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March 6, 2018
The Berkshire of Software, with Savneet Singh – [Invest Like the Best, EP.79]
My guest this week is another in a recent series of people that makes me want to work harder, learn more, and do more for others. His name is Savneet Singh, and he has already accomplished a remarkable amount in the worlds of business and investing. He’s preferred to keep a bit of a low profile, but I’m hoping, for everyone’s sake, to change that a little bit (so see the show notes for where you can read him and follow him). Follow him on twitter here.
Savneet has invested in unique things like Spanish real estate, famous startups like Uber, cryptocurrencies before they were cool, and even websites. He founded and built a fintech company. And now, he both a partner at the wide-ranging investment firm CoVenture, with my previous guest Ali Hamed, and the co-founder of Tera Holdings, which is trying to become the Berkshire Hathaway of software companies.
To say this conversation is wide-ranging is an understatement. What’s neat is that my favorite parts aren’t even on investing, but are instead on principles for living.
Savneet is one of the best people I’ve met in this journey. I’ve had several other conversations with him with shockingly low overlap with the one you are about to hear—a testament to his active and curious mind. I hope you enjoy learning from him as much as I have.
Links Referenced
Ali Hamed podcast episolde
The VERY simple bear case for bitcoin
Books Referenced
Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist
The Gorilla Game: Picking Winners in High Technology
Show Notes
2:30 – (First Question) – How Savneet started thinking about Spanish real estate.
4:29 – Why Airbnb could be the most impactful and interesting of the companies like this
5:25 – Savneet’s early entrepreneurial ventures
6:42 – His big investing influences
7:02 – Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist
7:40 – What did Savneet learn in his two years on the sell-side of Wall Street
8:50 – How the financial crisis impacted Savneet
10:11 – The entrepreneurial journey and GBI
11:40 – Savneet’s observations on the FinTech space and investing in it
14:59 – How we can use FinTech to get into an actual new business
16:22 – His thoughts on venture capital style investing
18:36 – Transition out of GBI into his partnership with Ali Hamed
20:46 – What Savneet took from his tennis career
22:13 – The impactful things that his parents did for him
23:23 – How Savneet thinks about justice in his life
24:39 – Most memorable trip Savneet took
25:50 – Why you have to take action
26:19 – Why value investing struck a chord with Savneet
27:22 – How culture plays an important role in the compounding companies he would invest in
28:14 – Defining the proper long-term mindset when starting a company
29:44 – Back to culture of successful compounding companies
31:21 – Knowing what he knows now, what does he think about Berkshire today
33:22 – The strategy behind Terra and how it came together
35:00 – His checklist for deciding to invest in a firm
37:31 – How do they think about the defensibility of the companies they invest in
39:58 – The importance of cyclicality in the customer base of companies they invest in
41:38 – Why does Savneet think this is the space he wants to remain in for the long-term
44:39 – How they are thinking about pricing a company they invest in
47:03 – Lessons learned in sales and marketing that he can and will bring to the software world
52:05 – What Savneet has learned from Constellation
54:39 – What does Savneet’s funnel for bringing in new companies look like
56:31 – What helps to drive a lot of conversion for them
59:08 – What lessons has Savneet learned about taxes in their company structure
1:00:32 – How does Terra think about diversification
1:02:13 – How they think about capital sourcing
1:05:08 – His balanced view on crypto as an asset class
1:05:18 – The VERY simple bear case for bitcoin
1:09:45 – Savneet shares the Sikh philosophy with Patrick
1:11:43 – What Sikh traditions does Savneet take part in and what are their significance to him
1:13:21 – A look at Owl Mountain
1:15:59 – The Gorilla Game: Picking Winners in High Technology
1:16:42 – Any other areas that people are underestimating
1:17:22 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Savneet
February 27, 2018
Private Equity Returns in Public Markets, w/ Dan Rasmussen – [Invest Like the Best, EP.78]
It has been a while since we discussed private equity on the show, so I was excited for this week’s conversation. My guest is Dan Rasmussen, the founder of Verdad advisers. Dan worked in private equity and has spent years studying the entire field.
