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Spank the Baby! – Part 1

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

As a father who raised two kids into adulthood, I have a little bit of perspective on teenage rebellion. Oh, by the way, I also have my own personal experience, which unfortunately is substantial.

It is pretty much mandatory during the post WWII era that teenagers know it all. They needn’t bother to waste time learning first. That was the way of the old fogeys. Out with the old. In with the new. That’s the slogan of “modern” generations. What the “new” consists of no one seems to know. The definition depends on whom you ask. But why quibble over trifles, huh?

Responses coming from teenage rebels are automatic. They needn’t give thought to their words. Simply memorize a handful of comments and play one back automatically at every instruction directed their way. Something like this:

“Clean your room, son.”

“You’re always trying to boss me around, dad. How can I grow up if you don’t let me make my own decisions?”

Sound familiar? How they are supposed to make intelligent decisions without first being intelligent, well, that doesn’t deserve their consideration. How to be intelligent without first studying and also gaining experience? Ah, another old fogey concept to youth today.

I remember the lyrics of a song written and performed by the Doors. For any of you who are familiar with this group, you know they aren’t the kind of dudes you want babysitting the kids! Part of the song expressed a teenage rebel’s demands on the world. Listen:

We want the world, and we want it…NOW!

Tell the teenage rebel that there is no such thing as a “free lunch”, and he shrugs the shoulders and wonders what planet you live on. After all, he reasons, he’s had free lunches all his life, so he knows what you’re saying is a lie. His parents pamper him without limit, so he gets the best of everything without limit and without trying.

Even the liberal politicians give free handouts to every person who will put his hand out. It’s gotten so bad in politics that, in order to get elected, the conservative politicians so-called mimic this behavior. It matters not anymore which party is in power. Both are taking us to the same place, only the liberals are getting there a little faster. Dear friends, we don’t want to get there at all. I promise!

There are no absolute right answers for dealing with this mess today. The mess has grown over too long a period of time and gone way beyond redemption. Only a temporary reprieve can occur, a Josiah type of reform if you would, and that is the best case scenario. We are a dying culture and the last gasp is frighteningly nearer than we imagine.

We must pause and refresh ourselves in the presence of the Lord Jesus now. Tomorrow we will continue this study.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 2

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

The USA today is a dying culture. What was once a society permeated with the Bible’s influence is now an outright antichrist society. Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, divorce—all are denounced by the Word of God, specifically and undeniably denounced. Yet they are not only universally entrenched in our land from Atlantic to Pacific, but they are practices considered taboo for discussion, much less for serious criticism.

Egads! Anyone daring to preach the Bible on these issues must be promoters of hate crimes! That is where we have come today as a society. This is utterly anti-Bible and antichrist. The teenage rebels of yesteryear have become the political leaders of today, and they’ve incorporated their teenage rebellion into the warp and woof of our society, you see.

The specifics for trying to meaningfully relate to teenage rebels, during the years they are still teenagers or nearly so, varies with the individual. What works, at least somewhat, with one person flops with the next.

Experience and experimentation are needed by parents. Part of that experience is to learn the rote responses their own teenage rebel spouts, all the while he is insisting on his uniqueness as a person, mind you. As parents we should recognize this truth.

Indeed, we would be benefited immeasurably to recognize that our loving heavenly Father goes through the same things with His kids. Our Bible verses for today portray an extreme case of teenage rebellion by the Lord’s kids. The Lord’s response to these rebels was itself extreme, but it came only after prolonged refusal on the part of the rebels to recognize spiritual reality and adapt accordingly.

When a parent inflicts penalties for disobeying the family rules, it is known as chastisement. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. Those are a couple of examples from Proverbs which come to mind.

The fact that the Lord inflicted penalties on the Israelites was proof positive that He was their Father and they His children. The fact that the penalties were so severe demonstrated that they were inveterate rebels who had spurned His chastisement on numerous prior occasions.

When my son didn’t obey the family rules, I warned him about it. If he continued to disobey, I spanked him. Should he have persisted in disobedience after that—which he never did—I would have spanked him harder. The more the rebellion, the worse the chastisement.

But he was still my son regardless. I would never have executed him! I wouldn’t even have disowned him. I’d do whatever I could to bring him to repentance and restore his fellowship with me and the family.

Let’s pause and reflect on this overnight. Allow the Holy Spirit to pour His truth over our hearts and minds, as we sit with Jesus a while.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 3

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

When a parent punishes his child for disobedience, it is meant as chastisement, not judgment and condemnation. It is meant to teach the child that what he has done is a no-no, and that he needs to desist doing it and ask for forgiveness. This is how families function.

