An elusive queen

Here is a catch-up post for December; I initially posted it three years ago, but am counting on the fact that most of your memories are as unreliable as mine.
Richard I’s queen, Berengaria, died on December 23rd, 1230, at about age 60. She was buried at L’Epau, the abbey she founded during her long widowhood. As I’ve said at other times, I do not think history has been fair to Berengaria, faulting her for not being another Eleanor of Aquitaine and not giving her enough credit for the quiet courage she displayed on crusade and during her long struggle with her brother-in-law, John, who treated her rather shabbily after Richard’s death. A good example of how dismissive historians can be is a comment by Elizabeth Hallam, who has written her current entry in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. Ms. Hallam reports that chroniclers described her as beautiful and prudent, but then adds that Richard of Devizes’s snide comment that she was more prudent than pretty is more convincing. Yet Richard of Devizes never laid eyes upon Berengaria, whereas Ambroise, who was far more complimentary, did. So why does she give greater credence to Richard of Devizes? Because he was snarkier? I’ve said this before, too, that I see her as a young woman who was dealt a bad hand and played it as best she could. But she remains an elusive figure, an elegant ghost who did not share her secrets and left few footprints in the sands of history. At least she has a street named after her in Le Mans.
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Published on January 10, 2017 12:03
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message 1: by Therese (new)

Therese There was only one Eleanor of Aquitaine, and while we know so little about Berengaria, I don't think she had much of a chance. Richard was on the run for most of the time when he was King, and I always wonder what would have happened if they had had a child (boy) and she stepped up a little…


message 2: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I think her tragedy, Therese, was that she had no child. Medieval queens were taught that a barren marriage was their fault, and while some women surely doubted that, what we know of Berengaria indicates she was conventional in her thinking and very pious. She was likely, therefore, to accept this belief rather than challenge it. It is an interesting What if, though.


message 3: by Therese (new)

Therese When I am reading, I often want to whisper into the characters and tell them certain things. Of course this happens only when I get a good author and characters that I really like. I want to let them know that it's going to be okay and/or don't do this… May sound silly but I don't care. I love reading and get quite involved with the people at times.


message 4: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I kept talking to my Angevin characters all the time, Therese. As if they could change their fates if only they'd listen to me! Eleanor, maybe you ought to rethink that rebellion idea. Henry, wait till you get back to your bedchamber before launching that rant about Thomas Becket, and for God's sake, listen to Eleanor and name Richard as your heir. Geoffrey, are you sure you want to take part in that tournament? Richard, wear your hauberk! And John...ah, where to begin with John? Of course they paid me no heed at all, my being a lowly scribe and a female scribe at that.


message 5: by Therese (new)

Therese I am tickled pink to know that you do the same thing! Just finished a book set during World War II and wanted to tell the main character that he was going to make it. He was going to be okay, and he was… I also wanted to some my nose at some of the people who are so cruel and arrogant because I knew they were going down.

Perhaps Henry would have listened to you if you had been able to convince him that Eleanor was going to eclipse his fame one day, as was Richard ;-)


message 6: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Wouldn't Henry have loved that, Therese? It amuses me to think of them in the Hereafter, while she nonchalantly mentions that she has more biographies written about her than he does, and Richard chimes in to boast that he is considered one of the greatest medieval generals. Now Henry was a fine soldier, too, but not quite in Richard's class; on the other hand, he was not as insanely reckless as Richard, either, so he got to live a lot longer. What a remarkable family they were, though. I will miss writing about them.


message 7: by Therese (new)

Therese Henry loved it? Well with that temperature is I'm not sure loved is the right word! I already miss them but have loved reading about them and learning about them thanks to your fantastic books. I am on to Edward II, Isabella and Roger. My goodness! Working my way through the monarchy beginning with William the Conqueror a while back. I take sidetrips frequently because there are so many interesting folks i.e. Thomas Becket, William Marshal, Simon de Montfort, and so forth.


message 8: by Sharon (new)

Sharon That was sarcastic. :-) I don't think Henry would be thrilled that Eleanor has overshadowed him in the public mind; he was a man of the 12th century, after all. I have never understood, Therese, why Hollywood has been so bedazzled with the Tudors; the Plantagenets are far more interesting!


message 9: by Therese (new)

Therese Oh, I knew very well it was sarcastic even though they haven't yet developed a font for it. I speak it fluently. Why the Tudors and not the Plantagenets? Henry is larger than life, Henry VIII and his six wives, but mostly because they haven't read your work.


message 10: by RJay (new)

RJay Agreed, the Plantagenets are far more interesting than the Tudors and there would be much fine drama to light up the big screen!
Sharon, when you stated you were 'leaving the Plantagenets' I was devastated but your decision prompted an incredible literary journey for me, so thank you.

There is a very important Plantagenet date in history approaching later this month - January 23. I hope you'll include it in your posts.


message 11: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Well, I have not totally abandoned them, RJay--just the Angevins. Though Eleanor and her sons will appear in my next mystery. And when I do my novel about Owain Glyndwr, there will be Plantagenets sharing screen-time with him. Also John of Gaunt, who was a Plantagenet, of course, but never a king.


message 12: by RJay (new)

RJay Great to know you're working on another mystery! Can't wait.
And I wasn't aware you were planning a novel on Owain Glyndwr. I hope you will include Constance of York in your novel - she might have been the only one of Edmund's children who inherited some of the Plantagenet chutzpah.


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