Dan identified several key drivers of private equity’s outsized returns: size, value, and leverage. His firm uses these factors as a starting point to build a portfolio of public equities that behave like their private brethren.
We cover a ton of ground, discussing the prospective returns for equities, forecasting, and tons of investing strategies.
Please enjoy this conversation with Dan Rasmussen.
Links Referenced
The Gospel According to Michael Porter
Books Referenced
Expert Political Judgment: How Good Is It? How Can We Know?
Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction
Show Notes
2:03 – (First Question) – The current state of private equity investing
4:09 – The three myths of private equity
6:51 – Taking a deeper dive into the myth of growth through operational improvements
11:25 – Valuations for private market investment and where they’re going
14:03 – Private equity companies that have a higher chance of delivering results that exceed expectation
16:39 – Other observations on the private equity space that would be interesting to investors considering the asset class
19:33 – Importance of being very purposeful in picking your reference classes
19:42 – Subscribe to Dan
22:03 – How do the lessons Dan has learned in private equity translate to his investment strategies
25:21 – How do you apply purely technical, systematic thinking into public market investing
29:23 – Analyzing leveraged stocks and the value they could create
30:06 – How Dan thinks about the direction of debt vs just the level
33:11 – Predicting a firms ability to deleverage
35:20 – How Dan’s company whittle down a company and are able to see value beyond their quantitative screens
41:29 – How does Dan think about the global vs US opportunity set
44:22 – What originally drew Dan to the Japan market
47:03 – How do rising rates impact Dan’s strategy in investing in highly leveraged companies
51:19 – Importance of having investor money locked up for a longer period of time both for the fund and investor
55:03 – Porter’s five forces
55:25 – The Gospel According to Michael Porter
1:00:51 – How Dan thinks about competitive advantage
1:04:41 – Exploring Dan’s personal process in pursuit of his ideal strategy
1:05:20 – Tobias Carlisle
1:06:27 – Steven Pinker
1:06:28 – E.O. Wilson
1:07:11 – What other markets pique Dan’s interest
1:09:39 – Why there is such a focus on small for Dan
1:11:11 – Source or person that Dan has learned the most from that might surprise people
1:11:24 – Expert Political Judgment: How Good Is It? How Can We Know?
1:11:28– Superforecasting: The Art and Science of Prediction
1:12:54– What was it like writing the book
1:17:19 – If Dan was going to write another book today, what would it be about
1:19:08– Kindest thing anyone has done for Dan
February 20, 2018
Pat Dorsey Returns – The Moat Portfolio – [Invest Like the Best, EP.77]
My guest this week, back for a second conversation, is Pat Dorsey. Pat ran equity research at Morningstar before leaving to start his own asset management company: Dorsey Asset Management. His areas of deep interest are competitive advantage and capital allocation. He believes that capital allocation should be in service of competitive advantage and invests in a concentrated portfolio that he and his team feel embody these ideas.
If you have not already, I strongly recommend listening to our first conversation, which is a sort of crash course on moats. In this conversation, we cover different ground. We spend much more time on individual stocks like Facebook, Google, and Chegg, using them as examples to explore Pat’s investment philosophy and strategy.
Across a few conversations with Pat, I can tell he is in love with this stuff, and I always enjoy talking to investors like him who so passionately pursue and edge. Please enjoy round two with Pat Dorsey.
