One of history's more fascinating What Ifs

On this date in 1483, Edward IV died, just a few weeks shy of his 41st birthday. We sometimes play the What If game here. Well, Edward’s death offers a gigantic What if. Had he not died prematurely, had he lived another ten or fifteen years, the consequences of that would be mind-boggling. His son would have been grown at the time of his eventual death and most likely would have succeeded to the throne. It is impossible to say what would have happened then. We can only be sure of the obvious. No King Richard III. No Shakespeare play. No Sunne in Splendour. No Tudors! Would England have remained Catholic? Or would it have heeded Martin Luther’s siren song? Who knows? But it is fascinating to speculate about it.
April 9th 1137 was also the death date of Eleanor’s father, William, the 10th Duke of Aquitaine, He was only thirty-eight. And on this date in 1413, Henry V was crowned as King of England.
April 9th is often given as the death date for Richard III and Anne Neville’s son, Edward of Middleham. I’ve always been skeptical of this; it sounded like Tudor propaganda, for if Richard’s son had died on the same day as his brother, it would seem as if it was the punishment of God for his sin in claiming the throne and supposedly putting his nephews to death. The Croyland Chronicler was not a friend to Richard, but this is what he wrote:
“However, in a short time after, it was fully seen how vain are the thoughts of a man who desires to establish his interests without the aid of God. For, in the following month of April, on a day not very far distant from the anniversary of king Edward, this only son of his, in whom all the hopes of the royal succession, fortified with so many oaths, were centred, was seized with an illness of but short duration, and died at Middleham Castle, in the year of our Lord, 1484, being the first of the reign of the said king Richard. On hearing the news of this, at Nottingham, where they were then residing, you might have seen his father and mother in a state almost bordering on madness, by reason of their sudden grief.”
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Outlander fans probably already know that the new season begins tonight on Starz; sadly, still 15 days to wait for Game of Thrones. Oh, and it is snowing here, with snow flake the size of baseballs. Maybe I should have named my new laptop Mother Nature instead of Diablo, for she seems to share his perverse sense of humor.
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Published on April 09, 2016 11:45
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message 1: by Susan (last edited Apr 09, 2016 12:24PM) (new)

Susan Last month I pulled the plug on cable. It was a hard decision because I will definitely miss watching Game of Thrones, House of Cards and Outlander on a weekly basis. I will have to wait until they are available on DVD. I realized I was spending a ridiculous amount of money each month on TV and books. I had to jettison one or the other. My book budget won the battle.


message 2: by Sharon (new)

Sharon Susan, HBO Go will allow you to watch Game of Thrones even if you don't subscribe to HBO. I don't know what it costs; I assume it charges per episode. You might want to check it out. And of course books win out over TV! That is not even a fair fight.


message 3: by Marcus (new)

Marcus Pailing Hi Sharon. Although I don't tend to go in for speculative history, Edward IV's death does perhaps provide one of the biggest crisis points - along with Richard III's death itself, of course. Particularly interesting is the question that you raise about the future of religion in England - my instinct says that there would have been no top-down Reformation; but, of course, there wouldn't have been had Catherine of Aragon given Henry VIII a son. So it's impossible to say how far Lutheran (and Zwinglian, later) ideas would have penetrated the kingdom, because it would have depended on the circumstances prevailing at the time. After all, had Edward V lived to reign after his father, who knows what might have happened? It's a fascinating question, indeed.


message 4: by Terelyn (new)

Terelyn Marks I love the What Ifs of history -- it's a favorite game with some of my other history buff friends.


message 5: by RJay (new)

RJay Another What If that naturally follows is "What kind of king would Edward V have made?" In hindsight, we see so many kings paying so little attention to raising their sons to be good rulers. Certainly, H2 failed for the most part. John's son H3 didn't turn out so well either - but then Edward I followed him. Maybe he learned how to be strong by watching a weak father? Then there's Edward II - what a mess he turned out to be. Again, did Edward III learn how to be a good ruler through watching his father fail? Too bad Edward of Woodstock (Black Prince) died before his father - in this case maybe an "if only..." He certainly was raised to be a great leader - if a spendthrift! Then came Richard II - again raised rather spoiled and privileged. He lost his crown to Henry Bolingbroke, Henry IV. It just went on and on .... very sad that the Plantagenets didn't learn very well from the past. So, give this pattern, would Edward V have been a good king? I doubt it. He was spoiled, privileged and likely felt totally "entitled". I do think Richard III would have been a great king, had he survived Bosworth. He believed that a king should represent and protect his people, thus his innovations in the justice system.


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