Should authors update books before they're reissued?

I've struggled often with the question - should authors update their books when they're reissued?

The publisher usually gives a reissue a new cover, and sometimes a new title, so it doesn't look old.
But then, how can readers tell that it's an older book? How can readers know that the characters are using a giant car phone, or a pay phone, because cell phones weren't around when that book was written?

And actual keys to a motel room instead of a key card.

No internet. Or cordless phones, or microwaves...

And putting babies on their stomach to sleep, vs... however it is they tell new mommies to do it now. It is forever changing! (I had one furious reader write me because my heroine did it the wrong way. But... at the time I wrote that book, it was the right way! :-/ Honest!)
-- this was in "BEGUILED."

Also, I like to think I've become a better writer. Yeah, I know, all writers want to think that. We sure don't want to think we've become worse writers!

I look at my older books, and I groan. So much verbal rambling.
Such awkward dialogue.
And outdated stuff everywhere.

Authors are limited by the boundaries of her publishing house at the time she wrote the book. And of course, publishers base those boundaries off of society. Like the author, they want to sell books.

For instance, I remember when I first started writing Harlequins (this is going back 15 years!) we couldn't even say "Holy cow," because that was too religious. Seriously!
-- Something you might not know - my "Buckhorn Brothers" were originally in a town called Paragon. I guess they would have been the "Paragon Brothers." LOL
But Harlequin - more than a decade ago, mind you - felt that was too "biblical." And so the town became Buckhorn.


Words like ass? No way. I had to say butt, and the editor even frowned over that. Having male dialogue was way tricky. All the guys I know say ass! LOL.

Calling body parts what they are? Or even really talking about body parts? Not so much. Other than in a few historicals, the norm was to use euphemisms.

Luckily, right before my 2nd Harlequin got bought, they started the "Blaze" line, and that opened the door to a LOT more freedom. Anyone who's read me knows that I think any good romance deserves really hot sex. ;-) With "Blaze," the restrictions fell away, more and more over time.

Kudos to Harlequin for leading the way on that.

The "Buckhorn Brothers" will be reissued again soon.

See dates and such on my "Coming soon" page: http://lorifoster.com/coming/

To see the original covers, along with the reissued covers, look at my "Related Books and Series" page: http://www.lorifoster.com/books/relat...
(The much dreaded original cover for Sawyer is there. It's pretty awful though, so prepare yourself!)

Sawyer/Morgan - "BUCKHORN BEGINNINGS," Nov 2011.
Gabe/Jordan - "FOREVER BUCKHORN," Feb 2012.
Casey - "BUCKHORN LEGACY," Nov 2012.

I had wanted to go through each book and fix any typos, tighten up the wording, do a general update... but sadly, I ran out of time. I was so busy finishing up a current book, doing line edits on another, and promoting the new series, that I didn't get around to it.

So of course, I will worry now.
Are they too dated?
Is the writing style too stilted? Too flowery?
Will new-to-me readers pick those up and not like them, without ever realizing that they're a decade old?

So what do you think?
Should authors "spruce up" books before they're reissued? I don't mean a whole rewrite - content would stay the same - but what about an update?
Do YOU like that idea?

Lastly, I'll leave you with a review that spurred me to write this.
http://www.booksbeforeboys.com/2011/0...
I'd been thinking about those books for awhile, ever since the publisher told me they'd be reissued again.
This particular reader gave me a giant smile.
I hope, if you've read the books, or plan to read them, that you'll enjoy them as much as she did.

Have a wonderful holiday everyone!