Links Referenced
Pat Dorsey’s first appearance on the podcast
Books Referenced
Show Notes
2:15 – (First Question) – Pat’s methods for valuing a business
4:17 – Is this process done after they would first identify potential targets for investment
5:11 – Pat’s take on how the market classifies stocks as growth vs value
6:40 – Qualitative insights and why the market can’t price them very accurately
9:57 – The business model behind zero marginal cost distribution business model
12:00 – Network effects and the potential downside to them down the road
13:54 – Valuing Facebook as a business heavily reliant on network effects
16:45 – What would have to change for Pat’s position on Facebook to radically change
18:58 – Most important lessons that a smaller/private business could learn from Facebook or Google’s business models
19:48 – Where is Amazon in Pat’s portfolio
20:27 – Primary research and the value that is derived from it
22:06 – An example of where primary research led to a big surprise about a company
24:05 – The value of travel in this business, starting with recent travel to India
26:05 – Why are they targeting India and Japan
27:24 – How does he think about the risk of investing in foreign markets
29:52 – His thinking on relative vs absolute market share
31:26 – Exploring the SaaS business model
34:35 – The application of moats and pricing power with SaaS businesses
34:36 – Pat Dorsey’s first appearance on the podcast
36:17 – Understanding how to evaluate a SaaS or subscription-based business (Lifetime Value of the Customer vs Acquisition Cost)
40:07 – Other models that Pat explores and how to screen for them
41:37 – How does he parse the difference between attention and demand
43:19 – How would Pat monetize something like HQ – Live Trivia Game Show that has aggregated massive amount of attention
45:19 – How does Pat react to the idea that attention is scarce and human capital is so crucial
45:14 – World After Capital
47:04 – How does Pat evaluate human capital in a business
48:09 – Experience in starting an asset management business
50:20 – What are the levers that are biggest value drivers in the asset management business
53:57 – Pat’s view on the strength of the relationship between risk and return
57:06 – The most risk Pat has taken in the face of uncertainty
59:23 – Favorite recent learning resource
59:43 – Principles: Life and Work
February 13, 2018
This is Who You Are Up Against, w/ Josh Wolfe – [Invest Like the Best, EP.76]
Long-time listeners will have heard me joke before that this podcast should really be called “this is who are you up against.” I’ve been waiting for the right episode to deploy the joke as a title, and this week we have it.
The joke is meant to convey how incredibly impressive these people are who we get to hear from every week. My guest this week is Josh Wolfe, a founding and managing partner at Lux Capital in New York City. Lux is a venture capital firm, but a highly unique one. They’ve spent more time in hard sciences and interesting nooks and crannies of the market than the typical VC firm.
Some of investing is zero sum: my outperformance is someone else’s underperformance. Sometimes, though, investing is positive sum. The combination of capital, ideas, people, drive, and raw energy leads to amazing new things.
I think the best investing and best investors of the future will be more collaborative than competitive. After finishing with Josh, I couldn’t stop thinking “god, do I want to be involved with whatever he’s doing, if only just to learn.”
This conversation made me rethink my joke “this is who are you up against.” Now I won’t think of it as a zero-sum joke, but instead as a reminder: this is the kind of person who is out there. You better find your niche, and still be the absolute best you can within that niche.
Please enjoy this killer conversation with Josh Wolfe. We cover just about everything.
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub.
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Links Referenced
Investing in Biofuels or Biofools?
Books Referenced
Modern Monopolies: What It Takes to Dominate the 21st Century Economy
Show Notes
2:35 – (First Question) – Lux Capital and the kind of investments they have made over the years
5:42 – The formation of the investment philosophy for Lux
8:17 – Why randomness and optionality are important cornerstones to the philosophy
9:52 – Investment philosophy 100-0-100 (ambition, arrogance, intellectual humility)
10:40 – How Josh manages his time and attention
12:53 – Investing in Biofuels or Biofools?
