England v India: first Test, day five start delayed due to rain – live!
2.06pm BST
There might be more rain coming, as per the Met, but Ali Martin says the covers are being removed. So we might as well enjoy this wonderful moment, considering it may be all we get.
2.04pm BST
Re our baseball metaphor, Håkan Burden emails with a good bilingual one.
Swedish: Det duger inte att bara ställa skorna på plan, man måste göra jobbet också.
English: It’s not enough to put your shoes on the pitch, you need to make the effort as well.
2.00pm BST
Phil Sawyer writes in about the important subject of Bad Horse.
“Oh, Geoff, why did you have to post the Thoroughbred of Sin? Now I’m going through the full song list as I drag my hungover frame around Sawyer Towers doing chores. Incidentally, the company who supplied the bad Doctor’s goggles and gloves are very friendly and happy to ship a set across the pond, although it’ll cost you a fair whack. Erm, so a friend tells me...”
1.49pm BST
On our philosophical topic, a practical message comes in from Olly.
“I am writing this from a psychiatric hospital which is full of people with lots of mental health and addiction issues. The one piece of advice I’d give is to ask for help. Speak to your GP and they will provide you with multiple options, including the well known Samaritans but also probably some local help. Do not bottle it up and be ashamed, depression is an illness and can be treated with medication and counselling like many other illnesses. I know this is heavy for the OBO but we all need to be there for each other.”
1.46pm BST
It’s still raining. Emma John references my favourite part of Trent Bridge. “There are people actually waiting in the Hadlee waiting area. I have never seen that before. I always thought those three seats under the stairwell in the Radcliffe Road stand were an existential joke.”
1.44pm BST
“I’m an American who got interested in cricket because I like the words. I asked the other day what ‘pants’ are and got an answer. Told a baseball fan friend, and she wrote this:
Dennis Eckersley, a hall-of-famer who played for Boston and other teams and now does color commentary for the Red Sox has his own lingo, and his expression for somebody who strikes out looking, meaning they didn’t swing the bat at a third strike, is “a pair of shoes”. Meaning he just stood there. Unique expression to Eck. Sounds like it could transfer to Cricket...
1.32pm BST
More punchy Parisians, what is it with that city? Mike Gibb this time.
“So-called physicist David Holder is forgetting to take relativistic effects into account. As the ball will be travelling a small fraction of the speed of light, the ball will fore-shorten, rendering it more dense. A sensitive batsman will pick this up as a heavier ball.”
1.27pm BST
Onto matchmaking then, as I try to make people happy. This for Damian Clarke.
“After thirty-one years of monogamous devotion to my wife, I have never once even considered another human being with thoughts of possible dalliance (well, apart from Dr. Alice Roberts, and that is obviously forgiveable). But may I say that I am surprised to find that I may just be slightly in love with Robert Wilson.”
1.23pm BST
“Any philosophical advice to someone who’s depressed and doesn’t know what to do with her life?”
Well. Hello Aditi, thanks for giving me something to think about during the rain. That’s a good question, and a perennial one.
12.57pm BST
The Met Office prediction has now changed to a thunderstorm at 3pm (that’s bad) but clearing to 10% likelihood of precipitation after that. In Jim Carrey limo-driver style, I’m saying there’s a chance.
12.54pm BST
“How many overs do you think India would need to try and chase the score down?” asks Vincent Barreto with acuity. “Go into one-day mode and hope for 30 or so? Send in Pant and Jadeja to try and whack their way to the figure and if it doesn’t work out play for the draw?”
We’re not quite at that point yet, because the last session can go to at least 7pm with the delays, and once we’re into the last hour then 15 overs have to be bowled, so it might be possible to get something like 45 overs into a long third session.
12.45pm BST
Here’s another level. Robert Wilson has just emerged into the fray from Paris, fists swinging, proclaiming that it’s metaphysics or nothing.
“I’d like to riposte to sweetly irascible physicist, David Holder, who would like us to stop using the term ‘heavy ball’ for the deeply insufficient reason that there is no such thing. As a metaphysicist of no little repute may I suggest that this is the merest of mechanicalism. Of course there’s a heavy ball. Because that’s how it feels, morally and emotionally. And such things beat Newtonian laws of motion into a cocked hat. And that’s without dealing with the ‘accusing ball’, the ‘false hope leg-hop’, the ‘short-of-a-length sociopath’ or my favourite reverse swinger ‘the nameless sensation of guilt’. The matchless Shane Warne’s entire career of epic piffle and persiflage is proof that metaphysics steals physics’ lunch money every day of the week.”
