maybe if enough people get together we can improve our world.”
Courage Is the Price by S L Dove Cooper Out of time, climate change is a climate emergency. Cyberpunk and steampunk – the punk denotes doing your own thinking. Cons today are organised with methods and strategies which brought in people who would never have been able to attend otherwise.
Big industry is stuck on the dystopian and cyberpunk; hard to change. Novels of hopepunk in small press or not in English. Phases of transition of society shown.

2nd October
Early TV fantasy

Juliet E. McKenna Paul Anthony Shortt Edmond Barrett Juliet E. McKenna, Paul Anthony Shortt, Romeo van Straten, Karina Steffens, Edmond Barrett.
People who grew up looking at the early content decided what they liked, and are now making and remaking those shows. Chat discussed our own favourites and I liked Fantastic Voyage. I asked about the Fianna being filmed, reply, no great knowledge of stories so no market. I said, and no dragons in the Fianna.
Taking Sides Cynthia (prequel to Silent Oath, #2 in the Memory Wars) by Paul Anthony Shortt
The Warrior's Bond (The Tales of Einarinn, #4) by Juliet E. McKenna J McK asked for Pern. I said there had been several attempts to film it but publishers had a lot of control over licensed property. A fan said, from an earlier Octocon, Anne said film producers wanted to give dragons combable hair like My Little Pony so they would be playable toys, and it broke down.

Illustration
Oisin McGann Oisin McGann, James Brophy, Leeann Hamilton, Sarah Bevan.
Kitteenies by Leeann Hamilton Panellist said she was creating a logo for an energy company, and the man on the email left and his replacement said, “I didn’t engage you so I’m not paying you.” She replied, “Your company’s email engaged me and not your predecessor individually.” He said, “no need to get so snappy.” She: “your first mail said, ‘I’m not paying you for your work.’ And I see a manager ccd earlier in the mail string so let’s ask him what’s happening.” The manager asked for all work done to be delivered and she was paid for her time. Just a logo so she had not invested in it.
The Lord In The Lake In Limerick by Oisin McGann Viking Thunder in Dublin by Oisin McGann OMG – I know artists who never made it to a day job because they didn’t put themselves out there. Unless you are in animation where there is some employment, you have to have a degree of entrepreneurship.
SB– money in designing logos.
OMG – photos needed now on web, most just use stock photos not original images. On his third Mac since 2001. Last two lasted nearly ten years each. But with software upgrades they no longer work. Once you start subscribing to a software, the publishers start dragging you after the tech, deciding what you can use. He has left Photoshop.
JB - Uses PS rented but his PC with 16mg RAM had marginally too small a graphics card for the painting app.
SB - spotted Peter Donnelly graphics on a Dublin Bus, he also does Keoghs crisp packets, and book illustrations. Pat McIntyre did bus artwork in the 1990s. Most illustrators want to be in comics or books but have to go into design because that is where the money is. This steers your career. He wanted to draw dragons and spaceships but has drawn more toilets than dragons.
JB - An illustrator got hired to draw motorparts for boxes. That pays.

Defending the villain
Joseph Elliott-Coleman Peadar Ó Guilín Ruth Frances Long
Dan Abnett, Nik Vincent-Abnett, Joseph Elliott-Coleman, Peadar Ó Guilín, Ruth Frances Long.


JUDGES The Patriots by Joseph Elliott-Coleman DA - Warhammer universe – grimdark was coined to describe it. Gothically dark, grew from the 1980s deeply satirical place, everything is on fire all the time, even heroes are morally dubious. Dan has worked there for 40 years now, it is exhausting. Few out-and-out villains. Have to be interesting to sustain a narrative. Once the character is out, it’s out, the reader can see new aspects in it.
Dolores Umbridge in Harry Potter is a worse villain than Voldemort as readers could imagine her as a real person not a fantasy character.
The Invasion by Peadar Ó Guilín NVA -Villains are sometimes more fun to write but you can take great pleasure in killing off a villain.
Fantasy prior to LOTR – Gulliver’s Travels. Discoveries, other continents, travellers’ tales, dog-headed people etc. By the 1840s people had photos.

