(Torture Scene) Too disturbing? Request for comment.

I have a torture scene in chapter five of A traitor's War. Initial feedback suggests that it is a "bit disturbing".

I would welcome some feedback on this. The violence in the scene is well contexted to the story, and the genre is Urban Fantasy/Techno-Thriller.

Is the scene over the top? About right? Could be more full on?

Is the scene a reading turn-off, if you read this scene, would you stop reading the book?

Thanks in advance.

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The Red Empire assassin had been crucified on an X-shaped frame. The raw steel frame stood within a bare open space. The floor was polished concrete, the ceiling and walls lost in darkness. Illumination was provided by a single modern lantern resting a dozen feet in front of the frame.

The assassin’s eyes flickered open as he regained consciousness. He gasped in pain. Metal spikes had been driven through his feet, knees, elbows and hands. He had been pinned to the frame like an exotic butterfly to a piece of corkboard. But unlike an insect in a collection - he was still very much alive.

Emerging from the shadows, General Haras Mosule said, ‘I see that you have returned to us.’

He carried a squat, gray, ceramic urn. It was fat bodied with a narrow neck. He placed it on the floor next to the lantern. ‘I have grown tired of hunting you and your ilk. You are the unlucky one to be caught just when my patience has become exhausted.’

‘Traitor! I will give you nothing,’ The assassin shouted.

Haras frowned and said, ‘We will see if an ancient pet of the Red Empire changes your mind.’

The assassin’s gaze focused on the urn. His skin paled, his eyes widened, and he whispered incredulously, ‘Olgoi Khorkhoi?’

‘Yes, Al Far,’ Haras said calmly. ‘A Mongolian death worm.’

Al Far shuddered on the cross. His hands clenching spasmodically. Fresh blood dripped from his wrists and splattered on the concrete.

Haras smiled briefly, shaking his head gently. ‘I have recently fed, you will not distract me with such a display.’

Al Far rallied, his eyes narrowing. ‘It’s a trick. That urn is too small to hold a worm.’

‘You are right,’ Haras said, nodding. His eyes gleamed in the lantern light. ‘It’s too small to hold even a young juvenile worm.’

Haras pulled a thick, black, rubber glove from behind his belt and stretched it over his right hand. The glove reached up to his elbow, he flexed his fingers in front of his face, making sure that the glove fitted perfectly and was free of holes. He knew exactly how dangerous a Mongolian death worm was to human or vampire. The venom of an adult worm could kill a man in seconds and a vampire in minutes. Just touching the skin of a death worm was hideously painful. The larval form was without venom, but it’s touch was as agonizing as an adult. For the purpose of interrogation, the larval form was far more useful than an adult worm.

Haras unlocked the lid, lifting it slowly and carefully off the urn. His gloved hand blurred down into the urn’s neck. His arm vibrated and thrashed as he hunted the worm. Fine sand sprayed across the concrete floor as he jerked his hand free. In his grip writhed a pale worm, an oversized maggot, two inches thick and nine inches long. It’s maw gaped open, revealing a trilateral arrangement of curved black fangs. Lines of smaller teeth disappeared in rows down its throat. Its tail ended in a hard nub, the immature form of a deadly sting.

Haras approached the assassin, putting the worm a hand span in front of Al Far’s eyes. The larva responded by straining in Haras’ grip, repeatedly lunging at the man’s face.

Haras leaned in and whispered, ‘A freshly hatched larva.’

Al Far moaned, pulling his head back as far as he could.

‘This one is hungry,’ Haras said. ‘He hasn’t been fed for days. I think he’s quite starved, the poor thing.’

‘Tanin al Layl - you and the vampires will never win.’

Haras snorted. ‘You know my old name. I haven’t been called the Night Dragon for more than a century.’

Al Far ground out the words. ‘The Red Empire never forgets.’

Haras’ eyes narrowed.

Al Far stared at Haras, and vowed, ‘And we never forgive.’

Haras smiled grimly. ‘You should worry about yourself first.’ He pushed the worm closer, to within an inch of Al Far’s eyes. ‘Where is the location of the Red Empire Citadel? Tell me now and the worm goes back in the urn.’

Al Far shook his head, his lips pressed tightly together.

‘I will kill you quickly.’

The assassin shook his head again.

Haras hummed, shrugged his shoulders and took a step back.

Al Far glared at him in silence.

Haras ripped Al Far’s tunic open, baring his chest and stomach. He dangled the worm in front of Al Far’s abdomen and said, ‘They like the soft flesh best. It takes a long time to die when they enter there.’

