As You Know, Bob, When Henry VII Founded the Tudor Dynasty . . .

One of the biggest pitfalls which can befall the historical novelist is what has been called the  "As you know, Bob" syndrome. This is where the writer, needing to give the reader some necessary information, has one character impart it in a conversation with the other character, as in "As you know, Edward, in 1485 Henry Tudor defeated Richard III at Bosworth Field, thereby beginning the Tudor dynasty."


The main problem with this sort of device (which I've been guilty of using myself) is that too often, the character being addressed doesn't need the information: he knows perfectly well what happened in 1485. It's the equivalent of one modern-day American adult telling another in casual conversation, "As you know, Dave, in the 2008 election, Barack Obama became the first African-American president of the United States by defeating John McCain . . . "


"As you know, Bob"  often crops up in first-person narratives. I recently gave up  on one novel where the author forced one character to give the listening character about fifty years' worth of dynastic information in three or four paragraphs: the result read more like a genealogical table with quotation marks added than a dialogue between two human beings. Third-person narratives, however, are by no means immune to the syndrome. One of the most egregious examples I saw was in a third-person narration set during the Wars of the Roses where two young women, who had known each other for years and who saw each other regularly, were made to recount about ten years of recent history to each other, as if both had recently emerged from comas.


There are some instances when "As you know, Bob" can sound natural. One is when the character being addressed is ignorant of what's being told him, for instance, where a child is being given a history lesson. (This can get dull for the reader awfully fast, though, if not used sparingly.) Sometimes the speaker can be made to have the habit of stating the obvious, thereby putting the dialogue to double duty as both a means of showing character and of informing the reader. At other times, the character on the receiving end can be made to protest, "Well, I knew that already. What do you think I am, a fool?"


A close cousin of "As you know, Bob" is the "your father, the King of England" syndrome, as in, "Mary, you know your father, the King of England, would not approve of these measures." This can work in some contexts, such as where the characters are speaking very formally or where the speaker wants to emphasize the gravity of the situation, but too often it's employed just to let the reader know, or to remind him, that Mary is the king's daughter.


Both the "As you know, Bob" and the "your father, the King of England" syndrome  in historical fiction arise, I think, from the admonition to authors to "show, don't tell." The dread of being caught in the act of "telling" means that instead of using narration to give the reader information, the author makes the characters do the job in dialogue. Of course, all the author is doing is making the characters do her dirty work for her.


The key to avoiding these syndromes, and the other literary sin of extended exposition, is to weave the historical background into the story unobtrusively as possible. This is by no means easy, as I can certainly testify; as I said earlier, I've been caught as-you-know-Bobbing myself. I'll keep trying to avoid it. In the meantime, to get it out of our systems, perhaps writers should take a cue from "Talk Like a Pirate Day" and have an "As You Know, Bob" day. What about it?

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Published on August 02, 2011 10:42
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message 1: by Misfit (new)

Misfit Loved this. Sharing the link with the ladies at PBS.


message 2: by Susan (new)

Susan Thanks!


message 3: by [deleted user] (new)

Oh gosh, did you just hit my pet-peeve on the head here. Both "syndromes" you describe stop me in my tracks and means at least one automatic star deduction from my rating, lol. It just jars me out of the story and oftentimes I can't get back into the story after that.

But you're right - trying to find ways around these syndromes must be maddening!


message 4: by Iset (new)

Iset I feel the same way as Michele - I don't mind if it crops up occasionally in a book, but if the author uses it like a crutch then to me that is a sign of poor writing, and I deduct points from my final rating for that. It's so annoying to come across one character telling another something they already know full well, and is blatantly just there to inform the reader. I mark it as a sign of good writing skill and quality if such snippets of factual information are woven into the story and not given as part of a clunky paragraph of dialogue plonked onto the page in one big go.


message 5: by [deleted user] (new)

Big pet peeve. Hadn't annoyed me too much before in the past, but there was one book that made it a red button peeve for a good long while.


message 6: by Susan (new)

Susan It is annoying, isn't it? Thanks for stopping by, ladies!


message 7: by Misfit (new)

Misfit Once you really catch on to it happening, it is hard not to notice it. There was one chunk in The Virgin Widow with a young Anne Neville and Richard having this huge chat over family back history and I'm just scratching my head 'cause they should have known that.

Although, how does she get that back history in for the readers who don't know it?


message 8: by Jemidar (new)

Jemidar Some people manage to weave in the back history without you even noticing while others lay it on in big slabs. I really only notice it when it's done badly so have no idea how it's done well...lol.


message 9: by Iset (new)

Iset Once or twice in Sharon Penman's When Christ and His Saints Slept she manages to weave it in by having a rather youthful, guileless character, unawares of the facts, make a mistake in dialogue when referring to Fact X and then having a more experienced character correct them and explain the situation to them - and afterwards the now-enlightened character expresses embarrassment or sheepishness at their previous ignorance. That's a much better way of weaving it in, and even then, she only does that a handful of times in a 900+ page book.


message 10: by Susan (new)

Susan It's hard to do, that's for sure. I've seen a couple of novels where the author provided an introductory section before the novel's action began in which the author simply gave the historical background leading up to the opening scene of the novel. That can be helpful, but that can scare some readers off with the feeling that they're picking up a textbook instead of a novel. I've also seen authors use footnotes in the text explaining a name or a word--Sandra Gulland did that a few times in her Josephine trilogy.


message 11: by Dawn (& Ron) (new)

Dawn (& Ron) I am curious, is this showing not telling a more recent, modern thing? I ask on two counts. I never heard about it like I do now (granted that is in part to sites like GR, reader blogs, etc) and I've noticed in some recent older reads, pre 70's, that the author for the most part assumes the reader knows what is what. Is author presumption worse than the quandary of showing versus telling?


message 12: by [deleted user] (new)

Good point, Dawn...I've read plenty of older HF that is wonderful precisely because it assumes I already know. Granted, I have to pay more attention to the book, but that's a good thing.


message 13: by Dawn (& Ron) (new)

Dawn (& Ron) Michele wrote: "Good point, Dawn...I've read plenty of older HF that is wonderful precisely because it assumes I already know. Granted, I have to pay more attention to the book, but that's a good thing."

Your right, Michelle, you certainly have to pay more attention. And I admit having to look up things, like "Queen Eleanor's Cross" in my recent Henry V read which was originally published in the 50's. It makes me wonder, is show versus tell trend a change due to readers, authors/publishing or all?


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