Horror
Kim Newman Maura McHugh Gabriela Houston
Kim Newman, Maura McHugh, Anthea West, Gareth Hourahan, Gabriela Houston.


Anno Dracula (Anno Dracula, #1) by Kim Newman Dead Travel Fast Stories by Kim Newman by Kim Newman

Primal fears of creatures, the dark, ghosts, being trapped. Globally there are many rituals with the purpose of settling the dead and keeping lingering spirits away from people. Ghosts being around people is generally recognised as a bad thing.
Twisted Fairy Tales 20 Classic Stories with a Dark and Dangerous Heart by Maura McHugh The Wind Child by Gabriela Houston Fate, Book 1 Land and Sea by Anthea West Anthea – horror is emotional, grief, lingering spirits not moving on means you can’t move on.



African SF
Tobi Ogundiran
Tobi Ogundiran, Yvette Lisa Ndlovu, Dilman Diva, Joseph Elliot-Coleman (a bookseller).


Africa Risen A New Era of Speculative Fiction by Sheree Renée Thomas The Year’s Best African Speculative Fiction (2021) by Oghenechovwe Donald Ekpeki Pre colonialism, all stories were just stories – no horror, literature etc.
People under 20 are very interested in other cultures.
Drinking from Graveyard Wells Stories by Yvette Lisa Ndlovu FIYAH Literary Magazine of Black Speculative Fiction, Issue 15, Summer 2020 by DaVaun Sanders Yvette told of great Zimbabwe ruins which are the second largest buildings after the Pyramids of Egypt. She writes trying to raise awareness of this. Black people can feel pushed to represent a group rather than write the story they want to write. Brought up in England – or in Africa – or in one tribe from Zimbabwe – you can’t represent everyone.

AI and consciousness
Ann Cory, Julian West, James Brophy, Pete Mullineaux.
Jules and Rom by Pete Mullineaux Vows of a Vampire by Ann Cory Serpent in Paradise by Julian West Gethsemane Revisited by James Brophy
Ann – at one time children were not considered to have a consciousness until they were older.


Coding nonhumans

Angeline Adams, Kat Dodd, S L Dove Cooper, Cherly Morgan, Faranae.
Murderbot says it has no interest in sex or gender. A cyborg. Neurodiversity and gender diverse – one character can’t represent all dimensions. Easier to make people stereotypes.
Dublin's Fierce City by Paul Carroll Courage Is the Price by S L Dove Cooper
CM - it’s bad representation, when the whole point of a character is to tick a box and represent a stereotype.
Farane – metaphor. The people of that world were all the same but ambassadors are different.
SL - The Machineries of Empire - she has dyscalculia and someone told her that was in the book – she didn’t believe them, had read it. She had to get the Kindle to find the word.
CM - Some very subtle hints are about trans people who have transitioned in books. Just a mention of hormones etc. You can hire sensitivity readers.
Paul - agreed. Make more diverse characters fill your story and then add aliens. Don’t have the alien just to represent the ‘other’.
AA - if you have several characters that means no one person has to be the be all and end all of representation.
KD - Assume good faith by the author. Well-intentioned. We don’t know where an author is coming from, new author with no track record, they might be queer or autistic and have a different experience than the reader who has that characteristic too. Autism presents differently in men and women.

Orbital Tidy Towns
Vanessa MacLaren-Wray
James Brophy, Declan Meenagh, Vanessa MacLaren-Wray, Mary Brigid Turner, James Shields, Dav Waldron, Russell A. Smith.
All That Was Asked by Vanessa MacLaren-Wray Parrish Blue by Vanessa MacLaren-Wray Gurdjieff Cosmic Secrets by Russell A. Smith Turning old satellites into greenhouses for tomatoes. Not a success, mercury issues.



As with last year, I will leave it at the end of Saturday’s talks and post the Sunday content next month. This includes panels discussing their experience of creativity during Covid lockdowns.

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Carolyn Wilhelm What a wonderful, comprehensive, and entertaining post!


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Clare O'Beara Thank you, Carolyn! You are describing the Con, I am just recording it. Glad to help.


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