12.42pm BST
Science Fight just reminded me of Dr Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog, for some reason. Bad Horse, Bad Horse.
12.39pm BST
Ah ha. Some rumblings in the lab. Here is Hugh Molloy.
“The physicist has neglected to take into account that the ball not only has linear velocity but also rotational velocity. Some bowlers such as Bumrah use a whippy flick of the wrist to apply back spin which will slow the ball off the pitch unlike someone like Flintoff who bowls from the shoulder with far less spin so is quicker off the pitch. Also, a spinning ball interacts with a surface differently because the spin reduces the contact time with the bat. Spinning balls skid off hard surfaces more, i.e. a bat, whereas a less spinning ball gives more of a thud, or heavy feeling.”
12.37pm BST
“Now pooling it down,” writes Ali, which is a bit of presumably Brum vernacular with which I’ve not had the pleasure of being acquainted. It makes sense.
12.32pm BST
“It’s been raining all day here in Sydney too,” writes Arthur Graves. Poor old Sydney, that’s all that it needs. “I reckon the slow over rate penalty would work if it was increased. Set the amount of overs per full day at a minimum (80). Then reduce runs got by the bowling team at five per over under that. If that doesn’t do the job, increase it to ten per over. At some point the reduction in runs will find a sweet-spot all on it’s own.”
I’d say it has to be runs added as extras rather than subtracted - we can’t make runs disappear that have actually been scored. But yes, that’s a method. Again, it can only work if the batting side’s avenues to waste time are closed first.
12.30pm BST
Ali Martin: “Bright sunshine has broken out ... for how long, we know not. The direction the wet stuff is coming from remains filled in.”
12.23pm BST
The mysterious TM has been reading. “This over-rate chat reminded me of a passage in Derek Pringle’s memoirs about quirks of the era and fines for players and counties for not achieving what would be 19.5 hours per hour. In one match against Middlesex they were well behind and so with the collusion of John Emburey who was pals with Graham Gooch they got the over-rate up to 48 an hour with Goochie completing an over in 18s. So, err, it can be done.”
Imagine, 19.5 an hour. The golden fingers of God shining down onto the fields of Kent or Worcestershire. A holy promised land.
12.16pm BST
Big news, the reverberations of which will be felt through the ages. My colleague Ali Martin has front row seats at the Bridge.
“The all-important lunch is being taken at 12:30, so nowt before 1.10pm. It’s a pretty bleak scene, covers on. They’ve not even started the mop-up during the little dry spells as they’ve known more is coming.”
12.11pm BST
David Holder is putting the foot down.
“Good morning to you from alternately sunny and very wet Warrington! Why don’t we have a minimum of 30 overs per session? The players would have to eat into their lunch and tea breaks; this would affect both the bowling side (who would want to rest their bowlers) and the batsmen (who would like to put their feet up too). If either side procrastinates they’d lose that time at the intervals. Also, as a physicist, please can people stop referring to bowlers bowling ‘a heavy ball’ when the batsmen suggest it hits the bat harder than they’d expect for the speed of the bowler. The only variable that will affect the force of the blow is its velocity... nothing else.”
12.07pm BST
The rain has just got harder at Trent Bridge.
12.07pm BST
What else to fill your time? I could direct you to a couple of long Final Word interviews that we did recently, which were special.
We spoke to Clare Connor in one episode, initially about the Hundred and what it was for, but then went very deep into her story, life, achievements.
11.59am BST
Speaking of the Olympics, if you have memories of Roy and HG from the Sydney games, I wrote this last week on a special book written by one of their creators.
Related: John Doyle on childhood, his new memoir and why Roy Slaven is his ‘mask of courage’
11.58am BST
While we’re waiting, you could also be keeping one eye on the last gasps of the Olympic blog, as I’ve been doing. Writing this thing was the single most difficult and interesting task I’ve had in this line of work: trying to cover up to 20 sports in a five-hour session, trying to watch four screens at once while checking results elsewhere, having to learn the rules of judo or sport climbing or whatever else while live on the keys, because however diligent you were there was no time to prepare for everything. Good times.