Lori
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message 1: by Diana (new)

Diana Harper Though it would be nice to have them updated, the problem I see is that I started reading you way back when and I have kept all the books so I would have duplicate books or stories but not really. It is something that upsets me when I think I am buying a new book and then it turns out to be a remake of one that I already have.


message 2: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Oh, yeah, I wouldn't rewrite! Don't have the time for that. But I would change out little things, like have them use a cell phone instead of a car phone. LOL.
And I'd love to whittle away on rambling sentences. Not change the scene, just tighten. No new stuff added or anything.
But alas, I ran out of time to do that anyway. :::sigh::: Hope the books hold up and don't seem TOO dated!
Hugs,

Lori


message 3: by Karen (new)

Karen Keyte You know, in general I agree with minor updates - Jennifer Crusie fixed the phones on one of her reissues - but I don't always think their necessary. It would be nice if the publisher let you put a letter in the front explaining that the books were published more than then years ago, but it's okay if they don't. I have reread the Buckhorn Brothers books several times, and I like them each time. Yes, the writing style is not the same as your current books, but the stories are still fabulous. That's what really matters. There are some reissues out there that really should have stayed in the past, but as long as the stories are good, readers adjust. At least, I like to think I do.


message 4: by Kathy (new)

Kathy Along with what Diana said above, I have many of the original books written by you and other authors so I would like to know if a reissued book has been updated or scenes added before purchasing the reissued copy. When I buy contemporary romances (brand new or reissued) I realize that whenever the book's were written it is contemporary for that time. I remember when one of Judith McNaught's Double Standards was reissued (orig. published 1986), there was no updating or rewriting done and even now when I do a reread of it I kind of chuckle over the heroine using a typewriter. Plus this was an obvious case of workplace sexual harrassment but the "boss" was the hero and his secretary (not the "Administrative Asst.") was the heroine. That being said, Double Standards is still one of my favorite books no matter how dated it is in 2011 :). I also wonder if updating an older contemporary would somehow "ruin" the book for me? If Double Standards was rewritten, the whole storyline would have to be changed....the sexual harrassment is throughout the whole book and it would have to be removed because that definitely wouldn't fly in a 21st century, "politically correct" novel.

As long as I'm aware that the "new" released book is a reissued book with a new cover then I can decide if I want to buy it for the new cover or not (yeah, the original Sawyer cover is pretty bad..lol). If there are enhanced scenes or it has been rewritten to update the book, then I like to have that stated on the cover (Judith McNaught's Every Breath You Take reissue has "Special Edition: Includes New Bonus Scenes" on the front cover).


message 5: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster That makes sense. But that's something that the publisher would have to agree to, and not all of them will. Hmmm... Plenty to think about!
But I'm starting to believe it's best to just leave the books alone. ;-)

Hugs!

Lori


message 6: by Cindy (new)

Cindy I loved your Buckhorn Brothers series. I do not agree with "spruce up" on a reissue. I couldnt imagine Morgan's book any different than it is.. An author who shall remane nameless redid an old series of hers. But she changed the order of the books, rewrote them (change one book that in the original it was cattle rustling and she changed it to stealing of trucks and she changed a sex scene that was so freggin hot in the original to something that wansnt) the rewrite made no sense (if you had already read the original) and it killed what was a great story. The old adage applies - if it aint broke dont fix it.. I agree that the covers of the Buckhorn series could use updating (I own all the paperbacks in this series - wasnt easy to get :) but thats it..


message 7: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Well see, that was my question: are they broken? LOL
I'm glad you like them as is!
Thanks,

Lori


message 8: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster (BTW - veeeery curious about the author who shall remain nameless!)


message 9: by Dee (new)

Dee I agree with most of the comments here. I don't think you need to touch them at all.

I hadn't read any of your books before and picked up the Buckhorn Brothers about 18 months ago and I fast became a fan of yours. I could see from the covers that they were written a few years ago and I agree with Karen when she said that when they are re-released maybe the publisher could put a note on the inside cover stating what dates they were originally released and the original titles and at least that way readers are aware they were written a few years ago and that certain things may be slightly outdated.

BTW - I do agree that the original cover for Sawyer was really bad :) When I read a story I like to look at the cover and it kind of annoys me when the person on the front doesn't fit the character I am reading about and that one really didn't so getting rid of that can only be a good thing :)

Dee
xx


message 10: by Dee (new)

Dee Lori wrote: "(BTW - veeeery curious about the author who shall remain nameless!)"