It is quite otherwise with folks not a part of the same family. I never took the time to chastise the neighbors’ kids. It wasn’t my responsibility or my place. If things had become too difficult with any of the neighbors, it would have resulted in strife, not chastisement. It might even have led to a court case, but a spanking would never be on the agenda for differences between the neighbors and myself.

So it was (and is) with differences between the Lord and the peoples of the world. As God He is in charge of every person and every nation. He is like the government, not like everyone’s good friend. All persons must obey or else.

As the Lord he is in covenantal relationship with His people. This is personal, like a spiritual family. As the governmental authority God judges all men and sentences them to their just desserts. As the head of the family the Lord rears His kids to function righteously in His family, and He chastises us when we don’t.

Notice how the Psalmist portrays the Lord’s chastisement of the Israelites: “He killed them”! Huh? That doesn’t compute. God does that with the people of the world, the devil’s kids. He is supposed to chastise His own kids, not kill them. This sounds like the judge sentencing the criminal to death row, not a father disciplining his kids. What gives?
And a right fine query it is too. I’ll tell you what I find more curious than that. What follows is inexplicable. What did the Israelites do when the Lord killed them? We would think to read that they died. Right? Well, we don’t! We read,

Then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God.

Strange doings for folks who have just been killed, wouldn’t you agree?

This curiosity affords us the context for understanding what is being taught, dear friends. It’s not just poetic license, as if to say the Lord didn’t really kill them. He indeed did literally kill them. Those He killed didn’t “seek Him”. The dead didn’t “return and search diligently for God”. But the survivors got the hint when they saw Father God kill the rebels, and they changed their ways pronto! They were the ones who returned and sought Him.

So the context has to do with the entire family of God, not merely with individual rebels in the family. Some of the kids rebelled and were used as examples of how not to behave in the family. Others saw the consequences of the wrong behaviors and learned better than to imitate the rebels. That is what the Lord did vis-à-vis the Israelites, as depicted by the Psalmist.

We will delve a little deeper into this concept in our next study. Now let’s spend some quiet time with Jesus.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 4

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

If my son misbehaved and was taken to the woodshed for a deeper understanding, his sister didn’t need to learn the same lesson in the woodshed. She chose to learn vicariously from her brother’s chastisement. It hurts considerably less!

This is the concept depicted by the Psalmist, regarding Father God’s parenting mannerisms with His kids, the Israelites. The Israelites more often than not were incorrigible rebels. They thrived on holding public demonstrations in the city square against the injustices of the Lord’s rule. They followed it up with building barricades and storming the Bastille.

The Word of God commanded they obey His Law. When they did so He blessed them. When they didn’t He chastised them. After He chastised them the survivors repented, snapped to attention, and made it a point to be on their best behavior. Again the Lord blessed them.

Blessings are infinitely more dangerous than curses, dear friends. Blessings tend to promote indifference and lassitude in those who are blessed, you see, resulting in feckless folks who are of no earthly good to the Lord’s family. When they were blessed, the Israelites grew fat heads and resented it whenever the blessings weren’t increasingly abundant.

Accordingly they rebelled again and suffered the Lord’s chastisement some more. The survivors again repented and put their best foot forward, and the Lord restored them and blessed them again. It was a vicious circle. I tell you, blessings are infinitely more dangerous than curses.

I know a young man who has yet to learn this lesson. Truth be told, I could probably count on one hand how many young men today have learned this lesson, and still have enough fingers left over to count the pennies in a nickel!

Like a sponge this young man sucks up the Lord’s blessings. He takes them all in, enjoys himself as he pampers his lusts, and believes they are his right. He is entitled to easy living, you see. The considerable gifts given him by the Spirit are his, not the Lord’s. He uses them to feather his own nest, not build the Body of Christ.

Should he persist in this foolish course of action, I am waiting to see how long it will be before the Lord inflicts severe chastisement on him. I know the Lord loves him too much to allow him to squander his talents on his own lusts. It will not end in a pretty sight at the Bema of Christ, His judgment seat for His kids where rewards are given for service to Him.

If we won’t learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. This young man has been gifted for the ministry. His gifts are not meant to be used to have a grand old time performing secular jobs for the young man’s ego and financial success.

If he would only learn from the history recorded in Psalm 78, it would spare him grievous vexation at the Bema. Indeed, the vexation will most certainly commence long before eternity. Woe is this young man, if he won’t learn from Israel’s history. He knows better!

May we know better, O Lord. Amen.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 1

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

As a father who raised two kids into adulthood, I have a little bit of perspective on teenage rebellion. Oh, by the way, I also have my own personal experience, which unfortunately is substantial.

