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Nov 16, 2011 08:53AM
What Kate Mc. said! :-)
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Thanks Kate, for calling me to order :)Apologies everyone. My tongue has been reigned in and I promise to behave *blush
Hugs all round.
Sorry for pouncing on you Monica - a classic example of fingers typing before brain engages.
What is wrong with calling for apologies? What is wrong with using this as a teachable moment so we can understand in a calm fashion what bothered people so we can try and be more cognizant of what we say to each other? You made some specific statements and I wanted to address them so we could move on. If you don't address the elephant in the room, does it mean the elephant isn't still there?
There are people still making negative comments about our group and our Mods on other blogs and in other threads. As a member I feel I have a right to speak up and a duty to do my small part to try and find common ground.
I currently teach as an adjunct professor at a community college in MA. One of the classes I teach is a Learning Community Seminar called "Who Are We? Cultural Traditions and Identity to freshman. Bunker Hill Community College is one of the most diverse community colleges in the country. My class has students from all over. We have had some intense discussions in my class on the subject of how we identify ourselves. Some of my students have used terms that I find horribly offensive, while it is normal terminology to them. Only through discussion can we learn more about others and find the thread that binds us.
Do I want to move on and let this drop? Yes. But I don't want to move on when there is still so much anger and hurt out there.
I feel I have a right to respectfully disagree with anyone in our group if I choose to do so. I also feel I have a right to defend this group and our Mods if I want to do so and I do.
Where would readers be without authors and where would authors be without readers? I tell you what, if it wasn't for this group I would not have known about 3/4 of the authors here and their work. There's been tons of good press authors have received from our group and that should be acknowledged. It's the basis for the group so why would the Mods or anyone else be anti authors? It doesn't make sense to me.
I love that I actually get to talk to authors, like you. That is so awesome I can't even put it into words. The fact that you guys talk back to us and be friend us is beyond wonderful. And your time to write free stories and give your hard work away as giveaways, PRICELESS!. But we have to address how you felt attacked or threatened so it will not happen again. We have to address why I feel the bashing is now coming from those that felt attacked so we can isolate the problem and work to solve it.
People can leave the group and have the right to do so. I don't think it will cause this group to stop and it might be their loss. Maybe not, if it makes them feel whole again. With all the passion and intelligence this group has, can't we discuss and create some new measures that will prevent this from happening in the future?
I think the point being made Monica is that this ISN'T a thread IN that group - this is Alek's blog. We can go discuss the group and all the issues that face said group IN the group as much as we want. :)
Alek did not make the Hitler reference. I was responding to a post by Adrian. He did not call anyone Hitler either but made reference to him which offended one of our German members.And that is part of the challenge of being a moderator. Trying to read EVERY SINGLE WORD of every single post and deciding what is offensive. How offensive is it? Is it just offensive to me? Do I base my decision on how many people I think something offends? Is just one person enough or is there some magical formula, like maybe 35% find it offensive?
How about this. How about those of you that feel I allow people to get bullied, read every single post and pm me when you find something that offends you. You can be the group police since the mods are doing such a sucky job of it. I'll start deleting posts right and left because we sure don't ever want to ever offend anyone. We won't allow anyone to link to books anymore because there may be a review that is negative and offends you. We won't allow anyone to post links to anti-gay articles in the Political section because that might be construed as condoning the sentiments of those articles. What else to we want to censor? How about the pictures posted? Some of those offend me so I'll delete them. How far do we take it? How sanitized do you want the group to be?
I would like to invite all of the trans* authors to join our group. Promote your books, educate the members, speak out when you read something offensive. Or don't. Go away, keep quiet and let the other voices be louder than yours. Your choice.
ETA: I will apologize for anything I personally said that was offensive. I'm learning and I want to learn. But if I don't know what's offensive then I can't keep from repeating the same mistakes.
Casey wrote: "I think the point being made Monica is that this ISN'T a thread IN that group - this is Alek's blog. We can go discuss the group and all the issues that face said group IN the group as much as we w..."Yes, I agree, Casey. This discussion needs to be in that group, NOT on Aleks's blog.
Monica, you said: "I feel I have a right to respectfully disagree with anyone in our group if I choose to do so. I also feel I have a right to defend this group and our Mods if I want to do so and I do."
To tell you the truth, this statement makes me feel profoundly uncomfortabe. The whole situation exists because people think they have 'rights'. Can we please turn that around?