The worm writhed and twisted. Its powerful muscles rippling under it’s skin. It turned and snapped at Haras’ fingers. He jerked his hand back. Grinning ruefully, he re-established a sure grip on the larva.

Haras said knowingly, ‘You will tell me in the end.’

‘Never,’ snapped Al Far.

Haras slapped the worm onto Al Far’s stomach. In less than a second fresh blood splashed on the floor and the worm disappeared into the assassin’s abdomen. Al Far’s eyes rolled upward and he screamed in agony.

Haras stepped away. The bare skin over Al Far’s torso writhed, several ribs cracked loudly as the assassin's body bucked on the frame. The bloody head of the worm emerged for a moment, its maw working, clearing meat and gristle before looping over to burrow back into the man’s body.

Haras allowed the worm to feast for another ten seconds as Al Far shrieked and cried out. His hand blurred forward like a knife through the first entry wound and with a loud sucking sound he pulled the blood drenched worm free from Al Far’s body. The worm, slick with blood, whipped back and forth in Haras’ iron grip.

Al Far gasped and moaned in relief.

Haras leaned in close and whispered. ‘Where is the Citadel?’

Al Far whispered a few words and then convulsed, blood pouring from his mouth. Haras grinned, a hard light in his eyes. He knew just where the Red Empire Citadel was hidden in Jerusalem. His long search was at an end.

He replaced the death worm larva back into the urn and closed the lid. Carefully locking it tight.

It is time to use the newly recruited praetorians against the Red Empire, he thought decisively. We will see how their modern weapons and tactics go against our ancient foe.

Haras picked up the urn and disappeared into the darkness. He left the pinned corpse of the Red Empire assassin dripping blood onto the concrete floor.

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Published on January 17, 2017 00:52 Tags: a-traitor-s-war, request-for-comment
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message 1: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Wiki article on the Mongolian Death Worm is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoli...

Of course, I have my own specific take on this particular Cryptid.


message 2: by Bernard (new)

Bernard Boley Your Mongolian Death Worm brings back to my memory Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan where Khan Noonien Singh(Ricardo Montalban) drops a sort of worm in Chekov's ear: "You see, their young enter through the ears and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to suggestion... Later, as they grow, follows madness and death..."


message 3: by L.J. (new)

L.J. Hayward I didn't have an issue with this at all, but then I'm used to reading such things.


message 4: by J.M. (new)

J.M. Rankin Given the genre of the book, I wouldn't say that this is out of place. I'm used to reading these kind of scenes (much worse in some cases) so it didn't bother me. Definitely wouldn't put me off reading further.


message 5: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi L.J. and J.M. Thanks for the feedback.


message 6: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Bernard. I remember that scene well.


message 7: by Perry (new)

Perry Lake Oh, I have read so much worse... which probably says something about me. I'll have to describe "taping" to you some time.

But I did have one serious problem with this scene: The word "assassins" should be "assassin's".


message 8: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Perry wrote: "Oh, I have read so much worse... which probably says something about me. I'll have to describe "taping" to you some time.

But I did have one serious problem with this scene: The word "assassins" s..."


Hi Perry, nice catch. Corrected (Here and in the Source).


message 9: by Wayward Skyril (new)

Wayward Skyril Gross, but no, that wouldn't turn me off the book. In fact, I think it's the good kind of gross with blood and imagery and just enough description to be memorable in a positive way.

I was a little confused at the end, though. Was what Al Far whispered the location if the Red Empire Citadel?
Re-reading it, clearly it was, but the first time through I was momentarily confused as to how Haras seemed suddenly to know.


message 10: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Skyril,

I appreciate your perspective.

I may have to clarify the wording around that sentence. I'll look into it.


message 11: by Michele (new)

Michele I don't find it especially disturbing, I think because it feels kinda over the top, like almost cartoony, so for me the impact is lessened. (I'm guessing that isn't what you were going for, sorry!) I might feel differently if I'd read the whole book.


message 12: by Graeme (last edited Jan 17, 2017 07:37PM) (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Michele,

That's ok. I'm smiling at your response. My actual intent is not to produce horror, but to create suspense.

Cheers Graeme


message 13: by Sheila (new)

Sheila G I don't normally read a lot of these types of novels, but I think it is fitting to this genre. I mean...any type of torture is going to be grotesque...it's...torture. When you are dealing with a war-scenario novel, something ultimately gut churning is going to be in there.


message 14: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Sheila,

Thanks for the feedback. The basic context is of multiple competing organizations fighting a secret spy vs spy vs spy war. Where information can mean the difference between winning or losing.

