Some thoughts on the election

A couple of questions have come into my Tumblr ASK thingy recently. If you’re interested in what I’m thinking about the election, keep reading. If not, please enjoy this picture I took of the clock in my kitchen. I think it’s neat.


posterized clock



About Tim Kaine as Hillary Clinton’s VP pick:


I wanted someone more liberal, and someone who was more unambiguously antiwar.


But that’s who I wanted at the top of the ticket, and I didn’t get that, either.


I don’t know too much about him, but people I know and trust who do know lots about him — even Sanders supporters — think he’s a good choice.


Ultimately, it just doesn’t matter to me. The reality of this election is thatwe can choose between a disappointing Democrat and the end of the world. (Unless you’re in a deep deep deep blue or deep deep red state,voting for a third party is irresponsible this time around, given the stakes for the election, in my opinion. Younger me would have argued fiercely against that. Younger me voted for Nader, and look how that turned out.)


What’s really, really, really important is that Democrats take back the Senate, so people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown and Al Franken are in leadership positions. We need to get as many strong progressives in congress, and in our state and local governments, as we can, to ensure that Clinton’s neocon foreign policy instincts and fealty to Wall Street are held in check as much as possible. It’s really important to get as much of the House back as possible, to neuter the Tea Party and force whatever is left of traditional Republicans (like, the non-insane ones who aren’t in the Trump or Cruz wing of the party) to compromise and actually get shit done. Most important of all, Trump has to be defeated in an historical landslide. He needs to be humiliated, and he needs to take as much of his party down with him as possible.


I remember in 2004 how shitty I thought Kerry was, and what a terrible candidate he was. But I remember feeling like America needed to show the world and ourselves that Bush was an anomaly, that Bush was installed by SCOTUS, and when we were given a choice, we rejected him. It was really, really bad when America basically reaffirmed that the Bush/Cheney reign of terror was A-OK with us, and I believe it’s one of the reasons, if not thereason that not a single person was ever held accountable for the Iraq War lies.


So we have another chance this year, and we have to loudly and unambiguously say that We, The People, totally reject the fascist, nativist, white nationalist cult of personality that is Donald Trump.


So Kaine is safe. Kaine is boring. Kaine says that Hillary Clinton takes the votes of the liberal wing of the party for granted. Kaine says that the Clintons are stuck in the 90s and always will be. And all of that is disappointing to me, but it ultimately doesn’t matter because the stakes in this election are as high as they’ve ever been. If Trump is elected, America will never recover. We can’t allow that to happen, and voting for Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine is the best way to do that.



Have you seen Michael Moore’s post about how Trump is going to win, and if so, your thoughts?


It’s a useful call to arms that everyone who is #BernieOrBust needs to hear and think about.


I’ve made it really clear that Bernie Sanders is who I wanted for my president, and I did what I could to make that happen … but he didn’t get the nomination, and now my realistic choice is between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.


I think Michael Moore is right about Hillary not exciting young people the way President Obama did and does. It’s now our job to help everyone who is upset and disappointed and thinking about staying home to realize that we’re going to need every single vote we can get to defeat and utterly demolish and humiliate Donald Trump and everything he stands for.


I don’t like that Clinton is a warmonger. I don’t like that she’s too close to Wall Street. I don’t like that she and her campaign were condescending and dismissive of Millennials during the primaries.


But none of that changes the reality we are facing: it’s Clinton or Trump. I understand that younger voters don’t remember the 2000 election when SCOTUS installed Bush, and I understand that younger voters who were in elementary school during his disastrous presidency were effectively insulated from it because they were kids. I was *exactly* that kid in 2000 when I voted for Nader, because Bush was an asshole and Gore was a terrible candidate.


But if I could get my vote back now, I’d build the time machine with my own hands. Think of the millions of people who have died because of Bush. Think of the destruction of our climate that is now a total crisis, because Bush and his administration did nothing to address it. Think of how much horrible debt college students have, because Bush put people who just wanted to take their money away from them into positions of power. Think about the militarization of our police, which began under Bush.


President Obama did everything he could to roll back the damage Bush and Cheney did to our country and the world, and we aren’t even halfway to where we need to be. I don’t know how much President Clinton will work to continue rolling it back, but even if she keeps it in the same place, that’s better for our country and the world than what will happen under a President Trump.


If you, like me, wanted Bernie Sanders to be our president, if you, like me, believe in his revolution, if you, like me, believe that we have to make America work for the 99%, then your choice in this election is Hillary Clinton.


