You Get What You Pay For

I happened upon a three star Amazon review for "The French Have a Word for It" wherein the reviewer stated:
I know it only cost $1.49, but it's only 631 locations (translation for the rest of us: 8,362 words -- or 20 pages) there are free sample downloads that length. So while Lanyon is a skilled writer, this is really just a snippet and I'm not going to buy anymore stories this length because they are too short to satisfy me. Colin is a young artist, Thomas is significantly older and used to be his body guard, and they bump into each other in Paris...
There is nothing wrong with the writing or the ideas here, it's just too short to build any meaning for me.
Now, not everyone loves short stories. I do get that. But where did the idea that all short fiction should be free come from?
You don't get this attitude from those readers still buying print books. But maybe that's because they're under the (false) impression that the bulk of a book's price has to do with the physical end product?
I have to admit that review -- those comments -- floored me. Are a lot of ebook readers this far out of touch with publishing reality? Are they honestly this spoiled? Or is it simply that because so many readers in this genre come from a fan fiction background where all the stories are free, they don't grasp the fact that writing is a skill and a trade like any other, and the practitioners of that trade need to earn a living?
If skilled writers can't earn a living, then you won't have skilled writers penning your stories. You'll have fiction from people who have trouble giving their stuff away. Oh yes! On another Amazon forum they're debating that very thing. Debating whether Amazon ought to charge authors upload fees (one person suggested $500 - 1000. ) as means of weeding out all the dreck that is currently showing up at low, low prices and apparently making it too hard to find good stories.
Yeesh.
Come to think of it, maybe the bigger concern here is we might have a generation growing up that can't tell the difference between a snippet and a short story. There is a difference. It has to do with plot and point. I think most readers get that, right? Please tell me this woman is the exception and not the rule of our new book buying paradigm because there are writers who specialize in short fiction. They make a living at short fiction. The short story is a perfectly valid art form, and while print markets for individual stories are dwindling, the market for anthologies is growing. Magazines like Alfred Hitchcock and Ellery Queen still pay around 5 - 8 cents a word.
I happen to love writing short stories, but not so much that I would write them for free.
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Published on September 10, 2011 14:11
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message 51: by Lori K (new)

Lori K That'd be awesome. :)


message 52: by Paris (new)

Paris Tracy wrote: "I.LOVE.THAT.SEEN!!!!!"

Lori K, make it 2 T-shirts then :-))) One for me and one for Tracy.


message 53: by Lori K (new)

Lori K I'm taking orders? You can mail your checks to...

;)


message 54: by Paris (new)

Paris Edina wrote: "Add my name to the list, Lori! I can already see a line of T-shirts with different quotes! I vote for Jake's confession : "love? Of course I love you. Baby, I fucking worship you". That would make my day. "

Oh, this one is sweet, too. I remember that scene all too well :-)


message 55: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lombard I would TOTALLY take one with Jake's confession! I soo enjoyed rereading that last weekend! Just made me smile so big...

You know, Josh, if you can get an awesome graphic designer you can open up a zazzle.com store or even a cafepress.com store. Those are basically "print on demand" and gosh, we could have sneakers too, one with Jake's pic, one with Adrien... or mugs... buttons! I would LOVE a button with Jake's confession. Perfect.

As far as writing shorts for free, I was actually surprised when I learned that there are authors who do that. For example when I learned that JCP has shorts for Psycop on her site, I was shocked. Now that I'm getting closer to publishing, I can see that it's a great idea for marketing, especially for someone just starting out. But I wouldn't expect everyone to offer their work for free. Everything you've said already, the hard work that goes into it, the fact that it's helping the author make a living... that plays a huge factor. I would totally pay for a short story, as long as I know it's by an author I like. Hell, if you offered French for $12 I would have bought it for $12, because I know you're a good writer, and I haven't been disapointed yet. Of course, if it were that much, I'd probably put it on the back burner until I could afford it, but I probably wouldn't bat an eye too much. Heck it seems like most M/M print books start around $16, and I love my print, so it wouldn't surprise me. And I'm certainly not saying you're charging too little either. I'm thinking $3 is perfect for something the length of French.

I think I might be the only one in the world who hates charging tiny amounts to my card. When I bought my first official ebooks a few weeks ago, I was kind of upset that I couldn't lump two books into the same purchase, at least just those two, if not along with the print books I was also buying at the time. It would have made my check book balancing that much easier. (I hate dealing with numbers like that. lol.)

