About Those Spinoffs...

So while I was on the road out California way, the story broke about the four GAME OF THRONES spinoffs that HBO is developing. And of course the news has since spread everywhere, all over the web and all over the world.

Yes, it's true. More or less. Though, as is all too common these days, various distortions and misapprehensions have crept into some of the reports along the way. And television being the fast-moving business that it is, there have already been some further developments.

For what it's worth, I don't especially like the term "spinoff," and I don't think it really applies to these new projects. What we're talking about are new stories set in the "secondary universe" (to borrow Tolkien's term) of Westeros and the world beyond, the world I created for A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE. It is a world, and a pretty big one, and if there were eight million stories in the naked city back in the 50s, just think how many more there are in an entire world, and one with thousands of years of recorded history.

None of these new shows will be 'spinning off' from GOT in the traditional sense. We are not talking Joey or AfterMASH or even Frazier or Lou Grant , where characters from one show continue on to another. So all of you who were hoping for the further adventures of Hot Pie are doomed to disappointment. Every one of the concepts under discussion is a prequel, rather than a sequel. Some may not even be set on Westeros. Rather than 'spinoff' or 'prequel,' however, I prefer the term 'successor show.' That's what I've been calling them.

Yes, I am involved, and have been for months. I had my first meeting with HBO about the possibility of a successor show back in August, when I pitched them two possible series. (One of those is among the concepts being developed, one is not). In the months that followed, other writers were brought in and pitched other ideas. Ultimately HBO decided to go ahead with four separate developments, to be written by Max Borenstein, Jane Goldman, Brian Helgeland, and Carly Wray.

It was stated in some of the reports that I am working with two of the four writers. That's not quite right. I've actually been working with all four of the writers. Every one of the four has visited me here in Santa Fe, some of them more than once, and we've spent days together discussing their ideas, the history of Westeros and the world beyond, and sundry details found only in The World of Ice & Fire and The Lands of Ice & Fire ... when we weren't drinking margaritas and eating chile rellenos and visiting Meow Wolf. They are all amazing talents, and I am excited to be working with them. In between visits, I've been in touch with them by phone, text, and email, and I expect there will be a lot more back-and-forth as we move forward.

And there's more. We had four scripts in development when I arrived in LA last week, but by the time I left we had five. We have added a fifth writer to the original four. No, I will not reveal the name here. HBO announced the names of the first four, and will no doubt announce the fifth as well, once his deal has closed. He's a really terrific addition, however, a great guy and a fine writer, and aside from me and maybe Elio and Linda, I don't know anyone who knows and loves Westeros as well as he does.

Some of the reports of these developments seem to suggest that HBO might be adding four successor shows to the schedule to replace GAME OF THRONES. Decades of experience in television and film have taught me that nothing is ever really certain... but I do think it's very unlikely that we'll be getting four (or five) series. At least not immediately. What we do have here is an order for four -- now five -- pilot scripts . How many pilots will be filmed, and how many series might come out of that, remains to be seen. (If we do get five series on the air, I might have to change my name to Dick Direwolf).

The one goal that EVERYONE involved shares here is to make these new shows just as good as GAME OF THRONES itself. No easy task, mind you. David Benioff and Dan Weiss are a tough, tough act to follow, as all those Emmys demonstrate.

I can't tell you what the shows will be about (well, I could, but I won't), but I will tell you a couple of things they WON'T be. Which will disappoint some of you, sure, but better to do that now than later, I think.

We're not doing Dunk & Egg. Eventually, sure, I'd love that, and so would many of you. But I've only written and published three novellas to date, and there are at least seven or eight or ten more I want to write. We all know how slow I am, and how fast a television show can move. I don't want to repeat what happened with GAME OF THRONES itself, where the show gets ahead of the books. When the day comes that I've finished telling all my tales of Dunk & Egg, then we'll do a tv show about them... but that day is still a long ways off.

We're not doing Robert's Rebellion either. I know thousands of you want that, I know there's a petition... but by the time I finish writing A SONG OF ICE & FIRE, you will know every important thing that happened in Robert's Rebellion. There would be no surprises or revelations left in such a show, just the acting out of conflicts whose resolutions you already know. That's not a story I want to tell just now; it would feel too much like a twice-told tale.

More than that, I will not say. Feel free to makes your guesses, if you like... but I am not going to be confirming or denying anything, so don't expect replies.

And yes, before someone asks, I AM STILL WORKING ON WINDS OF WINTER and will continue working on it until it's done. I will confess, I do wish I could clone myself, or find a way to squeeze more hours into the day, or a way to go without sleep. But this is what it is, so I keep on juggling. WINDS OF WINTER, five successor shows, FIRE AND BLOOD (that's the GRRMarillion, remember?), four new Wild Cards books, some things I can't tell you about yet... it's a good thing I love my work.
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Published on May 14, 2017 17:01
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message 1: by Thomas (new)

Thomas Sounds great :) But how in the world are you going to find the time for all that?