She’s not perfect. She’s not my first choice, or even in my top five choices. But she is the choice I have if I want to protect my country and my children from Donald Trump.


So that’s why, even though I still Feel the Bern, I’m With Her.




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message 1: by Lata (new)

Lata I'm a Canadian, and a non-white, I've been watching what's happening across the border with real trepidation.


message 2: by Judith (new)

Judith The thing for me is that I don't trust Mrs. Clinton to keep us from more wars, including WW III. I don't trust her to do anything about the environment either. Maybe some band aid type of measure but with her history of pushing fracking in so many countries it is obvious that she does not get it or just does not care. And don't get me started on her alliance with Wall St. And most of all I don't trust her to be honest with us. She will be like Andrew Jackson publicly giving lip service to treaties while in fact being a genocidal maniac re native peoples. In fact, she will be Jacksonian in more ways, like rewarding big financial supporters with access to power and appointments. I am not with her.


message 3: by Tracey (new)

Tracey I'm trying to spread that one sentence to everyone I can reach: "The reality of this election is that we can choose between a disappointing Democrat and the end of the world." Because I don't think it's meant as hyperbole - and I don't think it is hyperbole.


message 4: by Ben (new)

Ben Steele Judith wrote: "The thing for me is that I don't trust Mrs. Clinton to keep us from more wars, including WW III. I don't trust her to do anything about the environment either. Maybe some band aid type of measure b..."

Yep. The choice isn't "between a disappointing Democrat and the end of the world." It's between a dangerous professional politician who could take us over the edge and a dangerous ranting demagogue who could take us over the edge. The only good choice left is electing a third party candidate. Everyone says third party candidates aren't electable. But that is always true until it isn't. The Republican Party was once a third party, until enough people voted for a Republican candidate and he was elected. If every person who says third party candidates aren't electable voted for a third party candidate, we'd have a third party president. It really is that simple.


✨the one with all the books✨ I'm still praying a new candidate that will unite people will magically appear.


message 6: by Ingo (last edited Jul 28, 2016 08:24AM) (new)

Ingo If you have not already seen it, a rather interesting view from someone who comments on our workforce regularly - Dilbert creator Scott Adams!

Scott Adams (Dilbert) Clip on ... why Trump will win, sad but then, he will never win and the Brits never will leave the EU, oh, wait, they just did...
So although I (as a German with a Woman as a leader and not a bad one as that) do not want Trump as a US-President, I admit it is a real possibility. Let's hope for the best!


message 7: by Geraldm459 (new)

Geraldm459 I think that even though Bernie didn't get the nomination, he has affected the system in ways that will continue to radiate from sea to shining sea. And while he didn't get the nomination, he and others like him are still of part of the system and as such can still bring about the changes we hoped that he would. But they can't do it without us doing our part. At this point, a protest vote (or non-vote) could have devastating consequences to our democratic way of life. I think that Donald Trump represents a clear and present danger and should not be allowed to ascend to the highest office in this country. Come election day, before you pull that lever or punch that card, think hard about the negative ramifications your vote could have in this country today and in future days to come.


message 8: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie There is no good choice. It is the least of the bad choices. I don't trust Hilary Clinton as she is almost as much a Republican as the Republicans when it comes to economics. Her stance on war doesn't worry me, but her economics and ties to big business do. Yet, in the end, we can survive that - we have before. What we can't survive is Trump. He makes me feel like I am 5 years old again, hiding under my school desk, practicing for a bomb to drop. Except with him, I fear it won't be practice.

As a woman, I truly fear the Republican party. The erosion of our rights as citizens from equal respect for the same job to the right to make reproductive choices has been slowly going on and with Trump as president it will become a full-fledged landslide.

In the end, what we really need to concentrate on is our state and federal representatives along with governors. What they have done at the state level in making crazy laws, be it Texas, Wisconsin, or Arizona as good examples (all of which I have lived in), and in watching how the president has been kept ineffective thanks to Congress' stonewalling, shows us how important those elections are. We need to recognize how important those votes are and concentrate on them instead of fighting over whether Sanders' supporters should vote for Clinton.


message 9: by Geraldm459 (new)

Geraldm459 Lizzie wrote: "There is no good choice. It is the least of the bad choices. I don't trust Hilary Clinton as she is almost as much a Republican as the Republicans when it comes to economics. Her stance on war does..."


