Scrambled Eggs, the Philosophy of Hate

April 14, 2016
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message 1: by Andrew (last edited Apr 21, 2016 07:39PM) (new)

Andrew I find it interesting that the man who wrote Speaker for the Dead, a book ostensibly about tolerance and understanding, seems to make no effort to understand or tolerate those who disagree with him (while complaining that they don't understand or tolerate him).
I'm a progressive and a liberal (and a North Carolinian). I believe trans people should be allowed to use the bathrooms of their choosing. Can people on my side of the issues be somewhat totalitarian in the way they express themselves? Certainly. Every group of people has a vocal, dictatorial minority that often becomes the face of the movement. I take issue with Card's assumption that we of the progressive persuasion (or "Established Church") are motivated out of malice, just as much as Card would take umbrage to my association of his point of view with malice. We just happen to have fundamentally different views on many aspects of modern society. As a progressive, I am not content with the status quo and want to move forward on a liberal course. This is why I always push further on liberal causes. In my opinion, legal protections for LGBT folks (including bathroom rights) are civil rights and civil rights shouldn't optional. We don't allow businesses to have racially segregated bathrooms, we shouldn't allow them to deny these rights to transgender people. Card may say that the difference is that LGBT issues are religious in nature while racial ones are not. Of course, I recall that Card's Mormon Church had a lot of colorful things to say about black folks at one time. Maybe the Mormon Church can evolve on this issue too.


message 2: by Beth (new)

Beth Uncle Orson, I tried to share your essay to my facebook feed, but there wasn't a way. Then I clicked on the "email page" button at the bottom. But that link is dead. Finally, I was forced to copypaste. When you want your rants in support of commonsense to go viral, you have to make it easier on us!!


message 3: by Dalton (last edited Apr 23, 2016 02:53PM) (new)

Dalton Annnd there's Andrew coming right out of the gates with the oh-so-overdone "intolerance accusation" when, ironically, that's just the guise this posting reveals the Total Conformists to be using to implement their mob rule. Thank you for not disappointing!

""All we wanted was a more open, tolerant society." Yeah, but it sure looked like all you wanted was to Get Your Way and Shut Everybody Else Up."

This posting was brilliant, OSC. Im thankful that someone has finally put so eloquently into words the frustrated thoughts of the American majority. (Hope this comment doesn't get me kicked off the Established Church's love list)


message 4: by Andrew (new)

Andrew Hello Dalton. I'm really not sure you saw the point of my post if you feel I was attempting to shut anyone up. Whether or not my "intolerance accusation" is overdone or not, that doesn't necessarily make it untrue.

There's no rule that says the virtues of the characters must be found in the author, but since Ender is the protagonist of Card's most beloved series, let's assume that Card considers Ender's virtues to be admirable. In Speaker for the Dead (I'm assuming you've read it). Ender is confronted with an alien civilization that brutally murders a couple scientists. Ender patiently seeks to understand this foreign culture and ultimately understand that the whole episode meant something different to the "Piggies" than it did to the humans. Once again, I'm assuming that Card desires Ender to be admired. It seems to me, that if Ender can seek understanding and tolerance with this seemingly violent and "savage" civilization, that Card to bother to try and figure out why gay or transgender people are the way they are. No matter the personal politics involved, I can't ever see Ender writing a blog post against any type of people, liberal or conservative, gay or straight, atheist or Mormon. Perhaps it's too much to hold up Card to his fictional protagonist. Regardless, Ender gives far more consideration to the "Piggies" and the "Buggers" than Card gives to transgender people or liberals.

Feel free to respond with an actual argument this time.


message 5: by Dalton (new)

Dalton I need no argument because yours is one giant strawman. Card in no way attacked gay or transgenders. He criticized this radical push for change in bathroom culture. Of course Conformists' arguments are generally built around victimization so, once again, way to stick to the script!


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