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Oh, also it might have been nice if I acknowledged that I have no quarrel with your main point, as I understand it, that sexual crimes need to stop being a short hand for characterization.
Thanks, Stephanie, for your comments! I don't know much about Octavian, and I have no quarrel if a writer wants to treat him negatively, especially in a novel told through Cleopatra Selene's eyes. With Cleopatra's Moon, though, I just found him to be too much of a stage villain for my taste. That was a disappointment to me because Antony, in the little we saw of him, was a fairly well-rounded character, and I was hoping that the rest of the novel would continue at that level.
Susan wrote: "With Cleopatra's Moon, though, I just found him to be too much of a stage villain for my taste."Not having read the book, that I can't comment on that, but you make a really interesting point above regarding the George Boleyn portrayal in "The Tudors." As a reader, I appreciate characterization that shows people to be more than the sum total of their worst behavior, but as a writer, I'm acutely aware of the large swath of readers out there who do not want any such nuance. Readers who assume that a depiction of a dark act is an endorsement of it--especially if the author doesn't throw judgmental cues into the text. That awareness makes me feel as if I'm trying to walk a very narrow line.
Sadly, some authors need to rewrite history in their mind for "entertainment's" sake. In today's world sex sells and most people believe what they read. In reality, the truth behind the history is interesting enough. Too bad these characters are long gone and can't defend themselves. I like integrity in my historical fiction authors, which is why I can fully indulge myself in your novels and Elizabeth Chadwick's and not have to stop and fact check as I go along.
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement that the truth behind the history is interesting enough. As a reader, I vastly prefer it when an HF author does not embellish thier story with conjecture. I realise that the historical novelist will be 'fleshing out' the characters. That is what I think most of us read HF for. It's interesting to see how different authors interpret the thoughts,character & actions of historical figures. In addition to these embellishments with no basis in fact, it also bothers me when a main character is INVENTED & stuck into the center of things, to tell the story from thier point of view. I don't even want to READ books with a fictional main character anymore. It is much more interesting to read a novel about people who WERE actually present during the events covered in the book. This is just the opinion of one fan, but if all I wanted was to read 'stories' SET IN THE PAST,I could read historical romance novels, but what I want from HF is to read about HISTORY, with the added elements of dialogue & the viewpoints of people who were actually there. Once again, (for emphasis,) the truth behind the history is interesting enough.



Octavian juxtaposed himself against Cleopatra as an upright moral Roman--something that apparently sent Antony into fits of apoplexy and prompted him to send an ill-advised note to Octavian calling him out on it. We know--at least as well as anyone can know anything about this period--that Octavian was a philanderer. We know too that he admitted to using women to spy on his enemies. We are even told of an episode where he hauled off another man's wife to the bedchamber during a social gathering and returned her with reddened ears. The woman in question was, according to her biographer, probably Livia. Yet, if she consented to this action, she would have been socially ruined, so the strong implication is that this was a less than consensual encounter. (Though the whole notion of whether or not meaningful consent could be given by women at this time is another discussion.)
Then we have Suetonius, who tells us that Augustus is rumored to have scoured the city for virgins to deflower and had his wife help him do so. Is it true? Who knows. Is it legitimate fodder for a historical novelist? I believe so.
Whether or not Augustus had a twisted sexuality is especially relevant to any fiction surrounding his life because, in many ways, he would dictate the appropriate sexuality for women for the next two-thousand years. His enemy, Cleopatra, became defined almost entirely by her sexuality because of his propaganda. Consequently, for an author to suss out his character by way of imagining his deviance seems entirely legitimate to me.
What do you think?