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Banana wrote: "I LOVE HEYER. This is a wonderful breakdown and you've made great observations. My only question is, will the epic, effeminate, well-dressed, brave and very gay adventures of Francis Cheviot come a..."What are u talking about? I purchased the ebk version of The Reluctant Widow in Jan. 2013. And I’m sure that wasn’t the earliest date it was available. The paperback was passed down to me from my mother, OTOH.
You can’t (or shouldn’t) find Georgette Heyer on AO3 bc it’s not like FanFiction. It’s copywrited material from an author like a half century ago. Actually, closer to an actual century.
But if you can write material like that, PLEASE DO SO. I would read it for free (big of me) or pay money, like I do w KJ Charles. Regency romance, when written well, is wondrous to read!
Well, that worked. You took a favorite Heyer Bk (tho I never could quite put my finger on why) and turned the Bk upside down. To an extent. Enough to get me thinking, yadda, yadda, yadda, and then I purchased Band Sinister. (Altho, to be fair, that would the 10th Bk of yours I bought, so it’s not “earthshaking” & you didn’t turn around a person who might otherwise have never bought the Bk a’tall.) Still and all, I had this vague notion in my head that I might wait for the Bk until it was on sale, that sort of thing. But I ALWAYS appreciate a conversation or forum wherein someone speaks about a topic with which I am quite familiar (I.e., must have read ALL of Georgette Heyer’s BKs at least 20-30 times, except for the war one, the name of which has slipped out of my head, which was both depressing and included huge accounts of the battles I didn’t wish to read. Or that’s how I remember it.)
But, having taken two of my top favs of hers (literally, The Unknown Ajax has generally stayed at #1 and Cotillion around 2 or 3.) And The Reluctant Widow was generally in the top five or so. Please tell me what I missed in The Black Sheep, Frederica, The Grand Sophy, & These Old Shades. [And that doesn’t include The Quiet Gentleman, The Masqueraders, The Foundling, &... I just can’t stop?!]
Or you can name (or I will) a different (not quite as good- depending on personal opinion ) Regency Romance writer, and then you can critique any or all BKs I name. Bc I will own them (at least as paperbacks) and most likely will have read whomever is named.
Like a challenge. If you get stuck on your next book. That sort of thing.
Pamela wrote: "Well, that worked. You took a favorite Heyer Bk (tho I never could quite put my finger on why) and turned the Bk upside down. To an extent. Enough to get me thinking, yadda, yadda, yadda, and the..."
I was thinking about the authors from when I was younger. Altho you can certainly name newer authors. In my teens and as a young adult, there wasn’t really any gay romance or gay erotica (of which I was aware). I guess you could look at ACD Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christie’s Hercule Poirot (albeit, mystery writers) as seemingly inclusive of extremely close male friendship or “friends” and/or “roommates” as I am thinking gay men might have referred to themselves before the gay movement really took off and people weren’t thrown by the topic.
For example, my nephew is 9 and he has grown up just knowing there are different kinds of lifestyles, dif. kinds of people. Even w Pence in office, he will grow up not thinking there is any difference bet. gay, straight, bi, etc. (except the obvious) - he won’t think any lifestyle is “lesser” or the people don’t deserve the exact same rights as everybody else.
People think that bc there are still places where discrimination hasn’t been abolished that no real progress has been made, but I think GREAT progress has been made.
Pamela wrote: "You can’t (or shouldn’t) find Georgette Heyer on AO3 bc it’s not like FanFiction. It’s copywrited material from an author like a half century ago."What I meant was, I'd love to read a retelling of The Reluctant Widow, but this time focused on Francis Cheviot, his life, loves, adventures, and tragic family. This would definitely fall into the category of transformative works, and, if Heyer's source hasn't been permitted to slip into public domain, the transformative work would most definitely belong on AO3.
Banana wrote: "I'd love to read a retelling of The Reluctant Widow, but this time focused on Francis Cheviot, his life, loves, adventures, and tragic family."I'd love to write it but it won't be public domain for another two decades, sigh.
Banana wrote: "Pamela wrote: "You can’t (or shouldn’t) find Georgette Heyer on AO3 bc it’s not like FanFiction. It’s copywrited material from an author like a half century ago."What I meant was, I'd love to rea..."
Sorry. Totally misread and misunderstood. 🤪
That WOULD have been a really interesting take on the topic. The character was generally three-dimensional and some of his comments were really chilling (a la see above “I was obliged to point out to him...” and his (apparent) true sadness about having to murder his good friend in cold blood).
I do really apologize for the misunderstanding but isn’t it nice to know that there are other people (beyond family) who love these books and characters as much as you? That is to say, I know it on an intellectual level, since Georgette Heyer is such a popular writer, but I rarely have a one on one convo w somebody re her BKs or, at least, beyond the mere fact that they are THE BKs to read for Regency Romance and “here are some of my favorites”... 🧐😏
Agree. Conversations about good books are something I sorely miss in my daily life. I know virtually nobody in person that reads the same things I do. Thank goodness for the internet.
I love Heyer so much! Even when she's writing the wrong story, it's still enjoyable. Francis is such a memorable character! I don't think it was a problem writing a book about him... after all, she took her villain from her first book and made him over as one of the more unusual heroes of a romance (and which no doubt created one of the most amazing tropes ever!)--and put him in a fantastic sequel, too. (I adore her Georgians more than her Regencies. She loved putting men in high heels, lace, and powder and patch! Gawd, it was lovely!!!)
I’m a complete sucker for a devastatingly clever man swathed in glorious foppish plumage! Could read it over and over!
There are very few Heyer BKs that I don’t particularly like, or reread on a regular basis. Admittedly, I seem to like the men who follow Beau Brummell’s lead on how to dress, but that was partially placed into my head by Heyer herself. For example, that wasn’t the case with Freddie in Cotillion or in These Old Shades. The Duke of Avon used the trinkets that one might think were too effete to specifically and pointedly mock others. And Heyer herself actually included points in her BKs wherein the people in the household (I.e., the footman in Frederica) to speak to the enormous consequence and palpable excitement it gave them to just watch as a nobleman pulled off a particularly difficult neckcloth arrangement.
It isn’t so much whether or not the man in her Bk is considered part of the “dandy” set; it’s more the specific individual characteristics given to each person that makes you enjoy their overall look and personality. If the “hero” of the Bk is quite happy taking 45 minutes to an hour to get dressed (on a good day) then you are likely to just follow along with that mindset. It’s only when the specific hero of the novel disparages such apparel that it might make other characters who use it possibly seem weak. (I.e., The Grand Sophy)
To quote banana: “I’m a complete sucker for a devastatingly clever man swathed in glorious foppish plumage!” But, TBH, he does have to be devastatingly clever. (This doesn’t apply to whether I like men dressed to the nines — this just means I’m a sucker for devastatingly clever men.)
Must go read about last night’s election results!!



Hell, maybe I need to attempt to write it, if I want to read it so badly.