Why the fuck would I want cranberries with chicken: Okay, I get it now.

Why the fuck would I want cranberries with chicken: Okay, I get it now.:

bat-woman:

gailsimone:

wholelottadicks:

gailsimone:

strikematchlightfiyah:

'Chicken slut' is a stone's throw away from 'chicken head.' "Chicken head" was used a lot in the 80s/90s hip-hop circuit to describe women who gave sexual favors in order to fit into a male rapper's inner circle. I'm not sure if that the reference being used, but it's the only thing I can link…

Wow, that IS bad. I admit I hadn't heard that one.

I did do some searches at the time for 'chickensluts,' and at the time I couldn't find any DIRECT reference to it as being in anything like common usage.  But that was several years back and now I do the same search and it comes up a lot, mostly a self-applied term, it looks like.

I do think the chicken thing is problematic. It's a chicken restaurant, but they're not as famous for fried chicken„ it's the chicken and dumplings that is the big deal. So the 'chicken' reference seemed more disconnected in context.

But yeah, there's enough shitty stuff out there about POCs and chicken that it would have been kinder and smarter to not mention chicken at all.

I apologize to anyone offended by this scene. Again, the statement here is parodying racist portrayals, not black men. But particularly out of context, shit, that line is pretty thin to see.

well but its not just the chicken thing, its also that… the only speaking black man in the scene is also saying something misogynist, which is a pretty common stereotype about black men; theyre trashy and sexist as opposed to white men who are innocent and sophisticated, which… this scene seems to portray with no satire

Okay, and I appreciate your comment here.

But I still have to say, the most heroic person in the room is also black, and she's also on the page.  And 'innocent and sophisticated?' Honestly, the two other characters speaking, the two white guys?

SPOILER ALERT

They turn out to be the villains of the book, they're both scumbags. Emoticon turns out to be a hero, they turn out to be vile, murderous douchebags. And at least one of them is far less sophisticated than Emo, in any case. But the villains aren't Emoticon, they're the two sweet old white men sitting at the table.

This is the problem with going by one panel or one page.  Emoticon DOES have a problem with women, but when one is threatened later in the series, HE becomes the hero who risks his life to save her.

x_x Okay I wasn't going to comment on this (and yes I guess that's what they all say) but

that doesn't change the fact that:

It is still a white woman who is writing a parody of a POC (even if that parody is of a "very specific" stereotype generated by other white writers)
The POC in question must go through a redemptive arc to begin with. That's a huge problem. That he starts off in this low, misogynistic place, and has to climb to the top. Because, you know, POC don't start off heroic. They have to work to become that way. Meanwhile there are all these white folks just sitting around being heroes because they were born to be heroes.

It's a problem with a lot of layers. :\

That's an interesting point, too…Hmm.

Okay, that's fair.  All I will say at the same time is, MOST of the characters I love the most have a redemptive arc. Canary, Huntress, Catman, Scandal, even Wonder Woman. And Emo isn't the only redemptive arc in the book, even, as Coyote Kid, Henry Hate, and Mayor Fury also have them, just off the top of my head.

I LIKE stories about survival and redemption.

Still, I take your point…I need to give that one some thought!