[Just Joshin] Moving Target: Who are Book Reviews Really For?

I did my column for Jessewave this week, and the topic was the new --
and not always healthy -- changing relationship between reviewers and
authors.

Now the purpose of the column was not to hurt anyone's feelings --
these columns are never intended to hurt feelings, but merely to
introduce a topic of discussion that I think needs...discussing.

Anyway, it quickly became clear that many reviewers were
hurt/resentful/indignant -- or just plain surprised -- at the idea that
authors might not read their own reviews.

And in a way this gets right to the heart of the conflict. Reviewers
say that they write reviews for readers, not authors. When authors
unwisely respond to reviews that seem unfair or inaccurate or malicious
or whatever, the authors are generally slammed with the Crazy stamp,
reminded that reviews are for readers and not authors, and sent away to
bed without supper.

You see what I'm getting at?

You can't justify writing anything you like, no matter how unfair or
offensive, based on reviews-are-for-readers-not-authors but then be
upset at the idea authors might choose not to read those reviews. You
can't insist that you don't need any qualifications or credentials or
standards or anything but your personal opinion, but then be outraged
if authors dare to suggest they aren't going to listen to you.

We've got this nutty conflict where we want authors to regard our
reviews as they would regard a review in the New Yorker, but we don't
want to be restrained or inhibited in anything we say -- nor is the
author allowed to respond. Any response is considered a flagrant
violation of the reviewer/author rules of conduct.

But those rules of conduct are changing because reviewing itself is
changing.

And you can't have it both ways. You can't insist that you're free to
write anything you want without any restriction because you're "writing
for readers not authors" but then be angry or hurt if authors choose
not to read and interact with you. Or if we do interact in a way you
don't like, throw the, er, book at us for violating the Code of Conduct.

It was very clear from the comments to the post that many reviewers do
write partially for the writer, and that they hope their reviews will
have some effect for good on the writer. So I suspect that we all need
to stop pretending that reviews are only for readers because in this
new reviewer/author paradigm, some reviewers are most certainly hoping
to influence authors. Why are we pretending otherwise?

Now what does that ultimately mean for all of us? I have no idea. It's
the starting point of the discussion, not the answer. I think it means
we all need to be a little more self-aware of how we're interacting and
what our real expectations are.
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Published on April 14, 2011 08:57
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message 1: by Sharon (new)

Sharon There are lots of romance authors who don't follow their reviews, doesn't bother me :) They have their reasons. Reviews are subjective and one mans/womans trash is another ones treasure. I think that should be the attitude a reviewer takes. Are there really reviewers out there that get miffed cause an author doesn't respond? Get a grip people


message 2: by Josh (new)

Josh Are there really reviewers out there that get miffed cause an author doesn't respond?

I'm sure there are plenty of reviewers who prefer authors to keep a professional distance. I was surprised at how many seemed genuinely perturbed that authors might take reviews-are-for-readers to the logical conclusion.


message 3: by Sharon (new)

Sharon I was thinking...(and yes, I needed a nap afterward ) Reviewers need authors, other wise they would have nothing to do, authors need/want good reviews cause that can help sell more books. So...can't we all just get along?


message 4: by Josh (new)

Josh Sharon wrote: "I was thinking...(and yes, I needed a nap afterward ) Reviewers need authors, other wise they would have nothing to do, authors need/want good reviews cause that can help sell more books. So...can'..."

EXACTLY. Why would this have to be a hostile relationship when the thing that fuels all of us is the love of stories and writing and fiction?


message 5: by Ayesh (new)

Ayesh Josh wrote: "Why would this have to be a hostile relationship when the thing that fuels all of us is the love of stories and writing and fiction? ..."

Wish every1 would think positive like you ; but too bad they don't ....


message 6: by Josh (new)

Josh Wish every1 would think positive like you ; but too bad they don't ....

Some people are vested in the hostile relationship because it feeds their egos. Ego drives a lot of what happens in life!


message 7: by Ayesh (new)

Ayesh Josh wrote: "Some people are vested in the hostile relationship because it feeds their egos. Ego drives a lot of what happens in life!"

Very true and real =[
But don't worry your fans will always support you no matter what


message 8: by Josh (new)

Josh Bella wrote: "Josh wrote: "Some people are vested in the hostile relationship because it feeds their egos. Ego drives a lot of what happens in life!"

Very true and real =[
But don't worry your fans will always ..."


Thanks, Bella!


message 9: by Ayesh (new)

Ayesh Josh wrote: "Bella wrote: "Josh wrote: "Some people are vested in the hostile relationship because it feeds their egos. Ego drives a lot of what happens in life!"

Very true and real =[
But don't worry your ..."


U r welcome ^_^


message 10: by Jen (new)

Jen I personally feel that reviews should be written for readers and not authors. I kinda question the motive of someone writing a review who would be writing if for the author anyway.... You are either writing it to get on the author's good side, or you are writing it to hurt their feelings. Either way, it's questionable.

I wonder if it isn't somewhat egotistical to think that an author would have time (or emotional desire) to read your review specifically. If I were a writer I would probably want someone to read them for me and compile a general "feeling" of how the public is responding to the book. People can be hurtful and the anonymous nature of the Internet makes it even easier for people to be cruel.

As a side note: my favorite reviews tend to be ones that talk about what works and what doesn't work...that way, it can be a mixture of both the good and the bad... But at least I feel it is a little bit more honest and the target of that kind of review is me, the reader! And hey, I'm egotistical too! :D


Emanuela ~plastic duck~ I think we should first find an understanding of what a Reviewer is. If we equate Reviewer with Literary Critic, I guess there are only few people who have earned that title and they have probably something to say that could benefit the author.