It is pretty much mandatory during the post WWII era that teenagers know it all. They needn’t bother to waste time learning first. Learning first was the way of the old fogeys. Out with the old. In with the new. That’s the slogan of “modern” generations. What the “new” consists of no one seems to know. The definition depends on whom you ask. But why quibble over trifles, huh?

Responses coming from teenage rebels are automatic. They needn’t give thought to their words. Simply memorize a handful of comments and play one back automatically at every instruction directed their way. Something like this:

“Clean your room, son.”

“You’re always trying to boss me around, dad. How can I grow up if you don’t let me make my own decisions?”

Sound familiar? How they are supposed to make intelligent decisions without first being intelligent, well, that doesn’t deserve their consideration. How to be intelligent without first studying and also gaining experience? Ah, another old fogey concept to youth today.

I remember the lyrics of a song written and performed by the Doors. For any of you who are familiar with this group, you know they aren’t the kind of dudes you want babysitting the kids! Part of the song expressed a teenage rebel’s demands on the world. Listen:

We want the world, and we want it…NOW!

Tell the teenage rebel that there is no such thing as a “free lunch”, and he shrugs the shoulders and wonders what planet you live on. After all, he reasons, he’s had free lunches all his life, so he knows what you’re saying is a lie. His parents pamper him without limit, so he gets the best of everything without limit and without trying.

Even the liberal politicians give free handouts to every person who will put his hand out. It’s gotten so bad in politics that, in order to get elected, the conservative politicians so-called mimic this behavior. It matters not anymore which party is in power. Both are taking us to the same place, only the liberals are getting there a little faster. Dear friends, we don’t want to get there at all. I promise!

There are no absolute right answers for dealing with this mess today. The mess has grown over too long a period of time and gone way beyond redemption. Only a temporary reprieve can occur, a Josiah type of reform if you would, and that is the best case scenario. We are a dying culture and the last gasp is frighteningly nearer than we imagine.

We must pause and refresh ourselves in the presence of the Lord Jesus now. Tomorrow we will continue this study.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 2

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

The USA today is a dying culture. What was once a society permeated with the Bible’s influence is now an outright antichrist society. Abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, divorce—all are denounced by the Word of God, specifically and undeniably denounced. Yet they are not only universally entrenched in our land from Atlantic to Pacific, but they are practices considered taboo for discussion, much less for serious criticism.

Egads! Anyone daring to preach the Bible on these issues must be promoters of hate crimes! That is where we have come today as a society. This is utterly anti-Bible and antichrist. The teenage rebels of yesteryear have become the political leaders of today, and they’ve incorporated their teenage rebellion into the warp and woof of our society, you see.

The specifics for trying to meaningfully relate to teenage rebels, during the years they are still teenagers or nearly so, varies with the individual. What works, at least somewhat, with one person flops with the next.

Experience and experimentation are needed by parents. Part of that experience is to learn the rote responses their own teenage rebel spouts, all the while he is insisting on his uniqueness as a person, mind you. As parents we should recognize this truth.

Indeed, we would be benefited immeasurably to recognize that our loving heavenly Father goes through the same things with His kids. Our Bible verses for today portray an extreme case of teenage rebellion by the Lord’s kids. The Lord’s response to those rebels was itself extreme, but it came only after prolonged refusal on the part of the rebels to recognize spiritual reality and adapt accordingly.

When a parent inflicts penalties for disobeying the family rules, it is known as chastisement. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. Those are a couple of examples from Proverbs which come to mind.

The fact that the Lord inflicted penalties on the Israelites was proof positive that He was their Father and they His children. The fact that the penalties were so severe demonstrated that they were inveterate rebels who had spurned His chastisement on numerous prior occasions.

When my son didn’t obey the family rules, I warned him about it. If he continued to disobey, I spanked him. Should he have persisted in disobedience after that—which he never did—I would have spanked him harder. The more the rebellion, the worse the chastisement.

But he was still my son regardless. I would never have executed him! I wouldn’t even have disowned him. I’d do whatever I could to bring him to repentance and restore his fellowship with me and the family.

Let’s pause and reflect on this overnight. Allow the Holy Spirit to pour His truth over our hearts and minds, as we sit with Jesus a while.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 3

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

When a parent punishes his child for disobedience, it is meant as chastisement, not judgment and condemnation. It is meant to teach the child that what he has done is a no-no, and that he needs to desist doing it and ask for forgiveness. This is how families function.

It is quite otherwise with folks not a part of the same family. I never took the time to chastise the neighbors’ kids. It wasn’t my responsibility or my place. If things had become too difficult with any of the neighbors, it would have resulted in strife, not chastisement. It might even have led to a court case, but a spanking would never be on the agenda for differences between the neighbors and myself.