13:29 – Obsession with nuclear
15:15 – Investment in metamaterials
18:28 – Focus on autonomous vehicles
21:02 – How all of these gambles are viewed by Josh’s investors
22:56 – Tattoo technology
24:20 – Ali Hamed podcast
24:36 – How Josh evaluates people when considering early stage investments
24:45 – Alex Moazed podcast
24:49 – Modern Monopolies: What It Takes to Dominate the 21st Century Economy
28:10 – Why the minority opinion tends to lead to the best outcomes
29:50 – Memorable experience investing in a founder
30:44 – The idea of thesis driven approach to private investment
30:56 – Andy Rachleff podcast
32:38 – Crazy thesis – understanding the emotional needs of our pets
34:59 – Crazy thesis – Turning genetic abnormalities into treatments and cures for common conditions
38:03 – Josh’s learning process through these theses
38:34 – Popplet
39:56 – Understanding rebel scientists when it’s impossible to predict what is going to happen
40:03 – new book on crisper and gene splicing
44:35 – Can the charge forward mindset be cultivated, or does it have to come naturally
45:49 – Investors that Josh has learned the most from
47:37 – Josh’s comfort investing outside of his usual asset class
49:03 – @wolfejosh
50:56 – What is the thinking with the short strategy at Lux
52:31 – SpaceX vs Tesla, good business vs bad business
53:42 – How Josh approaches the quality of a business
54:15 – World After Capital
55:16 – How does Josh evaluate competitive advantage
56:45 – Where are we in the venture capital landscape
1:01:42 – How does his outlook on venture capital affect the way Lux is run
1:02:48 – thoughts on cryptocurrency
1:05:28 – An overview of Santa Fe Institute
1:07:22 – What is the most memorable conversation Josh has ever had
1:09:34 – What is Josh’s objective function in life
1:12:43 – Are there people that Josh disagrees with but deeply respects
1:13:32 – Kindest thing anyone has ever done for Josh
February 6, 2018
Emerging Market Opportunities, with Harvey Sawikin – [Invest Like the Best, EP.75]
My guest this week is Harvey Sawikin, a co-founder and lead portfolio manager at Firebird Management, which manages funds dedicated to investing in emerging market equities. Emerging markets are often a blind spot for investors of all types: most of us have never traveled to the far east or eastern Europe, where many of the thousands of emerging market public equities operate.
I’ve been very lucky to travel quite a bit in Asia and the Middle East, but never to eastern Europe, where Firebird focuses its investments. Harvey and I discuss his 24 years of experience evaluating emerging and frontier market countries, industries, and individual stocks. We discuss his experience buying privatization vouchers in Russia, banks in the Baltics, and how today’s emerging market opportunity set compares to the past.
Like so many of these conversations with investors who have earned significant excess returns, its clear investing opportunities in emerging markets are often disguised. Finding them requires risk, hard work, discipline, and a dose of luck and timing. Please enjoy my conversation with Harvey on Emerging Market Opportunities.
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub.
Follow Patrick on Twitter at @patrick_oshag
Links Referenced
Books Referenced
The Intelligent Investor: The Definitive Book on Value Investing. A Book of Practical Counsel
Education of Rick Green, Esquire
Show Notes
2:26 – (First Question) – Most memorable travel experience since the beginning of Firebird
5:41 – How Harvey got interested in emerging markets investing, specifically, Eastern Europe and Russia
10:00 – How does the landscape for emerging markets today compare to when he first started
12:30 – What are the factors of an emerging market to look at and why do some not pan out
15:04 – Do countries have to meet minimum criteria before Harvey and his team will even start to do work on an emerging market
17:33 – How does Harvey distinguish between frontier and emerging markets
18:37 – Thoughts on the access points that regular investors have into emerging markets, such as ETF’s and Mutual Funds
23:48 – How does Harvey think about risk exposure when constructing a portfolio
25:56 – Looking at the bottom up part of the equation, what factors within a company or sector are considered as part of the investing decision
31:05 – Dividends in emerging markets
33:09 – How do US equities stack up as an investment against fixed income
34:53 – The Intelligent Investor: The Definitive Book on Value Investing. A Book of Practical Counsel
36:52 – How do US equities stack up as an investment against emerging markets
39:38 – What type of investor allocate funds to emerging markets
42:37 – The value of travel in understanding emerging markets
50:19 – Biggest mistakes that emerging market investors make
54:49 – What in today’s markets has the smell of opportunity
55:53 – Harvey’s interest in Via
56:58 – Interest in buying gold coins
1:00:05 – If Harvey could only choose one country to visit, business or pleasure, where would he go
1:01:09 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Harvey
1:01:38 – Education of Rick Green, Esquire
January 30, 2018
Full Tilt Investing, with Anthony Pompliano – [Invest Like the Best, EP.74]
My guest this week is Anthony Pompliano. Pomp began his career in the military, and has since been a successful entrepreneur, worked as a head of growth at Facebook, and started Full Tilt Capital, an early stage investing firm in North Carolina.