Yeah I am very curious about who this author is as well :)


message 11: by Cindy (new)

Cindy :) some hints - the original series on Ellora's Cave was called The Wild series. Jarrod Savage was the hero and Catie Wilds the heroine..


message 12: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Hmmm... maybe it was erotica? I haven't read any so I'm still clueless. LOL.
But that's okay. I don't want to upset any authors. I know they all work as hard as I do - and that's pretty darned hard!
Hugs,

Lori


message 13: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Dee, they've been reissued twice since then, both times with MUCH better covers! Course, not sure how they could have been worse, because the originals were pretty darned awful.
But with the volume of books Hqn does, it's no wonder that a few will get stinker covers now and then.

Thanks!

Lori


message 14: by Cindy (new)

Cindy There are some authors that do no list there earlier books that they did and were published on EC. I dont understand that as in the beginning every author has to go with the publisher that first buys there stories. I could be totally off base here but it seems to me like the author is ashamed of them and then to re-release them and to totally change every book in that series to me felt like a slap in the face of us readers that had become fans of theirs through there earlier work. So for me I still have the "first" released books and just have chosen not to purchase the new versions (except for the one and I couldnt even get through it) But hopefully someone that has never read the earlier books will like the new versions and become of fan. I am not bashing the author in any way.. I own alot of her books but that just threw me. Its like if someone remade Gone with the Wind - sorry there is nothing like the original..


message 15: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Cindy, all readers are different! I'm sure as many that love her earlier work, love her later work. An author must always go with her heart on writing what she loves to write. That's probably the case here.

I was so fortunate that I got sold writing what I love, so I never had to switch things up any. I'm right where I want to be. But that's not true for all authors.

The market is *very* tight, and with pirated books stealing so much from authors and publishers... well, the market has gotten tighter still!

I think we're off track here a bit now, though. LOL. Happens to me all the time when I start chatting!

With all of you being so kind, I'm sort of glad now that I didn't have time to spruce up the originals!

Giant hugs to all!

Lori


message 16: by Cindy (new)

Cindy ohh and to answer another of your questions - can a book be to dated.. Linda Howards to me is a prime example that is not true.. I can still read her books from the early 80's and love them. What's the saying - they are timeless.. And I feel that way about your Buckhorn brothers series..


message 17: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster I'm a HUGE Linda Howard fan. And yes, her earlier Mackenzie guys... yum! I hope she never touches them!

Hugs,

Lori


message 18: by Pamela(AllHoney) (new)

Pamela(AllHoney) In answer to your question... I agree if it isn't broke don't fix it but if the writer has grown through the years and knows that her/his earlier work could use some revisions go ahead but be sure to let the reader know that its a revised story of such and such.


message 19: by Dee (new)

Dee Pamela(AllHoney) wrote: "In answer to your question... I agree if it isn't broke don't fix it but if the writer has grown through the years and knows that her/his earlier work could use some revisions go ahead but be sure ..."

I agree and at least that way we can make a choice if we want to purchase the newer version and read it!


message 20: by Dee (new)

Dee Lori wrote: "Dee, they've been reissued twice since then, both times with MUCH better covers! Course, not sure how they could have been worse, because the originals were pretty darned awful.
But with the volume..."


Yes I have now got them with the newer covers :). I originally borrowed Sawyer's story from a friend who of course had had the book/collection for quite a few years and I could see that they were well read and loved. She had a huge collection of your books and recommended that I try one so after reading about Sawyer I went in hunt of the collection for my own bookshelves and have continued to buy some of your older and newer works.

I have just got your Men Who Walk The Edge of Honor series and am looking forward to reading them. When the first one came out I checked on your website and found that there was going to be a few in the collection. When reading a series I like to read them all together as I get impatient with having to wait for the next story so have held out for a few months and waited for the last one to hit the shelves :)


message 21: by Diana (new)

Diana Harper You See Lori, you thought you might need to do something but really readers do understand time frames of when the books were written. And as one that was reading you when you first came out under Harlequin and still have all the original books, don't spruce them up. If you have to change the cover that is ok if we are told that it is a reprint that way I will still keep my originals and just drool over the new covers. LOL thanks for understanding.


message 22: by Kari (new)

Kari I recently read this series and I thought they were great as they are. To me older books should stay the way they were written. It just shows growth over time. It is fun to immerse myself in the era in which they were written. Besides I think books get better with age!


message 23: by K.J. (last edited Jul 03, 2011 01:56AM) (new)

K.J. Reed Just a quick hint to those who are always concerned about picking up a book that they might already own (but whose publisher has changed the title to)...