I'd like us to say "I have a duty to listen. I have a duty to give people the benefit of the doubt. I have the duty to apologize if I see that someone is hurt by what I said. And, once that apology has been accepted, I have a duty to find out what it was I said that hurt them. Then I apologize again and shut the f*ck up and do some thinking before I come back and 'defend' myself."
Hence, Kate Mc.'s idea about a safe space WITHIN the m/m group makes a LOT of sense.
Hi Casey et al, I just read all of the comments after I posted mine. I get that this has now evolved into something that should be moved to the group at large. It started here because I was commenting on how I was hurt and disappointed by some of the things Alex said in his post. That's how it got going over here. I was addressing comments that he made on his page and on his blog. Others chimed in and I answered those as well.
Serena wrote: "I'd like us to say "I have a duty to listen. I have a duty to give people the benefit of the doubt. I have the duty to apologize if I see that someone is hurt by what I said. And, once that apology has been accepted, I have a duty to find out what it was I said that hurt them. Then I apologize again and shut the f*ck up and do some thinking before I come back and 'defend' myself.""Hence forth added to my list of 'codes to live by' that I will consciously work towards :)
Thanks Serana - it's beautifully put.
Casey wrote: "Monica wrote: "Freedom of speech isn't only convenient or right when its something we agree with. That right does extend to comments we don't like as well. At least as far as the US Constitution st..."Casey,
I would like to address this somewhere, I'm just not sure where. Your response to me is exactly part of the problem. You interpreted something I said out of context and it turned into a negative to you when that was far from my intention.
When I addressed the freedom of speech it was in response to others saying don't give me that freedom of speech line. I mentioned that it was in the US Constitution only to acknowledge that not everyone even follows that doctrine because its a statement Americans bandy about. I know this is an international forum, that's what so cool about this group. But because of our differences sometimes common phrases to some can be interpreted differently. I have a law degree, from the US which is different from other countries, but we even interpret the same law differently. It happens. I meant no harm and if you were offended by my comment I apologize.
I agree that this isn't the place for this discussion so I won't post anymore, even to correct factual errors. I did want to make sure that I set the record straight that Aleks did not make the Hitler reference though. That was an honest mistake by Monica but I would never want that to be attributed to him.I do apologize for hijacking this thread.
Moderatrix Lori wrote: "I agree that this isn't the place for this discussion so I won't post anymore, even to correct factual errors. I did want to make sure that I set the record straight that Aleks did not make the Hi..."Thank you Lori. I didn't want to think that he said those comments. I wish him success and want Riptide to do well and for all of us to get back to a good place.
You know I am technologically challenged. So can you help me create a new thread for these discussions and/or move my comments to the new thread? Thanks.
Monica wrote: "You know I am technologically challenged. So can you help me create a new thread for these discussions and/or move my comments to the new thread? Thanks..."I'll pm you Monica.
Moderatrix Lori wrote: "Monica wrote: "You know I am technologically challenged. So can you help me create a new thread for these discussions and/or move my comments to the new thread? Thanks..."I'll pm you Monica."
Thanks.
Monica wrote: "Casey,I would like to address this somewhere, I'm just not sure where. Your response to me is exactly part of the problem. You interpreted something I said out of context and it turned into a negative to you when that was far from my intention."
Which is likely one reason why Kate called me on it. I didn't see it as a negative, by the way, or offensive. I was just experessing an observation but those too can be misinterpreted.
I'm happy for you to PM me - it's an interesting discussion in the right setting. :)
Serena wrote: "Casey wrote: "I think the point being made Monica is that this ISN'T a thread IN that group - this is Alek's blog. We can go discuss the group and all the issues that face said group IN the group a..."Hi Serena, let me start by saying how nice it is to talk to you even though the circumstances aren't the best. I am a big fan of your books, follow your reviews and appreciate your thoughtful comments. Geez, that sounded like I'm an author stalker, lol.
I think you highlighted one of the issues when you asked me to consider not using the term "rights" in my comments. I certainly understand your eloquent argument and it makes sense. However, that phrase or terminology is ingrained in my DNA. I spent three years of law school having that word come apart of my daily vocabulary and even more time fighting for social justice for various causes dear to me. So I think and feel that word and use it freely in discussing/defending or analyzing various positions/statements/discussions and arguments. For whatever reason I think the words we use define who we are and I would never want someone to stop being who they are.