This conversation has three memorable sections. Early on, we discuss the four traits Pomp looks for in founders, which we cover in detail. These double as traits that are important when hiring anyone. Next, we discuss his unique take on cryptocurrencies, where he is excited about the prospects for tokenized securities. Finally, we explore a unique media company, Bar Stool Sports, and what makes it such a powerful brand.
Please enjoy our somewhat abbreviated discussion and know we will continue the conversation soon.
Links Referenced
Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports’ Secret Billion Dollar Plan
Books Referenced
Win Bigly: Persuasion in a World Where Facts Don’t Matter
Show Notes
2:06 – (First Question) – Recap of Anthony’s military career
4:07 – Most memorable experience while deployed
5:27 – Transition out of the military and how it shaped his investing philosophy
11:19 – investing philosophy of Full Tilt, starting with deal economics
10:00 – Attributes of an ideal founder
13:50 – Where you actual learn the attributes that make you a good founder
14:40 – Time that Anthony has taken the biggest risk in life
16:45 – What is the viewpoint that Full Tilt has today that gives it Alpha in the market
18:47 – Why tokenized securities could be advantageous for investors in a company
19:51 – Anthony’s explanation of a tokenized security and what needs to happen for this idea to be fully realized in the market
22:22 – What could be the impact on the markets of making liquidity in venture so readily available
24:39 – What are tokenized securities actually invested in in the real world
27:42 – What does Anthony think about the commodity risk
29:04 – Describing Standard American Mining, a company they incubated
29:58 – Exploring the shift from a CPU world to a GPU world
31:49 – Getting involved in places where we haven’t caught up with the rest of the world
33:05 – Anthony’s interest in Barstool Sports
33:11 – Dave Portnoy and Barstool Sports’ Secret Billion Dollar Plan
37:09 – Win Bigly: Persuasion in a World Where Facts Don’t Matter
39:02 – What lessons from Full Tilt world would Anthony share with others in the more traditional business world
40:35 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Anthony
January 23, 2018
The Three-Body Portfolio with Dr. Ben Hunt – [Invest Like the Best, EP.73]
My guest this week is Dr. Ben Hunt, the chief investment strategist at Salient and the author of the extremely popular epsilon theory.
I’ve always enjoyed Ben’s writing style, particularly his use of farm and animal based analogies to describe market phenomenon.
In this conversation, we discuss his recent post the three body problem, why growth has been beating value, and why a strategy that he calls profound agnosticism—a take on risk parity—may be the most appropriate investing strategy in what he views as a very uncertain world. We also discuss some of his favorite lessons from the farm.
Please enjoy our conversation!
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub.
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Links Referenced
Show Notes
1:54 – (First Question) – Applying the three-body problem to investing
7:24 – Fundamental view of investing, Profound Agnosticism
8:24 – Why has value done so poorly relative to growth in this framework
11:01 – Ben’s thoughts on why value has been underperforming for so long
13:52 – Investors should be able to adapt
17:49 – Thoughts on the risk parity approach
23:23 – Ben’s strategy for working with several teams
26:48 – What’s the best way to gain an edge, top down factors vs company/bond individual analysis
28:29 – How do you measure risk amid the large amount of uncertainty that exists in markets
32:40 – How does Ben personally think about investing
34:41 – Ben’s farm and the investing lessons learned by some of the animals
39:55 – How bees can plan out their entire work structure by the angle of the sun
42:58 – Defining basis risk
44:59 – Personal risk vs portfolio risk
49:30 – The concept of fingernail clean and our perception of what eggs are
53:57 – How ETFs are like mass produced eggs
54:56 – Exploring the idea of quality vs scaling
58:39 – What is the current challenge/puzzle that Ben is focused on right now
1:01:59 – What is Ben looking for when looking into game theory and applying it to the words that are published and spoken about investing
1:03:57 – Most memorable day on Ben’s farm
1:05:04 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Ben
January 16, 2018
Crypto-pocalypse, with Preston Byrne – [Invest Like the Best, EP.72]
My guest this week is Preston Byrne. Preston is vocal critic of crazy prices and projects in the world cryptocurrencies. His background is in the legal world and also as a founder and former COO of Monax, which made the first open-source permissioned blockchain client.