I absolutely agree with you about focusing on the states. After getting a democrat into the white house, electing a majority of progressives like Burnie to congressional seats at the state level will put a halt to partisan gridlock so that we can start moving forward.


message 10: by Lizzie (new)

Lizzie Geraldm459 wrote: "Lizzie wrote: "There is no good choice. It is the least of the bad choices. I don't trust Hilary Clinton as she is almost as much a Republican as the Republicans when it comes to economics. Her sta..."

Since they estimate we ate facing replacing up to 4 Justices over this next presidential period it makes Congress even more important. The Supreme Court is up for grabs and we have seen what a Republican Congress has done to date on that front. Interpretation and application of case law to decisions is not something we can shake off 4 years from now.


message 11: by Ron (new)

Ron I just can't do it. I can't see past the evil, threatening us to see and fear the "big bad wolf" everyone is so afraid of. Trumps an idiot. He knows nothing of politics or leadership and is and egomaniac. But all the dumb things he says, all the bad threats be makes our actions he promises, to me, are nothing compared to what Hillary has actually already done. The threat of more that Hillary will do as president scars the crap out of me. Everyone has been using the great politics to try to scare us away from trump, and he is pretty scary, part as himself being an idiot but even more so that a large percentage of our country actually want him as their first choice. I don't think he's nearly as conservative as they make him out to be but, yeah, it's prefer him not to choose any justice/s. Through we can ways to deny his choices. But you people settling for Hillary... You actually really trust her choices? Everything she had done in the past makes me think she will just auction off the justice seats to the highest bidder. She'll find a show mega corporations/special interest/industry that will pay her (in the form of paid speeches and foundation donations) and then she would pick the one justice choice that aligns with the bidders needs. Knowing Hillary, she may even have those deals planned out. Hillary is proven to be a pay-to-play politician. No way she's not going to profit off.

Let's not forget the disastrous policy Bill Clinton passed either since they are basically the same. It was all about making them money by helping out huge corporations rape the country. The banking deregulation Bill did was the root cause, reason for, the housing and economy crash since he gave the banks the tools needed for the fraud that led to the crash. Millions of people last their family homes and jobs. The economy took years to even come close to coming back and the banks got tinny slaps on the wrist with fines that were pocket change consolidated to the taxpayer bailout money they got (which Hillary pushed hard for BTW). And then, since then, the Clintons have seemed and dined nonstop with those exact same banks getting paid tens of millions of dollars for "speeches".... Because writing "bribe payoff" on the checks rather than "speech" would look too suspicious.

Then there is the prison system deregulation that Bill pushed through. Turning inmates into profitable inventory to make his profits. Then making sure laws were tightened and targeted more with policy that put millions of minorities into that business model for silly crimes and was part of the cause for the race and authority divide we see with police and blacklivesmatter. Hillary was a big pusher of this stigma as well.

Of course we can also thank Bill for the deregulation of the FCC/media which allowed 90% off ALL our media to be gobbled up and concentrated to be owned and controlled by just 6 virtual monopolies. 6 mega corporations connelly all TV/news, cable networks, radio, magazine newspapers, major websites... All of it with a controlled narrative. Add in a little help from Obama releasing "propaganda" and news laws, and we see the insane Hillary bias, basically pure propaganda, from all the news media. Some of you may have already forgotten the crazy media blackout Bernie was under for the first half of his campaign. Only reason most of the news shows/sites even mentioned his name is because they had to admit Hillary list to "soneine" as Bernie grew. Then eventually they couldn't hide him so they all started the attacks and gaslighting all the while doing damage control for Hillary and puff stories for her. So yeah, in short we can thank Bill for making our "news" into Hillary's marketing/propaganda machine and its never going to be real raw news from mainstream media again.

What industry is left for Hillary to sellout/deregulate? Maybe social security. Or maybe public schools. Or maybe law enforcement. Or hundreds of other things that mega corporations are hitting at the bit to control and profit off of. If none of that worries, or better yet, scars the crap out of you, it should. And that's all beyond the other scary things she does our will do.

People try to say she's not liable for the American deaths in benghazi. Maybe she wasn't directly but it's clear she and Obama was more worried about the "optics" of issue than the protection of our people there. But don't forget the whole reason for that uprising was the huge push for destabilization/overthrow of government that Hillary led there. If she never did that, with giddy excitement, then Benghazi wouldn't have happened. And ISIS wouldn't have evolved as fast or as strong in that power vacuum either. And don't forget her similar work in Syria and Honduras. As president and finish her work in Syria and then move on for more. Likely Iran? Doesn't matter, she'd find an "enemy" one way or another and then use her new propaganda machine to sell it to Americans. Maybe even keep let online paid trolls in place to spread the false support/propaganda that way too.