That said, words are very powerful and can be used for good and bad. So in some instances we need to take a look at the word or words we choose to use. No one understands that better than authors who use words to elicit reactions from their readers.
Often time we can mean the same thing but use a different word or the wrong word to get our point across. Sometimes it has to do with cultural, language, or socio-economic issues as to why we use certain words.
I totally agree with the duty. In US law we analyze whether someone has a duty to act all the time in determining liability, etc. Often times one doesn't have a legal duty to act, but has a moral duty to act. I can agree to use the term duty more often and follow your sound suggestions.
I would ask that since you have good standing on both sides, that maybe you can step up even more than you already have and try to get everyone to do just what you suggested to me. That being to follow your statement of: "I'd like us to say "I have a duty to listen. I have a duty to give people the benefit of the doubt. I have the duty to apologize if I see that someone is hurt by what I said. And, once that apology has been accepted, I have a duty to find out what it was I said that hurt them. Then I apologize again and shut the f*ck up and do some thinking before I come back and 'defend' myself."
I hope I have not offended or overstepped my place by making this suggestion to you since that is not my intention. I just feel that some of the comments that were posted her by those that have been so horribly wronged are getting out of control as well.
I hope you find places that you can feel safe, Morg. I hope we can build them for you too. I'm sure Monica and Lori feel the same way.
A lot of it is listening, education and understanding. Your laying it all out like this helps oblivious cis gendered people like me understand a whole lot better. If people like you don't speak up, then I can only guess at what I'm doing wrong. So thanks for the help. :)
A lot of it is listening, education and understanding. Your laying it all out like this helps oblivious cis gendered people like me understand a whole lot better. If people like you don't speak up, then I can only guess at what I'm doing wrong. So thanks for the help. :)
I'm more than ready to talk about the issues - drawing from many experiences, and always with the caveat that I might be wrong. I'm also happy to discuss ways to help our wider reader/writer community overcome the rifts. I'm talking to a number of bloggers about this, and we are looking at various venues - the M/M Romance group did come up, but it was cautioned (nbot just from me), that it needs to become a safe space for trans/queer people first - that includes writers and readers.
Aleksandr wrote: "I'm more than ready to talk about the issues - drawing from many experiences, and always with the caveat that I might be wrong. I'm also happy to discuss ways to help our wider reader/writer commun..."YES! Please guide us on how we can make it so. This is the first thing I talk about with my college students the first day of class that my classroom has to be a safe haven for everyone to learn so no making fun of anyone and we have to be as respectful as possible to learn and grow.
Lori just started a new thread as I asked called healing the rift. Please post there with some suggestions. I will totally back that.
I consider myself to be a very smart and open person. However, I am just learning about the trans community and until all the issues I had no idea that I needed to use the pronoun of the person as they saw their self. I hope that makes sense.
Morg and your voice is needed so mistakes can be avoided and we can truly live up to what are group is supposed to be about. Please Alexs, please?
Morg, I am sorry that a group that I am a member of made any other member feel it wasn't safe to be there or to freely be who they are. I have a duty to help make sure that never ever happens again or I can't be the person that I think I am. My apologies. If you can see fit, can you come the the healing the Rift thread and help me accomplish this?I'll have to ask Lori or someone to post the link here because I don't know how to do it.
Aleksandr wrote: "I can do that - I'm definitely ready to do that part of my job. What's the link?"I'll get it to you.
I support you in whatever you do! Your writing is wonderful and you shouldn't have to explain yourself to anyone. It is no one's business but your own and I am shocked to hear how nasty and entitled so many people are. You have all of my support and love coming your way. You are very strong and will get through it in the way that is right for you. *BIG Hugs*
Monica wrote: "Hi Serena, let me start by saying how nice it is to talk to you even though the circumstances aren't the best. I am a big fan of your books, follow your reviews and appreciate your thoughtful comments. Geez, that sounded like I'm an author stalker, lol...."Hi Monica, thank you for your kind words. Stalker (LOL) or not, it is always goood to talk. I do not want to steal Aleks's blog further, but am happy to help out - if need be in the new thread. If everyone agrees.
You said: I hope I have not offended or overstepped my place by making this suggestion to you since that is not my intention. I just feel that some of the comments that were posted her by those that have been so horribly wronged are getting out of control as well.
You have not offended me with your suggestion. And while I agree that everyone has to be careful not to 'hurt others back', at this point in time, I believe the 'hurt' party probably has more of a need for open ears. We need explainations, and Aleks has already agreed to help with that. If he wants me to assist, I'd be happy to step up a little more.