Check the book's info page. There should be a copyright date. So even if the book has a brand new cover that looks completely different than the original, the copyright will still say the original year it was published. So, in going to my shelf right now and grabbing a book that I bought in Target last year, but I knew was a republished book, it's Nora Roberts' Brazen Virtue. Bought it last year (or maybe early 2011). But when you open it up to the publisher info on the first page, it still says: "Copyright 1988: Nora Roberts." (Which I already knew, and bought the book anyway. But just an example of how, even when the book was printed in 2010, the copyright is still 1988. So they can't hide that part.)

I learned this trick when I first got into romance and started devouring every contemporary book in my library. I'd read something and start thinking "What the...a pay phone? What?!" Then I realized I could start looking at the front of the book to check when it was published, and that usually answered any lingering questions I had over time-sensitive things. And somehow, knowing for sure the book was originally from '95 helped in my expectations. But frankly, if the story is good, then the lack of a cell phone isn't going to throw me off anyway. I might pause to double check the original publication date, but it's not going to hurt the book in my mind. If the lack of a cell phone starts to annoy me, it's likely because the book is lacking in other areas. (Luckily...I've already read the Buckhorn Brothers--thank you Kindle!--and no problems! Loved them.)

So if you read the back of a book, and it sounds familiar but you're just not sure...check the inside page of the book. It's almost always the very first page of the book, right before the dedication/acknowledgements or the first page of chapter 1. That should almost always tell you when the book was copyrighted, giving you a good hint if it's a reprint or not! :)


message 24: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Diana, thank you!
I have my "related books and series page," and my "reissue" page on my website to TRY to help readers so they don't buy the same old book, just because it has a new cover. LOL. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.
I also have all my books on my website labeled as to whether they're new or reissued. But the publisher isn't keen on putting that on the cover. Maybe a few more years down the road the will. ;-)

Happy Sunday,

Lori


message 25: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Thanks Kari!
Some of my absolute favorites are oldies by... well, Jayne Ann Krentz, Linda Howard, Catherine Coulter, Julie Garwood, Johanna Lindsey, etc... I love them for what they are, and recognize how the authors' voices have changed over time.

I think you've all convinced me! :-)

Lori


message 26: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Thanks KJ! Very true. The copyright never changes - the original is always listed. And that can explain a lot!

Hugs to all,

Lori


message 27: by Jen (new)

Jen I'm with KJ and for the same reason. They reissue a lot of Nora Roberts' books and will change the title. I learned to look at the copyright.

I also agree with the others Lori, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It would be like trying to change an old friend when you like the friend the way it is. ; -)


message 28: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster LOL. Well put, KJ!


message 29: by Agatha (new)

Agatha I also have your earlier books and reread them, like them as they are, love the new covers though!Lori you are the writer ,you have to make these decisions, but keep writing!That is all I'm asking !Agatha


message 30: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Thanks Agatha. I totally agree that as the writer, I have decisions to make. ;-) Just read a review where the reviewer said ONE word ruined the book for her. LOL. Sort of cracked me up.
Recently, a reader requested that I never use a specific word again. Man, if I started tallying up the individual words that readers didn't like, I'd run out of words to use in a book! LOL

Lori


message 31: by Dee (new)

Dee Lori wrote: " Just read a review where the reviewer said ONE word ruined the book for her. LOL. Sort of cracked me up.
."


Oh dear...that does seem really picky. The problem is you can't please all of us all the time, we all have our favourites and one's that we didnt really enjoy but then I think that is to be expected.

