Rob Bell is ‘Here,’ and he’s happier and more hopeful than ever…

I’m a fan of Rob Bell.

Always have been.

His new book, How To Be Here, might be my favorite book that’s he’s written. I loved Love Wins and Velvet Elvis, but How To Be Here is practical hope that I have been able to apply to my everyday life–specifically how I think about myself and what I believe to be true about me.

Because I’m a fan, I was thrilled that he agreed to join Ben and me on this week’s episode of That God Show…

Amid our interview, Ben asked Rob this question: Rob, what do you say to the people who just aren’t sure what they believe anymore?

The first thing that happens when the rug gets pulled out is people are most acutely aware of what they no longer believe or think… They say, “I don’t know what I believe anymore” but that’s not actually true, because the reason why you are walking away from that previous framework is because it didn’t work…

We do not move to later stages of consciousness without loss, pain, suffering, or some–usually cross-cultural–experience where our previous categories and labels no longer work. Generally in times of stress, loss, pain, or when we’re confronted with some new experience that doesn’t fit our previous categories, we will either dig in our heels and entrench, or we will break through to greater expansiveness, freedom, complexity, or inclusion… So to the person who’s like, “Oh man, I’m just taking the whole thing apart, nothing works like it used to, up is not down, right is not left… that’s the only way that growth happens. And so, celebrate it! Because it means the old is going and the new is coming.

So, the first thing I would say is it’s not entirely true that you have no idea what you believe anymore. It just happens that in this moment you are acutely aware of some things you no longer believe, but the only reason you don’t believe them is because there’s something better that is pushing them out… This is how people grow— it’s totally normal, and you should celebrate it.

Whether you’re a fan of Rob or not, our conversation might interest/surprise you.

Here’s the interview.

And please, subscribe to That God Show…

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