If we equate Reviewer with people who know what they're talking about, because they've read hundred of books, they have a good ability to put into words their thoughts, they have a good eye for catching the good, the bad and the ugly in a book, there might be more of them, but should they claim to have the authority to state their opinions and ask for some kind of recognition? Even in this case I think they're reviewing for readers (and for themselves?) and they shouldn't try to make an author respond. I can't see the point in that, apart from self-satisfaction.

I think the use of the word Reviews on sites like Amazon or GoodReads is a bit misleading, because they are essentially opinions, loose thoughts, gut feelings. I know that what I write here is something to fix what I was feeling just after the end of the book. I think these are really for fellow readers and no one else.


message 12: by Josh (new)

Josh Merry, I used to try to keep up with each and every one, and I'll still send a quick thanks if someone lets me know they've posted a review, but it got to the point where I was spending way too much time trying to interact with everyone.

Just from a practical standpoint, if you post a comment at one site, what about the sites you miss? I used to get grief for that.


Or if you do post a comment and then the blogger or some of the other readers of the blog post comments/questions to you, it goes from being a quick thanks! to an impromptu chat.

As fun as that was, the logistics of the thing were increasingly out of control. Especially because I'm already stretched to the max with my online presence.

If you have to collect your own reviews, the best way to do it is save the links up and read them all at once. It takes any sting out and it also keeps the swelled head down because so many of the reviews contradict each other on various points. Once I started doing that, I realized that most of the time there wasn't anything practial for me to take away. It was nice for my ego or hard on my ego, but as far as something useful, practical...? Not so much.


message 13: by Josh (new)

Josh I think a lot of that confusion with semantics came from writers wanting to be able to use quotes from different sites as "reviews," so suddenly everyone was a reviewer and there was a push, maybe unconscious, to give every opinion the same amount of credibility.

And informal opionions, word of mouth, goes a long way toward selling books. No doubt about it.

Those informal, heartfelt opinions can be just as gratifying or disappointing for an author -- we all want everyone to love our books.


message 14: by [deleted user] (new)

Oh my.. I surely do hope authors don't read my reviews since they are mostly negative. I tend to skip writing positive reviews unless I think someone who follows my updates might be interested. I write those reviews for myself when I need to vent or for organizing my thoughts.


message 15: by Josh (new)

Josh Suhi wrote: "Oh my.. I surely do hope authors don't read my reviews since they are mostly negative. I tend to skip writing positive reviews unless I think someone who follows my updates might be interested. I ..."


Most people are moved to "review" either because they love something or they hate something. "It was fine" doesn't generally move someone to review, unless they consider themselves a "reviewer" and have a deadline.

Needing to organize your negative thoughts in public is an interesting approach. :-D Don't you need to organize your positive thoughts too?


message 16: by [deleted user] (last edited Apr 23, 2011 07:34AM) (new)

Josh wrote: Most people are moved to "review" either because they love something or they hate something.

Right on...That is totally true, in all honesty I write reviews when I books gives something to think about and something to day...and I write them for other readers, I am rarely thinking about the author other than expressing what I liked or disliked from the writing.

I'm no Literary Critic...so I don't even contemplate having any kind of effect with my review...But I do know what I like and what I don't so I like...so I share and I look for the reviews friends' and bloggers' that have like minded tastes with.

I avoid most "professional critics" I think at one point I grew weary of underhanded comments and undertones and attitudes that just irritated me and ruined my reading experience.


message 17: by Josh (new)

Josh Lauraadriana wrote: "Josh wrote: Most people are moved to "review" either because they love something or they hate something.

Right on...That is totally true, in all honesty I write reviews when I books gives somethin..."


That makes sense. It takes time and energy to organize your thoughts enough for a review, so something has to fuel it -- usually passion for the book and the characters OR loathing.

Goodreads is the right venue for just jotting down general thoughts and notes on what you read, and it's simple to use and then you can share with other readers, so it's mostly a social site than happens to be about books. Nothing to object to there! :-D


message 18: by Cleon Lee (new)

Cleon Lee Josh wrote: "Lauraadriana wrote: "Josh wrote: Most people are moved to "review" either because they love something or they hate something.

Right on...That is totally true, in all honesty I write reviews when..."


Yup, Goodreads make it easy to organize books, rate, and discuss books with fellow readers. There are many many books and authors I discover after I participate here. It also gives me chance to discuss and rant, something I can't do in Real Life.

What drives me to write review is passion, either love or hate. If the book is just meh.. well, I don't need to make myself review it. I am impulsive, so sometimes the drive to review is not for the best in my case, as I've told you before.


message 19: by Mary (new)

Mary There have been times I've read readers attacking other readers for their reviews. I've seen comments and replies from authors to readers defending their work when there's a negative review; as well as readers reviewing author's works harshly-almost to the point of turning it into personal attacks and criticism on the author's real life.

I rarely write reviews. But I know once it is out there I have no control over who reads it. Truly I write it because I just want to share what I felt about a particular book and that's all.


message 20: by Josh (new)

Josh Mary wrote: "There have been times I've read readers attacking other readers for their reviews. I've seen comments and replies from authors to readers defending their work when there's a negative review; as wel..."

That partly happens because when someone ridicules or criticizes an author or a book you love or you think is wonderful, that person is inadvertently criticizing YOU. Or so it feels. Of course it's not any more intended to offend other readers anymore than it is the author (usually), but that's still how it feels.

After all, if you love something and someone else says that it was unrealistic or silly or trite, they are, by default, criticizing your taste. So it isn't merely the author that these people are defending. It's the perception that maybe they're aren't as smart or sophisticated or well-read as the reviewer.


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