I have to say, that forum that suggests authors should pay $500+ to publish scares the crap out of me. How does being a good writer mean you have money? We're not all Dean Koontzs here. You have to start somewhere, and often times that means starting with no money. I can't believe anyone would suggest such a thing. To me, that would be all my time and energy wasted, especially if the story didn't sell well. I'd like to take those people and make them write a story and see how that changes their minds. I'm afraid to ask where that forum is on Amazon, but at the same time I'm curious to check it out, and yell at them. Are there any writers in that group? I doubt it. They need a dose of reality.


message 56: by Lori S. (new)

Lori S. Paying to publish, isn't that what vanity presses are for? P.N. Elrod is constantly railing against this sort of thing - the idea is to get paid for your work not pay to get printed.

I think a major strength of the short story is that it is easier to read in ebook format than a full length novel. It may explain the rise in popularity. From personal experience shorter stories are easier to take in electronic format than say something like a Brockmann novel (300 pages +).

I'm more than happy to pay $1.99-3.99 for shorter stories and more for the longer ones. The freebies are cool bonuses and a great way to get a taste of a particular author's style.


message 57: by Jordan (new)

Jordan Lombard Lori, you bring up a valid point about vanity presses, which reminds me of a RL friend's crit group members. I'm not in the group and don't know the people, but I've heard the stories. These two guys wrote such terrible books and refused to listen to what their crit group members were telling them to do. As an example that to this day, makes me laugh, one of them wrote a het sex scene and refered to certain fluids as "love juices".

One, probably the same guy, even said "Oh, my editor will do that for me!" when it came to the editing the group told him he needed to do. And what did these two guys end up doing? They both went to vanity presses and published their books. The one I saw cost $21! And I've read some of it. Made me want to gag.

So, making people pay to get their work in print is already putting out bad writing. It won't give you good writing, only those people who are desperate and who think people will pay that much for their first book, with a bad cover and bad writing, will pay that money. I think you've got to be stuck up and full of yourself, putting yourself on a pedestal, to do that.


message 58: by Kristin (new)

Kristin First, my understanding of what constitutes what in publishing lengths:

Novel: 40,000+ words
Novella: 17,500 - 39,999 words
Novelette: 7,500 - 17,499 words
Short: 7,500 words or less

A writer should get paid for their work. Period.

But what I struggle with is paying $7.99 for a novel (e-book or paperback) AND $7.99 for a short. It kinda bites the book budget right in the knickers.

And perhaps it wouldn't bother me so much, but the proof reading quality I'm seeing in the e-books of all lengths is horrendous. Obvious typos, grammatical errors, so forth. I'll be the first to admit my grammer and spelling suck, so when *I'm* cringing it's bad. If I'm paying $7.99 I darn well want things spelled right!

I just came back from a scifi convention in Reno, where this same discussion was the topic of one panel. Nothing resolved there either, but the opinon was voiced that those who do publish e-books need to realize that people do want a quality product whether it's on paper or digital.

And, still using the Scifi genre as comparison, a 12 month subscription to Azimov's magazine, which is a collection of Novellas, Novelettes and Shorts is $34.97 a year, or roughtly $2.91 per issue, and each issue usually has about, oh, 8 stories in it (roughtly). So, again, why the $7.99 price tag on so many of these digital novellas/novelettes/shorts? I would *think* it would be more cost effective to charge a bit less? Economy of scale and all that?

I suspect as e-books continue to grow in popularity many of these issues will get ironed out. But in the meantime, it kinda sucks for everyone.

Josh, you stated: There are a lot more authors than there are speaking engagements and frankly I doubt if even my most devoted readers are dying for a JL T-shirt. ;-)

I would buy a T-shirt or bag if it had the photo from Come Unto These Yellow Sands on it. (((heart sigh)))
:)


message 59: by Murphy (new)

Murphy I don't think there is any set price for creativity. Inorder to have wonderful stories, the author must be paid!


message 60: by Josh (new)

Josh Lori K wrote: "No, I've already decided Kari can design it. Didn't she do a cover for you? It could totally rock."

LC did a cover for me -- In a Dark Wood -- and in fact I've hired her to do some more for me. I like her work a lot.

Even if I'm not quite ready for T-shirts. ;-D


message 61: by Josh (new)

Josh Emanuela ~plastic duck~ wrote: "I want "Jake is the hottest thing ever" on my t-shirt..."

LOL


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