So, yeah, no. Hell no. Never Hillary. She's a proven political predator. A political prostitute that is her own pimp. She's more dangerous because she knows the system, knows the other corrupt politicians/lawmakers and can get anything done that she wants, or is paid to do.

She's not progressive either. She priced that with her push on the Dem party platform committee. Her people chief against $15 an hour. Against banning fracking. Against carbon taxes. Voted NOT to oppose freaking TPP! Against Medicare for all. Sure, eventually they came around in some things but not nearly enough. And in the end, it's just the platform, not some contact Hillary has to follow. Her stances on the original platform are what she's going to push most likely. More realistic she will push for what the special interest want instead.

I can't trust someone who lies to us constantly. I mean not done noble lie or to pricy national secrets/security. No, she lied to cover up her crimes and misdeeds that. She lied about every element of her private server email crimes that was very likely in place to hide other crimes and misdeeds. That alone is a reason to never trust her as a leader. And as far as we know, she could very well be under active criminal investigation still for the Clinton foundation... The FBI wouldn't confirm or Denison likely confirms. No idea if justice will be done, if that is the case, but the reasons behind needing an investigation is bad enough. If they deem the Clinton foundation "to big to fail" or "to big to jail" because of all the many political connections then it's only going to deepen that corruption. Not only Clinton corruption and American government corruption but worldwide corruption. Hillary went from serving the mega corporation, as a politician, to creating one of the most connected powerful corporations around which is only growing more and corrupting more every year. Pay-to-play as a corporate business model with the President is the unified states ready to shill. Yeah, no.

The two party system is broken and corrupted. Both want to keep it that way. The GOP is a joke and we now see that the DNC even more of a home with corruption and fraud. The primary was fixed. That alone is an insane that to our supposed democracy that not nearly enough people are pissed off about. The DNC showed us that our right to vote is not valid. Our votes, even our delegates, don't matter. Because the skagen is broken. Hillary had 400 super delegates, a nice majority, bought and paid for before the race even started. The Hillary Victory Fund is a money laundering business that victimized the states and the down ticket dems.

All that and then we will had insane exit poll discrepancies indicating mass election fraud. Rather than investigate, the DNC ignored it, and all of a sudden exit polls were canceled from them on. The discrepancies happened in states using old, hackable, voting machines that didn't use paper backups. Anyways in Hillary's favor. Exit polls for GOP were right on BTW. Then there was the poll station suppression, the voter purges and many cases of unwanted voter registration changes. On insane levels. I know two people that wanted to vote for Bernie. Myself and a friend. His registration was changed to Republican randomly so he was forced to vote provisional (like millions of others) my vote by mail ballot, that I triple-checked was filled out correctly and signed and all, which I dropped off personally at my polling place and placed it in the lockbox myself, never got counted. Still shows "unprocessed" when I check. All in favor of Hillary in most all cases. Sure, the proven collusion between Hillary and the DNC, and media, doesn't prove any of them directly cheated the primary voting, but someone did, in favor of Hillary, clearly.

The popularity of both Bernie and Trump shows that most people are sick of the corrupted two party system. The establishment. The two nominees for those parties are the worst candidates either party has ever had. The last popular within their own party. Now is the time a 3rd party can make a huge push. Yeah, that's scary and feels like a wasted effort but this time it might not be. Too many people hate Hillary too much.

Bernie had:
-40+% off the Dem voters
-70% off the independents (some crossover above since a few states allowed independents to vote primary)
-and likely a small but decent percentage of GOP that just can't stomach Trump.

That's not a Nader. That not a "spoiler". That's a coalition of voters the size of most of us haven't seen in our lives. If even half of all those Bernie refugees go over to Jill Stein, she could actually win in a 4 candidate race. As hated as both Hillary and trump are, Jill could end up with a majority of Bernie's supporters. Revolutions can be scary ;). Berniecrats are already winning seats with more to come. The movement is still moving with our without Bernie. But throwing Hillary in there because trump is too scary is not how we fix things. With Hillary as president for the next 8 years, the establishment will spend that time shoeing up any leaks, fixing laws and processes, to make sure we can never challenge their control, or embarrass them again.