As Preston says, he is a “blockchain without bitcoin” guy, who believes that this crypto mania will end in some sort of apocalypse for token holders and ICO issuers.
We tackle several issues, from his broad skepticism of crypto assets, to the potential regulatory reaction from major governments, to types of coins like stable coins, which Preston views as analogous to perpetual motion machines.
Please enjoy our conversation and for any crypto investors out there, let me know if this conversation affects your opinion of the investing prospects for cryptocurrencies.
Hash Power is presented by Fidelity Investments
Links Referenced
Preston tweet on Reverse network effect
Show Notes
2:12 – (First Question) –Ponzi scheme vs pyramid scheme vs Nakimoto scheme
5:29 – Why there are regulatory challenges to cryptocurrency
5:33 – The Bear Case for Crypto
9:59 – Who are the most influential people supporting this and how are they swaying the regulatory minefield on this issue
10:28 – Hash Power series
13:23 – Looking into the idea of a digital asset and the difference between blockchain and the token itself
16:09 – What about the idea that cryptocurrency’s only feature is that it’s censorship resistant
18:39 – Why cryptocurrencies become less usable the more successful they are
18:59 – Zero Hedge
21:04 – Why can’t we rely on offchain solutions to solve the scaling issue
22:29 – The idea of bubbles and what happens next in this one
25:41 – What are the incentives to build technology to support cryptocurrencies
29:23 – Explaining Ripple
31:21 – What would precipitate a massive reversal in the inflated valuations of cryptocurrencies
34:52 – Understanding reverse network effects
34:36 – Preston tweet on Reverse network effect
37:45 – The principles behind Stablecoin
42:20 – What has been the greatest lesson that Preston has learned about blockchain he wish he knew when he first got started
44:05 – How embedded will blockchain be by 2024/2025
45:12 – ICO’s, why Preston is not a fan and if there are any positives to them
50:20 – What are the conditions under which these things will be viewed legally.
54:00 – Preston’s history owning cryptocurrencies
55:35 – What has Preston most excited in the space
59:02 – Utility settlement coin
1:00:36 – Why the fascination with marmots
1:02:10 – What to reference before getting started with cryptocurrencies
1:04:03 – Understanding supply chains in block chain
1:07:14 – Some smart people on block chain to follow
1:08:24 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Preston
January 9, 2018
Creative Investing, with CoVenture’s Ali Hamed – [Invest Like the Best, EP.71]
I have a special request this week: share this episode with every curious person in your life.
The conversation, with a 26-year old investor named Ali Hamed, serves as an example of what’s possible when you think creatively.
Ali views the world with a fresh set of eyes, and has already become an expert at identifying new investment opportunities where others have not. As the second prodigy 26 year old in as many weeks on the podcast, these young guns are making me feel like an ancient 32 year old.
We talk a lot about “alpha” in our world, earning returns better than the market. But the key word in that last sentence isn’t alpha, it’s earning. Hopefully you, like me, will use this conversation as a reminder of what it takes to earn differentiated returns. It’s not just the hard work, but also the mindset. We explore many examples of how to create new investment opportunities, from rolling up Instagram accounts, to financing perishable fruit like watermelons, to heavy machinery software.
Please enjoy this special conversation with Ali Hamed. Follow him and his partners. And then go figure out how to earn success yourself in whatever it is you do by helping other people solve problems with empathy.