As for 'rights' versus 'duties': I have trouble with legal language, I admit that. It is quite often very technical, and what I would hope we can do is use a lot of common sense, and even more empathy in this upcoming discussion. A former boss of mine used to say: "You have ONE mouth and TWO ears. Use them accordingly." :-)
I understand that it may take you a while to un"ingrain" the terminology you are used to, but I think it would help.
You also said: Often time we can mean the same thing but use a different word or the wrong word to get our point across. Sometimes it has to do with cultural, language, or socio-economic issues as to why we use certain words.
Yes, that is also very true. And since we are a global group and come from many walks of life and cultures, and not all of us are native English speakers, this is even more true. We'll have to rely on finding the common 'human' language in all of us if we want to connect.
Thank you for making an effort, I will certainly give it my alll (if Aleks and others want me there).
Here's the link http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/7...I invite anyone who would like to be a part of this discussion to please join. Let me know if things are getting to intense because honestly, I'm not an expert on what everyone may find offensive.
Thank you so much Aleks for agreeing to be part of the discussion.
I really, really want us to be a family again.
Yes, please Serena, you'd be awesome and extremely helpful. The more people help the better, and the less it becomes the Voinov Show.
Aleksandr wrote: "Yes, please Serena, you'd be awesome and extremely helpful. The more people help the better, and the less it becomes the Voinov Show."Okay, sure. :-)
Thank you Aleks for sharing your thoughts and insights to your life, trans* life and the recent events. I cannot say I'm not surprised, because you really "passed". Not that I ever thought much about your personal life. Why would I - I'm not your personal friend (even though I'd like to be), but I do care deeply about your writing and I truly hope and believe that you will return to MM romance (totally selfish lucky gay bastard that I am). As far as I'm concerned, you do have bigger balls and a bigger dick than a huge amount of born and bred males - can't speak for all, but certainly bigger than mine. As for the begging of any bodies acceptance or explaining your life to someone it doesn't concern - no need to ever go down that road. Not now, not ever. But does the world need a shining light to be an example of good? - Yes it desperately needs one, probably many, but it is totally up to you to decide if you want to be that person.
Take care Aleks and keep on writing, because there lies your true passion and your gift.
Thank you, Boycop. Yeah, I ruined a perfectly good "passing", damn it. :) No, I'm OK with that now. It had to be done, and I'm glad I could express something that many other Ts and Qs in the alphabet soup are going through and went through in a way that non-T/Qs can empathize with. I think it's a watershed moment for us all - this opens the door for more discussion and tolerance and understanding. I'm all for that. And I want to go back to writing once the dust settles and my Muse shows up again. Poor thing is all aflutter. :)
Thank you.
@Mod Lori...1)You said : "I started the "Is He or Is She" thread in 2009, over two years ago. I was fairly new to the genre and was really surprised to lean that most of the very popular authors I was reading were female."
Two years ago is irrelevant. You had a specific reason to 'reactivate' the thread at this particular time. And it wasn't just there at MM but at the YA group.
2) Yes, spew out the word HITLER and my comment about it to have people get the wrong idea and have reflex negative thoughts about my comment. Maybe you should post what I said.
I said I understand Hitler's intent, and it doesn't make me a Nazi. I suppose all the people who UNDERSTOOD the man's madness and REALIZED what he was up to with his ideology and fought against were in the wrong right? Real cheap tactic.
But then I didn't really expect much from you. Like I said I respect the stuff people at MM do for (part of) community but wish it would be extended to all of it. And not money-wise, but things like, you know - Respect. R...E...S...P...E...C...T...Ooh! Just a little bit! Just a little biiiiiiiiit!
Monica wrote: "Adrian wrote: "@Monica: I don't think he was referring to everyone there in general. I think it was just as he said. The lynch mob over there, specifically them. I agree that most there are nice, t..."Well then by that logic I suppose we the LGBT community should not bother to raise our voices in protest when others say what they wish about us. It is freedom of speech after all. People often feel freedom of speech means they can say whatever they feel like. It's not so much what you say as HOW you say it.
PS - Note I didn't urge anyone to leave MM. I wouldn't want to infringe on anyone's freedom. I left because of my own reasons and state again MOST PEOPLE THERE ARE NICE WELL-ADJUSTED PEOPLE. It's just the few...