So it was (and is) with differences between the Lord and the peoples of the world. As God He is in charge of every person and every nation. He is like the government, not like everyone’s good friend. All persons must obey or else. As the Lord he is in covenantal relationship with His people. This is personal, like a spiritual family.

As the governmental authority God judges all men and sentences them to their just desserts. As the head of the family the Lord rears His kids to function righteously in His family, and He chastises us when we don’t.

Notice how the Psalmist portrays the Lord’s chastisement of the Israelites: “He killed them”! Huh? That doesn’t compute. God does that with the people of the world, the devil’s kids. He is supposed to chastise His own kids, not kill them. That sounds like a judge sentencing a criminal to death row, not a father disciplining his kids. What gives?

And a right fine query it is too. I’ll tell you what I find more curious than that. What follows is inexplicable. What did the Israelites do when the Lord killed them? We would think to read that they died. Right? Well, we don’t! We read,

Then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God.

Strange doings for folks who have just been killed, wouldn’t you agree?

This curiosity affords us the context for understanding what is being taught, dear friends. It’s not just poetic license, as if to say the Lord didn’t really kill them. He indeed did literally kill them. Those He killed didn’t “seek Him”. The dead didn’t “return and search diligently for God”. But the survivors got the hint when they saw Father God kill the rebels, and they changed their ways pronto! They were the ones who returned and sought Him.

So the context has to do with the entire family of God, not merely with individual rebels in the family. Some of the kids rebelled and were used as examples of how not to behave in the family. Others saw the consequences of the wrong behaviors and learned better than to imitate the rebels. That is what the Lord did vis-à-vis the Israelites, as depicted by the Psalmist.

We will delve a little deeper into this concept in our next study. Now let’s spend some quiet time with Jesus.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

Deuteronomy Book IV, Chapters 26-34 Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes by Randy Green
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Spank the Baby! – Part 4

When He killed them, then they sought Him, and returned and searched diligently for God; and they remembered that God was their rock, and the Most High God their Redeemer [Psalm 78:34-35].

If my son misbehaved and was taken to the woodshed for a deeper understanding, his sister didn’t need to learn the same lesson in the woodshed. She chose to learn vicariously from her brother’s chastisement. It hurts considerably less!

This is the concept depicted by the Psalmist, regarding Father God’s parenting mannerisms with His kids, the Israelites. The Israelites more often than not were incorrigible rebels. They thrived on holding public demonstrations in the city square against the injustices of the Lord’s rule. They followed it up with building barricades and storming the Bastille.

The Word of God commanded they obey His Law. When they did so He blessed them. When they didn’t He chastised them. After He chastised them the survivors repented, snapped to attention, and made it a point to be on their best behavior. Again the Lord blessed them.

Blessings are infinitely more dangerous than curses, dear friends. Blessings tend to promote indifference and lassitude in those who are blessed, you see, resulting in feckless folks who are of no earthly good to the Lord’s family. When they were blessed, the Israelites grew fat heads and resented it whenever the blessings weren’t increasingly abundant.

Accordingly they rebelled again and suffered the Lord’s chastisement some more. The survivors again repented and put their best foot forward, and the Lord restored them and blessed them again. It was a vicious circle. I tell you, blessings are infinitely more dangerous than curses.

I know a young man who has yet to learn this lesson. Truth be told, I could probably count on one hand how many young men today have learned this lesson, and still have enough fingers left over to count the pennies in a nickel!

Like a sponge this young man sucks up the Lord’s blessings. He takes them all in, enjoys himself as he pampers his lusts, and believes they are his right. He is entitled to easy living, you see. The considerable gifts given him by the Spirit are his, not the Lord’s. He uses them to feather his own nest, not build the Body of Christ.

Should he persist in this foolish course of action, I am waiting to see how long it will be before the Lord inflicts severe chastisement on him. I know the Lord loves him too much to allow him to squander his talents on his own lusts. It will not end in a pretty sight at the Bema of Christ, His judgment seat for His kids where rewards are given for service to Him.

If we won’t learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. This young man has been gifted for the ministry. His gifts are not meant to be used to have a grand old time performing secular jobs for the young man’s ego and financial success.

If he would only learn from the history recorded in Psalm 78, it would spare him grievous vexation at the Bema. Indeed, the vexation will most certainly commence long before eternity. Woe is this young man, if he won’t learn from Israel’s history. He knows better!

May we know better, O Lord. Amen.

To further research this issue, I direct you to my book Deuteronomy: Volume 5 of Heavenly Citizens in Earthly Shoes. To purchase my books please go to:
http://www.amazon.com/Randy-Green/e/B...
https://sites.google.com/site/heavenl...

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