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Rhi - too true. :)Lisa - Same here. Pretty much everybody has to budget in some way, and pretty much all authors hosts giveaways, so the chances to get the books for free are there. Also, they are often cheaper on ARe when they are having those big coupons going round. There are ways to stretch the dollar. :)
Very interesting, Aleks. Traditionally, I suppose the answer to not being able to afford to buy all the books you wanted to read was to use a library. At least latterly with PLR agreements (where they exist) there was some renumeration for authors in this situation.
Historically speaking writers have come from privileged classes for a reason though. I'm not really aware of any history of "patronage" with fiction... unless of course you count an arrangement like James Joyce and Sylvia Beach.Personally I don't think eliminating novelist as a valid profession is really such a bad idea. I'm really sick of reading books put out by people who are just trying to be "literary" and "profound", who have no unique perspective because they spent the bulk of their education training to be a writer. Similarly I'm sick of romance writers (or YA writers by the same token) who spend so little time world building and researching because the whole point is to crank as much new stuff out as possible.
So if the upshot of piracy is that very few writers will be able to make a living writing ... all the better I think. They won't stop being writers, the urge is too addictive. They'll just go out and get jobs in unrelated fields, travel, meet strange characters and ultimately instead of producing 5 meaningless formulaic books a year will produce 1 really interesting story every couple of years.
At which point I and many other readers will gladly pay full price for it ;)
Isa wrote: "Historically speaking writers have come from privileged classes for a reason though. I'm not really aware of any history of "patronage" with fiction... unless of course you count an arrangement lik..."I hope this was written totally tongue in cheek.
If not, I think it is a fallacy to think you will get better books to read by driving all but a few writers to pursue the vocation in their spare time, without the benefit of professional editing and the wherewithal to take the time to do it well. I know the days I do my best work are not the days I come home drained from my real life job. No author strives to produce a meaningless formulaic book, although some of us fall into that trap, and very few m/m romance writers at least are currently supporting themselves purely on their writing anyway. You won't get 1 really interesting story every couple of years. You'll get 1 equally good or bad story as is being written now, less often. You won't drive up overall quality, just drive down quantity of both good and bad. And some of the best may never be released, because while the urge to write is addictive, the need to edit and polish and share it with readers is not. Especially if you expect to see it immediately stolen and widely distributed.
Kaje wrote: "If not, I think it is a fallacy to think you will get better books to read by driving all but a few writers to pursue the vocation in their spare time, without the benefit of professional editing and the wherewithal to take the time to do it well."That's not at all what I was saying. Encouraging writers to look beyond WRITING for a career and a living is not the same thing as throwing out the entire system that polishes writing for quality and
cultivates talent.
Isa wrote: "Historically speaking writers have come from privileged classes for a reason though. I'm not really aware of any history of "patronage" with fiction... unless of course you count an arrangement lik..."I had my book stolen. Not pirated. Offered for sale by someone else with them collecting royalities on my behalf. So considerate of them for saving me the trouble of reaping the benefits (read here peanuts) of my hard work.
Let's think... what if you worked really hard at the office, putting in all the hours to clear the backlog, help your customers. You're feeling really good about hitting your targets, have piles of thank you letters from happy customers... along comes payday and some other fucker has claimed your paycheque. All the commision from your sales - gone. All the leads for next months contracts - taken by someone else. That little extra that was going to pay for a holiday/new laptop/kids shoes has been given away to those who don't even appreciate the work you've put in because they think you should get a REAL job and stop fannying around cluttering up the place.
I'll stop there. Take a deep breath and return to my own little slice of fannying around.
I like that - I'm going to use it in my next book.
Edited to take out the ranty bits - after a period of deep breathing :D
Isa - Interesting points. I think there are many issues that play into this. I do agree that a writer being exposed to the "real world" and "having lived a life" makes for very interesting books.
Personally, and I can only speak for myself, the fact that my personal life's been "interesting" (fuck-up of a family, colourful people around me, and a RL career, let alone all the big identity crises I've had so far) has definitely enriched my writing.
But I don't think there's a direct correlation. There *might* be a direct correlation of doing a hundred full-sized novels a month for five years, and things end up sounding/reading same-ish. I know what my physical, mental, emotional limits are, and they come out at around three novels a year, which puts me well beyond most print authors and roughly mid-field in the m/m genre. And if I'm not inspired and it's not happening, it's not happening.
The main thing my day job does (apart from leaving me only 2-3 hrs a day to write) is to relieve the anxiety what I'm going to pay my mortgage from, and it also structures my day, so I'm really making those 2-3 hrs count. These still go at the expense of a social life or simply relaxing, or even my partner (who, thankfully, is very self-sufficient).
However, the fact that my books are being pirated everywhere has a direct impact on my sales. And I read comments from pirates like "I love Voinov's books so much, can you upload everything after "Scorpion"?"
So, regardless of quality, pirates pirate everything. And price doesn't seem to matter. "Special Forces" is free and is widely pirated.
Isa wrote: "Historically speaking writers have come from privileged classes for a reason though. I'm not really aware of any history of "patronage" with fiction... unless of course you count an arrangement lik..."It also needs to be said that quality of the product has no correlation to whether it's ok to steal it.
One is taste, the other is theft.
Casey wrote: "I had my book stolen. Not pirated. Offered for sale by someone else with them collecting royalities on my behalf. So considerate of them for saving me the trouble of reaping the benefits (read here peanuts) of my hard work."Casey, I'm familiar with your situation through my GR feed and I was really shocked and horrified to hear about it. I wasn't going to take this conversation any further but I wanted to respond to you specifically.
Piracy is stealing. Stealing is wrong; it is ALWAYS ALWAYS WRONG. Please do not read my comments as a defense of stealing. That was not what I was saying. I was merely responding to Aleksandr's argument that if writers can no longer make a living doing what they do they would have to rely on patrons and literature would be ~DOOMED~ (forgive me Aleksandr I'm being melodramatic here ^_~)
The crux of my argument was:
1) Professional novelist is a relatively new construct. Novelists have always tended to be people of means precisely because it is difficult to make a living as a writer. This is not a NEW thing. This is not something that piracy has created. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LIVING AS A WRITER. Patrons have never gotten involved in this process and we do not suffer for rich literature because of it.
2) In my opinion, writers can only benefit from new experiences and perspectives. Having a career is a part of that, and perhaps not being able to devote your attention full time to writing is a good thing. I think when writers devote all their studies and professional development to writing what they produce is generally crap. I know a lot of us are writers here and that many people will object to that statement ... it's just my opinion ^_^;;;;
So ... once again: I was not trying to defend piracy. I was merely questioning the logic behind arguing that piracy is wrong because it makes it harder for writers to be professional writers and that because it's harder good works will not be written (or not published if written). PIRACY IS WRONG BECAUSE IT IS STEALING, isn't that enough of an argument?



And, if it really comes down to it, I guess I could sell an image that would turn the eye better than a cup of coffee, a bit of dark chocolate, and a peek of longhand.
But "hot" has more to do with literary imagery and less to do with photography. Thankfully!