Related: Tokyo Olympics: Jason Kenny becomes most successful GB Olympian, closing ceremony to come – live!
11.45am BST
Onto other things, here’s Andrew Benton. “May we have your expert take on the Bangladesh T20 series victory? Wrapped up inside the minimum number of games, does this signal the beginning of a major decline for Australia, the start of a phenomenal rise for Bangladesh, or is it just a blip in the world of averages?”
Go on, then, I’ll bang on. I don’t think it tells us anything new. It just reminds us that Australia has mostly been pretty bad at T20 International cricket for some reason, and that Australia has been especially bad on slow spinners’ wickets for more obvious reasons. In the 2016 T20 World Cup, most of the pitches were similar and Australia struggled. Ditto in the UAE in 2018, and the Caribbean recently.
11.32am BST
Maybe the most uniformly annoying penalty for a bowling side would be that until they catch up the rate, the batters in the middle get to choose who bowls.
11.31am BST
@GeoffLemonSport re over rates, tickets are refunded really easily straight back onto the cards that bought them now. Would be super simple to refund 1/90th back to paying fans for every over lost. I also like the Hundred rule re fielding restrictions.
Yep, this does work pretty well in the white ball stuff. Not quite the same for red, though the earlier idea of taking one fielder off the field completely has its charms. There would still be times when that would hurt bowling teams less than others, like if the 10 and 11 were batting. But every penalty will be variable in its effect. A team defending 500 won’t care if they concede a few penalty runs, if it lets them optimise their wicket-taking potential.
11.28am BST
Kim Thonger’s suggestion: “I’ve thought for some time that the penalty for slow over rates should simply be restricted run ups, say 5 metres, until the bowling side gets back to the required rate.”
This would definitely be funny. And in this house, we respect the Liebke Equation that funny cricket > good cricket.
11.19am BST
“In answer to Phil Rutovitz, who seems to think India should reach 209,” writes Jen Oram, “start of Day 5 against NZ, India (only the third innings, not the last) have 64 for 2. Shortly thereafter Kyle Jamieson has them 72 for 4. They make 170. That’s without input from the weather, which seems to be disrupting India’s batting rather more than England’s.”
11.18am BST
Nathaniel Rogers takes his turn down memory lane.
“I remember getting back from a stag do on a Sunday morning in 2004, switching the telly on and being told Headingley were offering tickets at £10 to watch 80 remaining overs after lunch against New Zealand. So off I went with the lass and a couple of mates and got to watch Flintoff and Jones racing each other to 50 and then 100, with Jones getting his only Test century and Flintoff holing out on 96 ish trying to hit a six. Must have been 110 overs that day. Cant have finished till after 20:00.
11.15am BST
Right on cue, Emma says the rain has got heavier in Nottingham.
11.13am BST
“Why cant they have a running counter as to how far behind the over rate a team is (allowing for injuries etc) and at the top every hour, have them field with one man less for that period of time? Fines won’t work. Fines haven’t worked,” writes Shankar Mony.
Spot on. The penalty must be in play, and significant enough to draw a response. Fielding restrictions is one, run penalties another. But again, the batting side’s contribution has to be monitored and accounted for.
11.08am BST
“On the subject of slow over rates, why not penalise the offending bowler by giving him or her a yellow card that would mean being unable to bowl during the next, say, 20 overs or 90 minutes?” asks Darryl Accone.
Because it’s not really down to one bowler being too slow. At 30 overs a session, each over should take four minutes on average. Take out time for drinks and wickets falling and so on, and call that three and a half minutes. That doesn’t mean that every over must be three and a half minutes. I’ve timed Ravindra Jadeja bowling overs in 70 seconds, sometimes. Which means his fast bowlers can take longer. Even having a slow morning session with the quicks is alright if the spinners make it up later in the day. The thing is, nobody bothers making up the deficit now.
11.02am BST
Good English morning to John Starbuck.
“Hello there. If we genuinely need more recovery time for bowlers teams should be picked with at least six who are able to turn their arms over. It upsets our idea of a balanced side but look what happens when a real all-rounder is missing. Also, at least two of the bowlers should be spinners able to take on a longer workload, which is one reason why over-rates have been going down. Like a Tory dazzled by money, too many selectors are obsessed with speed. Speed costs time.”