Adrian, please, please, I'll do anything, you ask I'll do it. Do you want me wash your car? I'll do it. Do you want me to to sing you a song every morning? I'll do it. In chinese? well..I can try. You dont speak chinese, right? You'll never know what I'm saying.
But please, they are all talkning now, and everything looks so shiny and sparky, and look! Ther's a little fox there, and a fluffy bunny here, and we are all trying to understand, and Lori is trying to understand, please...no more anger.
You know, I can cook, too, you just ask!
:)
Adrian wrote: "Monica wrote: "Adrian wrote: "@Monica: I don't think he was referring to everyone there in general. I think it was just as he said. The lynch mob over there, specifically them. I agree that most th..."Adrian, we are moving on to the healing part. Why don't you come join us if you can on the link Lori posted on this blog. It is getting better and I would appreciate your voice over there to help with the healing. It time. However, if you are not there yet I understand. Maybe you can go read the posts and see the hard work that is being done and don't wallow over here in the negative.
Hi Aleks,I'm in tears after reading your post. I've been heartbroken throughout all this nightmare, watching the devastation it has caused, not only to my friends, but to everyone. That includes those making the vile comments, because they will pay dearly for them. I've lost a lot of respect for people that, before all this, I had put my faith in, knowing that because of their attitudes, I will no longer be able to appreciate their work. I feel as if I've lost friends in this nasty process.
I am in awe of you and your amazing post; it cuts through the negativity so succinctly and eloquently. The bottom line is everyone should be allowed to be whatever their perception of self is and no one should ever be arrogant or judgmental enough to think they know better. Thank you!
Lena wrote: "Hi Aleks,I'm in tears after reading your post. I've been heartbroken throughout all this nightmare, watching the devastation it has caused, not only to my friends, but to everyone. That includes ..."
Lena, I encourage you to check out the link on this page and see the hard work that's being done to heal this rift.
It takes a village.
I've seen it and am amazed at the courage of those involved. Even though I am a straight, married, white, female, I am also an Empath, meaning that I literally feel what other people feel and I've struggled with being 'different' all my life. This whole situation has affected me deeply especially because many of the people involved in this drama, i.e., Serena, AJ, DJ, Bryl, and DC are much more to me than passing acquaintances. They are my friends and when something hurts them, it hurts me. I intend to do whatever I can to "see that all the hard work that's being done to heal this rift"actually does so.
Lena wrote: "I've seen it and am amazed at the courage of those involved. Even though I am a straight, married, white, female, I am also an Empath, meaning that I literally feel what other people feel and I've ..."HUGZ, Lena. Well, I might come off as a heartless SOB at times. But truth be told I'm not. Must be my Pisces moon.
One of my favorite fictional Trans characters. Kamatari from Rurouni Kenshin! Fanvid, nice song and I guess - show of solidarity! :)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyP2NT...
Kaje, I agree 145%. Of course, being a writer I do feel the need to add my 1 cent.
It never, ever occurred to me that what was being said would be construed as an attack on trans* people in general. I realize now that was incredibly naive of me but, like Aleksandr I assumed the m/m community was a safe enough, accepting enough place that it never occurred to me that could or would happen. Any comments I made (I think there were two - I tend to fly fairly under the radar) were directed at a specific person and a specific action. Again, in *not* considering that those comments might be insensitive, I was hurtfully naive, and for that I apologize.
I'm especially regretful in light of a recent conversation I had at work - a young man I like and respect quite a lot made an unforgivable comment about gays in general, and I blasted him with both barrels. I told him, and I believe, hate is hate, no matter in which direction it is aimed.
My intention was never to spread hate - to express anger and disappointment, not at an individual protecting their identity, but because of specific actions that were less about "deception" and more about general unkind behavior. My great fear (and one reason I rarely post) is that I'll lower myself to become a bully in my own right. The idea sickens me.
So, again, for anything I said that felt like an attack, or condemnation of the trans* community, I am sincerely sorry. There's no way for me to erase that blow to the solar-plexus, but I will police myself much more closely in the future.