You are right about the context driving the content.


message 15: by Sheila (new)

Sheila G Graeme Rodaughan wrote: "Hi Sheila,

Thanks for the feedback. The basic context is of multiple competing organizations fighting a secret spy vs spy vs spy war. Where information can mean the difference between winning or l..."


It is compelling! Happy writing!


message 16: by Theresa (new)

Theresa lol, Graeme. When I saw your post asking for feedback, I was expecting something much much worse. Anyway, I think this is suitable to the genre and the type of scene you are writing. (I have read. . . and written worse myself. This is tame compared to a few scenes in some first drafts of later books of mine.)

My only correction would be the last sentence. I think Haras picked up the urn and disappeared into the darkness. Leaving the pinned corpse of the Red Empire assassin dripping blood onto the concrete floor. should actually be one sentence. The part starting with leaving is just a sentence fragment. If this is done with stylistic purpose, then disregard. :)


message 17: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Thanks Theresa.

All good. I'll sort that last sentence.


message 18: by Theresa (new)

Theresa Graeme Rodaughan wrote: "Thanks Theresa.

All good. I'll sort that last sentence."


Awesome. Good luck and happy writing!


message 19: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Thanks Sheila,

Much appreciated.

Cheers Graeme


message 20: by J. (new)

J. Gowin I may be being a bit ghoulish, but your turturer is making his job harder than it needs to be by using too much force. For instance, crucifixion is horrifyingly painful in part because it puts you in a permanent stressed position. You can't stand because of how your feet are nailed. If you hang from the nails in your wrists it compresses your upper chest and slowly smothers you. Since you can't do either you try to stay in between which stresses your joints and exhausts you. Like locking someone in a tiger cage. While they would hurt, the nails in the elbows would actually relieve stress on the other joints, and the increased damage would increase the likelihood of death from trauma. If done correctly, crucifixion is a terribly slow way to die. It takes time, perhaps days, to become completely exhausted. Then as you hang there you can't breath fully; your lungs fill with fluid; and you smother to death. In comparison your victim gets off easy.


message 21: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Thanks J.

Great feedback.


message 22: by Michele (new)

Michele I find J.'s detailed descriptions of crucifixion as disturbing than the original torture scene lol


message 23: by Theresa (new)

Theresa Michele wrote: "I find J.'s detailed descriptions of crucifixion as disturbing than the original torture scene lol"

The details of crucifixion are quite horrifying. I can totally understand that thought.


message 24: by Matthew (new)

Matthew Williams Certainly not over the top in my opinion Greame.


message 25: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Pretty much the same as what was published.


message 26: by Gerhard (new)

Gerhard Not at all over the top, Graeme. Realistic writing should not be compromised in any way. This is powerful stuff, and diluting it would considerably lessen the impact. Yes, it's horrifying for sure, but for that specific reason it will stay in the reader's mind a long time after. I'm even of the opinion that it could perhaps be turned up a notch or two... (Admit it, you would love to do just that!!)


message 27: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Lol. Gerhard. I like the way your mind works. G


message 28: by Andrew✌️ (last edited Jun 11, 2017 04:42AM) (new)

Andrew✌️ I read this part just yesterday, but I have to admit that the torture didn't upset me too much. Maybe I was focused waiting the confession of Al Far, or today we are used to see much worse on tv. The crucifixion, on the other hand, hit me at the first time, but not affected my reading. It's true that, in a real warfare, the human being shows is worst part, so in the literary fiction can't be different.


message 29: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Hi Andrew, please join us at Castle Dracula when you are done with this book.


message 30: by India (new)

India Adams That scene would not stop me from reading on, at all :)


message 31: by J.N. (new)

J.N. Bedout The torture seems congruent with the story. I had no issues with it. In fact, it helps provide a deeper understanding of both characters. I can't say how Haras is portrayed elsewhere, but as far as this scene is concerned, he comes off as resolute and a tad merciful. Plus, the victim did break and cough up the location; his loyalty cracked. I liked it.


message 32: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Thanks India and J.N. Good feedback.

As it turned out, I have used this scene, pretty much as is - just polished.


message 33: by J.N. (new)

J.N. Bedout I'll add that it's not entirely unprecedented in history, either. For example, it is a well known fact that prisoners were strapped to poles in New Orleans and had creatures put into them to feed upon them while alive. Their deaths were agonizing and lasted an eternity. Some claim you can still hear their lamentations if you venture into that particular square at night...


message 34: by Graeme (new)

Graeme Rodaughan Wow. I haven't heard of that - but, it doesn't surprise me.


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