I'm short lol, Trump sucks but so does fear politics. Trump is an idiot but Hillary is a clever manipulator. Trump is stupid but Hillary is evil. Jill Stein calls for everything, and more, that Bernie did, and she can actually win a general election.


message 12: by Andrea (new)

Andrea It's sad that I feel like I have to say thank you for being intelligent. Thank you for not voting for a sociopathic narcissist.

Unfortunately, as we saw in 2000 a vote for a third party candidate is one less for HRC and Trump wins. Just like Bush did in 2000.

We study history so we don't make the same mistake over and over again. Trump is begging third party candidates to join the debates so he can win the election.

Jill Stein is great. If HRC wins maybe she will join her team. I hope she will. If not I think and she should start organizing now for 2020.


message 13: by Ben (new)

Ben Steele Andrea wrote: "We study history so we don't make the same mistake over and over again."

But if you studied history, you'd know many things that you apparently don't presently know. More registered Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader. And the most full recount ever done showed that Gore won Florida and hence won the election. What you must learn from is why didn't Gore fight against a system in Florida that was rigged against him and against democracy?


message 14: by Ron (new)

Ron Andrea wrote: "It's sad that I feel like I have to say thank you for being intelligent. Thank you for not voting for a sociopathic narcissist.

Unfortunately, as we saw in 2000 a vote for a third party candidate ..."

Except, you have to apply that "same mistake over and over" idea to enabling Hilary to continue making terrible decisions, when it really matters, continue to ignore the laws and rules of us silly peasants and continue selling off our country. Bills presidency has had major negative on our systems and economy because the Clintons wanted to get rich. They perfected the pay-to-play model and streamlined "legal" bribing and access. Hilary is as bad, but likely worse, than Bill was and we can't afford her privatizing yet another industry. Are you actually learning from the past mistakes/history?

And then there is the Nader thing. For one, Bush "won" because some guy in Florida, that happened to be named Jeb Bush, fixed it and then Gore, for whatever reason, let them steal it away. Second, studies show Nader didn't spoil,in general, so that 3rd part spoil thing is bogus. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&s...

Lastly, Bernie is no nader. Nader never had almost half of the primary voterbase. Nader didn't have 70% of the independants. Math-wise, Hilary would be the spoiler lol. The divide is already there. Much of the Bernie supporters will never vote for Hilary regardless if Bernie is in it or not now. Those voters are free agents that are "spoiled" as is. And it will be a substantial percentage. If Hilary wins but only a few percentage points over Jill, where your vote for Jill could have avoided Hilary and helped Jill actually win, them you spoiled it.

This election is nothing like we've seen in our lifetimes. The two power party candidates are the most hated, toxic candidates, in our known history. The push against the establishment candidates in both parties is unprecudented, as far as I know. Bernie huge voter base has to go somewhere and the are likely most not going to Hilary or Trump anyway. Jill has a real chance thanks to Bernie's voter refugees. She likely still won't win, especially if we see the same election fraud, suppression, purges and sketchiness as we did in primary. If they use the same hackable voter machines, the ones without paper backups that show no proof of cheating (the same that Hilary magically dominated in) then it doesn't matter anyway... They will cheat again.


message 15: by Shawn (last edited Aug 02, 2016 06:06AM) (new)

Shawn E. E. 1. Ever hear of Gary Johnson? Jill Stein? You do not have to choose between Hillary and Trump.

2. This is not the place for political discussions. This site is for readers and writers to get away from that sort of trash and discuss books.


message 16: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Ben wrote: "Judith wrote: "The thing for me is that I don't trust Mrs. Clinton to keep us from more wars, including WW III. I don't trust her to do anything about the environment either. Maybe some band aid ty..."

But every person who will vote the third party in this election will come from the Democrat vote. Which therefore means Trump will win.


message 17: by Jessica (new)

Jessica Geraldm459 wrote: "I think that even though Bernie didn't get the nomination, he has affected the system in ways that will continue to radiate from sea to shining sea. And while he didn't get the nomination, he and o..."

I fully agree that a non/protest vote will have the same result as Brexit did. And oh the Bregret.


message 18: by Shawn (new)

Shawn E. E. Jessica wrote: "Ben wrote: "Judith wrote: "The thing for me is that I don't trust Mrs. Clinton to keep us from more wars, including WW III. I don't trust her to do anything about the environment either. Maybe some..."
Not necessarily. A lot of Republicans will be voting Libertarian too. Most of them don't like Trump either.


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