10.51am BST
So the scheduled start time will not be met. Sorry.
10.50am BST
“Apparently my piece from yesterday has really pissed off the weather gods,” says my colleague Emma John from Nottingham.
Related: Clouds stay away from Trent Bridge on a day of balmy, barmy pleasures | Emma John
10.46am BST
“Surely only one job for Chris Silverwood this morning,” writes Peter Salmon. “Tell Stuart Broad he’s thinking of replacing him with Jack Leach at Lord’s.”
Rather, the key factor has been identified by Isabelle.
Stuart Broad since the onset of the pandemic...
• with headband: 33w for 519r @ 15.7
• without headband: 6w for 244r @ 40.7
The only statistics you need, tbh.#ENGvIND pic.twitter.com/zKn5Jb5aSK
10.42am BST
Andrew Goldie casts his mind back.
“I raced home from school in 1979 hoping for an exciting denouement to England v India at the Oval - it had been four pretty turgid days in a rain-affected series. Switched on he telly, the big Oval scoreboard focussed on 160. I felt flat. It was going to be a dull draw. Then it pans out. That was Gavaskar’s not out score. India, chasing 438, were on course for a win. The last hour of that match was possibly the most giddying watch I’ve ever seen, as all four results were possible, everyone was trying not to panic, only a controversial low catch at extra cover that did for Viswanath put the India win out of the picture, and it finished 429-8.”
10.40am BST
@GeoffLemonSport ok so I know that England has a theoretical chance of getting a draw or even winning, but how likely do you think it really is that India will not manage 157 with 9 wickets in hand and a full day to play?
Absolutely! Well, not the draw, unless it rains. Take rain out of the equation, there’s no way that India bats a day and doesn’t make 157. But it’s very possible, with many many precedents, to be bowled out for that sort of score on the final day of a Test. Just takes a wicket or two early and suddenly the whole side slides away.
10.38am BST
I’m being told by comrades at Trent Bridge that the outlook weather-wise is not good. The Met Office has the dark cloud icon coming in at bang on our start time, 11am. And the precipitation odds don’t drop below 30% all day.
10.31am BST
We do already use the early start in Australia and other places, though only when there are overs lost to weather and such, not when lost to teams just not bowling enough.
Some people try to cast slow over rates as the obsession of old fogeys, but as a relatively young fogey it’s still a problem. It’s easy to say that 8o or 90 overs a day doesn’t matter if the cricket is good. There’s logic to that. But at its base, you need to set a minimum amount of play for a match to be fair and a result to be likely.
10.23am BST
Can’t argue with any of this, Anand.
@GeoffLemonSport
Can't we make our glorious sport gloriouser by
1.Having a reserve day for all tests (board(s) pay all costs due to slow rates if we play on day 6)
2.Starting earlier(weather permitting)to make up for lost time
3.Shorter lunch, tea breaks on interrupted days#obo
10.00am BST
As ever, the lines are open via email or the birdphone. Just ring and ask for Geoff. I’ll take it in my room. Claudia, stop listening!
10.00am BST
Good morning, afternoon, or evening, and welcome to (whisper it gently) day five. That’s right, just say it to yourself. Find a quiet room in the house, stand in the furthest corner, and allow the self-satisfaction of sounding out the syllables. You can share it later, but this moment is just for you.
The fifth day. The finest treat of Test cricket. The thing that no other forms can offer. For four days we’ve veered between rain and sun, light and shade, frustration and absorption. We’ve been off, we’ve been on, and so has the game. Wrestling back and forth with some deep ranks of quality bowling and a couple of batting performances of admirable resistance.
So here we are: with nine Bumrah wickets and one Root century in the bank, ahead of the closing chapter. India at 52 for 1 need a further 157 runs to reach the 209 required for victory. They lost that wicket last night to some wicked Stuart Broad bowling - KL Rahul, the top-scorer from the first innings. Rohit Sharma and Cheteshawar Pujara are at the crease.
That Indian batting lineup looks imposing down to Pant and Jadeja but the engine room of Pujara, Kohli, Rahane struggled in the WTC final against New Zealand, and struggled again in the first innings here. India might be favourites to win, but that could very easily change.
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