I agree with Agatha and will back up what she says and I also request that you keep writing :)

Dee
xx


message 32: by Agatha (new)

Agatha Lori, Can't believe readers ask you to not use a word,sounds very old-fashioned or something. Strange!
it is your choice you wrote books keep writing the same ,don't change for anyone! I love your books and can't think of one word to change. People ought to appreciate the time an author devotes to her writing, and not criticize. Hugs! Agatha


message 33: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster I'm kind of cracking up here. The reviewer who said my book went from like an A to B- (maybe even a C) based on ONE word, is now flipping out because some readers disagreed with her. I never mentioned the reviewer, or the site, and I have no idea who the readers are. Most say they don't even like my books, they just didn't agree with changing the grade of a review based on one word.
I think it made my day, ya know? LOL.
Ah well, on to my work!

You all rule. Have an awesome day!


message 34: by Lisa (new)

Lisa If the book is a work of fiction, I don't think it needs to be updated. If the book is a nonfiction piece, then I think there should be some effort to update depending upon how the events involved have changed as new information comes up.


message 35: by Kathryn (new)

Kathryn Lori
I have just finished the Kindle bundle of Buckhorn brothers and was so relieved to find Casey's story to download. Really loved the family! I haven't read any of your other books, but that will be remedied in the future. So a happy reader off to finish Casey's story.


message 36: by Agatha (new)

Agatha Kathryn, You will love Lori's books, the series right now and her past books! Agatha


message 37: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Thanks Agatha! :-)


message 38: by DianeG (new)

DianeG Lori wrote: "I'm a HUGE Linda Howard fan. And yes, her earlier Mackenzie guys... yum! I hope she never touches them!

Hugs,

Lori"


I love the Mackenzie Clan!!


message 39: by DianeG (new)

DianeG I read the Buckhorn Brothers about 5 years ago--one of the first series of yours I read. I loved them. I agree with those who would like to know if it's a reissue (especially under a different title) or if changes have been made. I don't mind the "dated" stuff like typewriters/car phones/etc. What I absolutely hate is name typos and time errors. Please don't ask me to ignore the fact that a scene takes place late night Friday and then hours and hours pass and it's early Saturday morning. I love to have the times/dates/ages mentioned, but the logic part of me wants them all to agree with each other.


message 40: by Agatha (new)

Agatha Booklover, that wasn't the question! That's why authors have proof readers and editors! Sorry but Lori's books are reread a lot of the time by people that like her as an author. I haven't read one book of Lori's that has hours or dates ,ages mentioned that would confine a person to read her books! Just a Lori Foster fan! Agatha


message 41: by DianeG (new)

DianeG Agatha wrote: "Booklover, that wasn't the question! That's why authors have proof readers and editors! Sorry but Lori's books are reread a lot of the time by people that like her as an author. I haven't read one ..."

I never meant to insinuate that Lori's books were like that. She mentioned other things besides outdated items (verbal rambling, awkward dialog, etc) so I commented on what I hate and wouldn't mind having fixed in reissues. Otherwise, I like reading the book the way it was first written.


message 42: by Agatha (new)

Agatha booklover, Never meant to that you disliked Lori's books. Sorry I interfered in your response! Agatha


❤️ Dorsey aka Wrath Lover Reviews ❤️ I LOVE all your books just the way they are!!! I know sometimes covers get changed and I have no problem with that but keep the original book intact!!


message 44: by Vivian (new)

Vivian This the way I see things. Why reissue when we read such stories as back in historical times and publishers don't try to change things in those books. See the meaning?


message 45: by Lori (new)

Lori Foster Sorry I lost track of this thread, everyone. I've been under one deadline after another, and now with the holidays upon us, I'm pretty harried. But I'm getting caught up and HOPE I'll finish my current work in progress "WIP" today. Whew.
Booklover, I wasn't offended! I knew what you meant.
Agatha, thank you for your dedication.
Dorsey, that seems to be the overall opinion - don't change them! :-)
Vivian, thanks. You have a point there! LOL

If you ladies have a moment, here's a wonderful holiday tribute (very short) from some of my author friends, a few readers, and me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmw7Tu...

Here's hoping you're all having the warmest, safest, healthiest holiday season ever!

Hugs!


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