Books Referenced
The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine
Links Referenced
Seed Investing is a B2C Business, While Growth Stage investing is a B2B Business
Free Content and Digital Media Are Increasing Socio-Economic Disparity
Show Notes
2:24 – (First Question) Ali’s investment philosophy
3:33 – History of Coventure and its unique structure
6:30 – The story of how Coventure was seeded
12:29 – What makes cost of capital such an interesting topic for Ali
14:13 – Exploring fee structures and the expectations for return in the current environment
17:02 – The current state of the VC world
21:42 – Ali’s investment process on the VC side
25:32 – What other requirements are there for Ali to make a VC investment
28:00 – Understanding the difference between judgement and empathy in founders
28:20 – The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine
29:47 – Dealing with LP’s
32:47 – Sheel Tyle Podcast
33:39 – At one point did Ali feel the most personally at risk in his career
37:55 – Why did they get involved in cryptocurrency
43:30 – What excites Ali most about crypto
46:09 – Lending as an alternative way to invest in businesses
48:09 – An overview of their lending business
50:21 – How does deal flow and sourcing work in these arrangements
52:54 – How much encroachment will Ali face from competitors
54:28 – Exploring the idea of valuing and buying digital accounts
59:36 – How Ali thinks about marketing for his own firm and the ones he invests in
1:00:06 – Seed Investing is a B2C Business, While Growth Stage investing is a B2B Business
1:03:59 – Longer term aspirations for Ali and industries that he would avoid
1:04:25 – Ira Judelson podcast
1:08:05 – Ali’s view on the potential negative impact of free content
1:08:19 – Free Content and Digital Media Are Increasing Socio-Economic Disparity
1:12:48 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Ali
January 2, 2018
The Future of Venture Capital, w/ Sheel Tyle – [Invest Like the Best, EP.70]
My guest this week is Sheel Tyle, who at just 26 years old has already had a successful career in venture capital. His most recent stint was as the co-head of the seed investing business at NEA, the largest venture capital firm in the world, where Sheel was also a partner. Now, Sheel has set off on his own, setting up his own firm called Amplo and having recently raised a $100M venture fund where he is the sole general partner. He aims to invest with young, mission driven entrepreneurs with a global focus. As you can tell from this resume, which also includes a degree from Stanford and a law degree from Harvard, this is one ambitious guy.
There are several aspects of this conversation that will really stick with me, specifically his points on networking and the smartest decision that he’s seen entrepreneurs make. I also loved our discussion of some of the same trends we explored last week with Chris Dixon—topics like drones, automated cars, and blockchain, where Sheel often has a different take than the consensus.
Please enjoy my conversation on Africa, entrepreneurship, venture capital trends, technology, and more with Sheel Tyle.
Books Referenced
Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World
Links Referenced
Show Notes
2:20 – (First Question) Sheel’s upbringing and how it shaped his interest in Africa
4:43 – The outlook for Africa
6:10 – Primary differences in valuations and momentum in Africa vs opportunities in other places which Sheel conveys through the story of Andela
10:45 – The perspective returns of venture capital investments
15:16 – Does the hyperfroth in ICO’s serve as a threat to traditional venture capital
17:53 – Where Sheel falls on the importance of networking in terms of his venture capital interests
20:38 – The stronger impact of a smaller, more tight-knit network
22:46 – Sheel’s feelings on driverless cars and the timeline for this sector
27:17 – What are the positive side effects of driverless cars taking over
29:01 – What is the best way to invest in driverless cars from a venture capital standpoint
31:30 – Sheel’s overrated/underrated take on different technology spaces
31:30 – VR/AR
32:21 – Blockchain
32:54 – Machine learning/AI
33:41 – Drones
34:53 – Other categories that we should be thinking about
36:54 – OneConcern
38:21 – Should entrepreneurs be raising more money over future liquidity concerns of the venture capital markets
39:40 – What are the places that Sheel can help a founder in the early stage formation of the company
40:02 – Andy Rachleff Podcast Episode
42:53 – What does the breakdown of domestic vs international investments potentially look like in fund 1 for Sheel
44:53 – Sheel’s most memorable travel experience
47:34 – what is the best decision Sheel saw a founder make
48:10 – Mark43
50:31 – Resources for people interested in venture capital
51:06 – TechCrunch
51:07 – VentureBeat
51:17 – Bill Draper (author)
51:25 – Originals: How Non-Conformists Move the World