I thought, I was busy, but you're stressing me out now!


message 2: by Nico (new)

Nico I'm very nearly at the point of not caring anymore. I might not even reads Winds... I'm finally giving the TV series a second chance, and honestly, when you get accustomed to the cast, it's not so bad.


message 3: by NandoNando (new)

NandoNando Now I understand everything! Thank you!


message 4: by Erinn (new)

Erinn H I am still hoping for something related to Aegon's Conquest!


message 5: by Tiegan (new)

Tiegan Totally feel that needing more hours in a day.. or the debate for giving up sleep.. best of luck in all your work! Can't wait to see what's yet to come =)


message 6: by Eddy (new)

Eddy Klein Keep on keeping on Ser George!


message 7: by Circe (last edited May 15, 2017 07:39PM) (new)

Circe Di Lazio I just want to say I love you, your creativity and your love for what you do. Thank you George, endless thank you for one of the most amazing and beautiful worlds ever created. I am not going to ask or beg for Winds of Winter, I know better than that. I realise, as a poor newbie writer myself, that building a proper story takes time, imagine something as amazing as asoiaf! I will wait, no regrets. I am sure it will be worth it 💖


message 8: by James (last edited May 15, 2017 10:55PM) (new)

James I think you should narrow your attention to the main series George. You're not getting any younger (no offence). It would be a tragedy if you passed away before you finished the 6th and 7th books.


message 9: by Nikola (new)

Nikola James wrote: "I think you should narrow your attention to the main series George. You're not getting any younger (no offence). It would be a tragedy if you passed away before you finished the 6th and 7th books."

Well, its also possible for someone else to finish the series, like Sanderson finishing Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time. Maybe Patrick Rothfuss would be a good fit if he could finish his own series.


message 10: by Roltaire (last edited May 16, 2017 06:17PM) (new)

Roltaire Nikola wrote: "James wrote: "I think you should narrow your attention to the main series George. You're not getting any younger (no offence). It would be a tragedy if you passed away before you finished the 6th a..."

Oh dear, not Rothfuss! Spare us! He will die just the same as George before he finished off ASOIAF! Heck, he might not even finish Kingkiller.


message 11: by [deleted user] (new)

Thomas wrote: "Sounds great :) But how in the world are you going to find the time for all that?

I thought, I was busy, but you're stressing me out now!"


Yeah that last paragraph set my cortisol skyrocketing I imagine... /shudder


message 12: by James (new)

James Nikola wrote: "James wrote: "I think you should narrow your attention to the main series George. You're not getting any younger (no offence). It would be a tragedy if you passed away before you finished the 6th a..."

I'm sure I read somewhere that he said he wouldn't allow anyone else to finish the series. So if he dies then goodbye ASOIAF.


message 13: by Gustavo (new)

Gustavo Martins If people wishing you well really works, you are going to live forever to finish writing the Winds of Winter.


message 14: by Nikola (new)

Nikola James wrote: "Nikola wrote: "James wrote: "I think you should narrow your attention to the main series George. You're not getting any younger (no offence). It would be a tragedy if you passed away before you fin..."

Let's cross our fingers and hope that he'll live as long as he needs to finish the series then :)


message 15: by Nikki (new)

Nikki Anderson What do we say to the God of Death...? Not today.
George don't let the compulsion of consumers and their demands taint the characters you've created and their destiny.
Hagglers words are wind, but the World of Ice and Fire will live forever.


message 16: by Darlene (new)

Darlene Seriously guys, all of us Song of Ice and Fire fans are waiting for Winds of Winter and Dreams of Spring. But, we don't all bitch about it all the time. He writes more than one series, his writing speed hasn't changed that much (its gotten slightly faster), has a life outside his jobs (as do all of us or we wouldn't have time to read his books or complain about GRRM online), he already knows we're waiting and is working on it, his life doesn't revolve around our demands nor does he owe us anything, GRRM doesn't even monitor/read/post to Goodreads so you're basically complaining to fans and some guy that copies blog posts here, the he's gonna die before finishing is just tacky/rude, and its all getting old. Just stop. Please.


message 17: by KP (new)

KP Could the new series be about The Dance Of The Dragons (you know, that Targaryen Civil War) or maybe about the Blackfyre Rebellion...? I wish we could have gotten the Rhaegar Lyanna story though.
Also GRRM, please finish the Song Of Ice And Fire series and then juggle with all that other stuff.


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