Adrian wrote: "Lena wrote: "I've seen it and am amazed at the courage of those involved. Even though I am a straight, married, white, female, I am also an Empath, meaning that I literally feel what other people f..."You've never come across that way to me, Adrian. BTW, I'm a Scorpio with my moon in Pisces and Taurus as an ascendant. Talk about a mixed bag, LOL
Lena - Thank you. I think that sums it up. I've lost a huge amount of respect, too, but I'm working to reclaim it and teach at least those who want to be taught and have an open mind. And I believe that's the majority, actually. Ignorance is the real enemy - there are few genuine haters out there. And - thank you for your contribution (I'm on the empathic spectrum as well - I'm an INFJ, which, boy, makes it almost impossible to shutter my emotions).Adrian - Pisces moon, too? Jeeez, that one dissolves my hard-headed Taurus every time. :)
VJ - I know, which makes the whole situation even more vile. In short, even a trans* man can be an utter wretch. I've blogged about the AJ issue here, from a trans perspective:
http://aleksandrvoinov.blogspot.com/2...
Which explains a little, I hope. And I believe trans* and queer writers were basically collateral damage of a situation that spiralled out of control. I don't believe anybody aimed at pressuring all trans and queer writers into despair or giving up their identities. Or that that pressure came from an extremely tiny minority that was both ignorant and transphobic.
Monica wrote: "Lena wrote: "Hi Aleks,I'm in tears after reading your post. I've been heartbroken throughout all this nightmare, watching the devastation it has caused, not only to my friends, but to everyone. T..."
Monica, I've been thinking about this for over an hour, wondering if I should speak up or will it incite things further. I fully believe Aleks can give more eloquent answer, but at the spirit of free speech, let me say some things that might help you see it from other side.
Consider this... We accidentally offend people on daily basis, sometimes for things we think as mundane as Halloween costume. So, when a minority speaks up and says they've been wronged by the majority, the first instinct of a compassionate person is to think "what I have done wrong and if I do, what can I do to make it right?" It is NOT to demand retraction or apology from the person nor to defend their position or what they have said that has caused the hurt. Over & over again, I saw people justifying the situation by saying "I see nothing that can be construed as attack", as if it is the trans* people's fault for being overly sensitive.
Trans* people are just people, when they get hurt, they need time to cool down, but you keep hounding them to "heal the rift" as you say, on their own blogs, sending them messages, etc. When they come around it should be on their own term, when they feel safe and welcomed, not because you or someone else demand it of them. People have been wondering what in the infamous thread that had caused such anger among trans* member of the community, but the truth is, the anger has been long building, and not just within the trans* issue.
Some people might wonder why some people react so strongly to the community & the mods. Like Aleks have revealed and some news I have heard, the issue goes beyond what was said within that thread. Some people, some mods, also privately send messages that makes trans* people feel threatened, uncomfortable, and sad. I don't know how anyone can justify that and ask other people to heal the rift or so to speak, without first offering sincerest apology. I'm in awe of VJ Summers and his or her apology. I hope that when I make mistakes (I will, one day, I'm just a human after all), I can offer apology as sincere & eloquent as that.
Edina wrote: "On a light note, in order to fight ignorance and encourage authors in our community to write about trans romance heroes, I would like to recommend to those..."Thank you, Edina! I have tried to look up something other than m/m or straight romance, but didn't know where to look! Wanted to try some lesbian (although I have no sexual interest in women) and trans* stories for the sole purpose to learn what problems they face and anything else these books could teach me that I'm sure I haven't even thought to think of. Thank you again for pointing to this book :)
Aleks - you have made me a braver person. :) Thank you.
@Cleon - thank you so much <3@Edina - thank *you* for sharing!
@Aija - I know there are a couple "nap sized dreams" at Dreamspinner by GR Richards (Vintage Toys for Lucky Boys and Junk) that have a trans* hero. I haven't read them myself, but I've heard good things...
VJ wrote: "I know there are a couple "nap sized dreams" at Dreamspinner by GR Richards (Vintage Toys for Lucky Boys and Junk) that have a trans* hero. I haven't read them myself, but I've heard good things... "I have read both of them, and totally loved them!
Others I have liked are:
Going Under
Garnet: A Season In Hell
Lola Dances
Ones still in my TBR pile:
Ashera's Curse
If I Were a Lady...
Circle of Change
Transgender Erotica: Trans Figures (Southern Tier Editions)
Best Transgender Erotica
Family Ties
Filth
Inside Out
Hawk's Landing
Edina wrote: "Hi, Aleks. You are a brave man, period. On a light note, in order to fight ignorance and encourage authors in our community to write about trans romance heroes, I would like to recommend to those..."
Edina - I think you know this but i'm still going to say it... you're awesome! :-) Thanks for sharing the free online romance and your PDF + Kindle versions here! I'll get to it as soon as i finish my current reads.




