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Beth-In-UK wrote: "A very interesting list! I think one excuse for Darcy not warning folk about Wickham is that he, not unreasonably, assumed that no one in Meryton was rich enough to tempt Wickam, so wasn't in dan..."
I more mean the tradesmen that Wickham ended up not paying and those same people's daughters who were seduced. We know that Wickham does more than try to elope with rich girls.
You have forgoten C Wentworth ( honourable mention ) 1. he flirts with Louesa even though he has no intentions 2. He is insulted when Ann doesm marry a peniless sailor which would have very foolish on her part to do so (remembeer Mrs Price..)
Mrs wrote: "You have forgoten C Wentworth ( honourable mention ) 1. he flirts with Louesa even though he has no intentions 2. He is insulted when Ann doesm marry a peniless sailor which would have very foolish..."Hmmmm, I'll consider it. He didn't really do it on purpose and it all worked out in the end. Hmmmm....
wasnt angry with Ann Not on Purpose? Didnt flirt with Lousa?? remember Elizabeths conversation with Mrs gardener (I cant quote exactly) about Mr Bingly that young men who just flirt and dont mean anything are not aceptable. and why are we so mad at Frank Churchill as he flirted with Emma without real intentions Just because it turns out well doest let these gentleman off the hook of ungentlmenly behavior (selfish men)
Mrs wrote: "wasnt angry with Ann Not on Purpose? Didnt flirt with Lousa?? remember Elizabeths conversation with Mrs gardener (I cant quote exactly) about Mr Bingly that young men who just flirt and dont mean a..."Yes, but when Wentworth realized that Louisa and get family were expecting a proposal he was fully prepared to honour that and propose. He took responsibility for his actions. But then he lucked out because she ended up with Benwick.
You Havent convinced me I think C wenworth a very self centered man and Ann deserved better but she never got out and stayed in love with him all those years (if she had gone to LOndon maybe would have smet superior men) but of course that is the story JA wrote. so who am I to argue with the creater?
Mrs wrote: "You Havent convinced me I think C wenworth a very self centered man and Ann deserved better but she never got out and stayed in love with him all those years (if she had gone to LOndon maybe would ..."You should read my crossover where Anne gets Darcy instead...
where do I find it? Ithink off hand they would make a good couple but then what happens to Elizabeth?
Mrs wrote: "where do I find it? Ithink off hand they would make a good couple but then what happens to Elizabeth?"Elizabeth gets Wentworth! It's free on my website but unfinished, I'm almost done the first draft. It's called One Week Late (bethanydellemanwriter. com)
"I more mean the tradesmen that Wickham ended up not paying and those same people's daughters who were seduced. We know that Wickham does more than try to elope with rich girls."Yes, very true. Though it's difficult to know just how the tradesmen might have been warned?? It's one of the most despicable aspects of that age, that tradesmen were so often simply not paid at all.
I agree that Wentworth was taken aback, and indeed, somewhat dismayed, to realise that 'everyone' was expecting him to propose to Lydia, after the attentions he'd paid her. But yes, he is prepared to step up to the mark and marry her, if necessary - he definitely got a lucky escape when she fell for Benwick instead. Phew! I do think we have to remember that Wentworth wil have spent a huge amount of his life at sea (most likely from a young teen, like William Price in Mansfield Park), and probably was not as socially clued up as a landsman would have been? Not many 'nice young girls' around when you are at sea?? So I think he is can be granted a bit of slack in going over the top with Louisa??
On the down side, we do realise, of course, that he is almost 'deliberately' flirting avidly with Louise simply in order to show Anne Eliot that (a) he's not pining for her and (b) what she stupidly turned down (ie, himself!). I think he might not have flirted with Louise so much had Anne Elliot not been around to see it??
Mrs B - you asked what 'bump up' means, and I don't think you got an answer??In the context, it means to 'bump up the list', as in, to put one character somewhat higher up the the list than where they were originally placed. It's quite a vernacular/colloquial usage I would say, quite informal.
Hope that clarifies!
Beth-In-UK wrote: ""I more mean the tradesmen that Wickham ended up not paying and those same people's daughters who were seduced. We know that Wickham does more than try to elope with rich girls."Yes, very true. T..."
Bingley was pretty popular, he could have done the warning. Or Darcy could have said something to Mr. Bennet, who is the principal landowner and must have some sway. They were completely unprepared for Wickham!
IIRC, Darcy tells Lizzy at the end that he didn't warn anyone about Wickham because he didn't want to 'taint' his sister at all. That was the double bind that a cad like WIckham could trade on, that his victims might not want to draw attention to themselves for the sake of their reputation.
Beth-In-UK wrote: "IIRC, Darcy tells Lizzy at the end that he didn't warn anyone about Wickham because he didn't want to 'taint' his sister at all. That was the double bind that a cad like WIckham could trade on, t..."
I find this kind of selfish because Georgiana and her pedigree and 30k dowry can survive a scandal. Lydia with nothing cannot. Someone is always going to marry the niece of an Earl!
I also think Darcy could have found a way to at least warn people about the debt creation without endangering Georgiana.
Yes, certainly he could have warned about the debts - I guess he also didn't want to associate himself with Wickham (ie, to know about his debts even), as well as associate his sister. As for Lydia, of course it's hard to feel sorry for her, or her parents, as they are all the architects of what came so close to being her destruction. Mind you, I suspect Lydia would have found a way to run off with Wickham even if she hadn't been in Brighton.
Lydia and Georgiana were the both the same age, 15, when Wickham nearly ruined them both - and the two girls couldn't have had more different upbringings (Georgiana so sheltered, Lydia so unsheltered) - yet both were fatally vulnerable.



I think one excuse for Darcy not warning folk about Wickham is that he, not unreasonably, assumed that no one in Meryton was rich enough to tempt Wickam, so wasn't in danger from him. His assumption was wrong, ie, Lydia, but it was fair enough maybe??
Also, to be fair, Lydia 'should' have been better protected by her parents, which of course she wasn't.