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July 18, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Stay the Night” (1984)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Stay the Night” by Chicago.
The girl-now-woman: Ingrid Anderson.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Stay the Night” video?
23.
Where were you living at the time?
West Los Angeles.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I had modeled, done many commercials, and done a few guest appearances on TV shows. I was one of the Old Spice girls. That dates me!
How were you cast?
I went to a general casting. I was selected from photos. When I met Peter Cetera for the final approval, I was wearing a loose silk blouse that caught the wind. I remember a funny look on his face and then he smiled and said the way the blouse had looked for a moment [made him think] I was pregnant. He was relieved and approved me when he told me this. He had a great sense of humor. They were so nice.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
I was excited to do it because I had been a fan of the band and had seen them in concert growing up in northern California.
Where was the video filmed?
Downtown Los Angeles.
How long was the shoot?
We shot for over a week.
How did you feel making the video?
It was so much fun! They were all very friendly and professional.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
The hardest part was driving with him hanging on the car. Most of the driving was done with a stunt double [Debbie Evans]. Apparently they didn’t trust my driving!
How was it to work with Chicago? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
It was fun to work with them. This was the ‘80s and I was new to Hollywood. At night, I went out to clubs with my boyfriend and friends and the band was very family oriented. They had their families there. I expected them to be rock and roll types. The first morning I saw Peter in jogging shorts. He had taken a jog. It seemed out of character to me at that time in my life.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Well, when I kept having to hit him in the face, the director wanted it to be real. For some reason there was a camera problem and [I had to hit] this poor guy over and over! I felt badly about hitting him so hard that he almost was bruising. Finally his face was red and he said, “Okay, now it’s hurting…just give it all you’ve got one last time!”
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
We had car problems. Other than that it was pretty smooth.
What did you think of the video?
I liked it. I thought I looked fat, but I always thought that! Ha ha.
What did your parents think of it?
I don’t think they saw it.
What did your friends think of it?
Everyone else loved it.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
I was in Europe when it premiered.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I had gone to Springfield, MO for the holidays with my boyfriend at the time. He was a model and his father was a Southern Baptist minister. The family was very conservative. I had just come back from Milan and was dressed a little wild for the area. Suddenly someone yelled, “Ingrid is on TV!” That was awkward. I don’t think they were impressed. It’s amazing that at that time, the video was considered provocative! It’s hard to believe now.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I got lots of fan mail but I don’t have any of it.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
There was no controversy that I know of.
What were you paid?
I believe it was $10,000.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was recognized all of the time. One night I was at a restaurant in L.A. when a tipsy woman walked up and said, “That’s the bitch from the video.” She slapped me and poured her drink on my head! They escorted her out but I told them not to call the cops.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
No, I didn’t. Shortly after, I worked on a TV show, Cover Up.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
I used to be friends with Tawny Kitaen. We had lots of fun together.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I had a full scholarship to Berkeley, but I graduated young and my mother wouldn’t let me go. She thought I would get in trouble in Berkley. So I worked, saved money, and went to a junior college in Stockton. I wanted to go into medicine. As soon as I could, I went to L.A. I walked into an open casting at a model agency with a Polaroid. They signed me and I traveled all over the world. I’ve seen almost every country.
What are you doing these days?
I recently lost my mother to Alzheimer’s and I had an accident and hurt my back. Now my father is ill. I came back to northern California to be with him and it looks like I’ll be having back surgery shortly. Then I can carry on with my life!
2014
Where do you live?
Right now I’m in northern California, in the country surrounded by orchards, but I really miss the city!
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was married to Steven Bauer. Everyone knows him from Scarface. I stopped working when we got married. We are still really good friends.
Kids?
I have my one wonderful son, Dylan Bauer. He is 23.
What does he think of the video?
He only recently saw it and he loved it!
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I was happy and surprised. I’m really sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. There has been so much going on with my father and my favorite antidepressant is exercise. I love to run. About the time you contacted me was when I had just found out that I must have this surgery.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No, not that I recall specifically.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I haven’t. I definitely would.
Did you stay in touch with anyone else from the video?
No, I haven’t stayed in touch with anyone. I had an invitation to a Chicago event where they were playing the video, but I was out of the country at the time.
How do you look back on the experience?
It was a lot of fun. I hadn’t looked at it in ages, until you contacted me.
Anything you’d like to add?
People are always surprised when I tell them my age.
Bonus fact:
Debbie Evans, who was the stunt driver in “Stay the Night,” was also the stunt faller (Alice’s double) in “Don’t Come Around Here No More.”
Tweet about this interview to @chicagotheband @tweetercetera!
Next: Don Henley, “The Boys of Summer” (1984)...again.
The video: “Stay the Night” by Chicago.
The girl-now-woman: Ingrid Anderson.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Stay the Night” video?
23.
Where were you living at the time?
West Los Angeles.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I had modeled, done many commercials, and done a few guest appearances on TV shows. I was one of the Old Spice girls. That dates me!
How were you cast?
I went to a general casting. I was selected from photos. When I met Peter Cetera for the final approval, I was wearing a loose silk blouse that caught the wind. I remember a funny look on his face and then he smiled and said the way the blouse had looked for a moment [made him think] I was pregnant. He was relieved and approved me when he told me this. He had a great sense of humor. They were so nice.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
I was excited to do it because I had been a fan of the band and had seen them in concert growing up in northern California.
Where was the video filmed?
Downtown Los Angeles.
How long was the shoot?
We shot for over a week.
How did you feel making the video?
It was so much fun! They were all very friendly and professional.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
The hardest part was driving with him hanging on the car. Most of the driving was done with a stunt double [Debbie Evans]. Apparently they didn’t trust my driving!
How was it to work with Chicago? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
It was fun to work with them. This was the ‘80s and I was new to Hollywood. At night, I went out to clubs with my boyfriend and friends and the band was very family oriented. They had their families there. I expected them to be rock and roll types. The first morning I saw Peter in jogging shorts. He had taken a jog. It seemed out of character to me at that time in my life.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Well, when I kept having to hit him in the face, the director wanted it to be real. For some reason there was a camera problem and [I had to hit] this poor guy over and over! I felt badly about hitting him so hard that he almost was bruising. Finally his face was red and he said, “Okay, now it’s hurting…just give it all you’ve got one last time!”
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
We had car problems. Other than that it was pretty smooth.
What did you think of the video?
I liked it. I thought I looked fat, but I always thought that! Ha ha.
What did your parents think of it?
I don’t think they saw it.
What did your friends think of it?
Everyone else loved it.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
I was in Europe when it premiered.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I had gone to Springfield, MO for the holidays with my boyfriend at the time. He was a model and his father was a Southern Baptist minister. The family was very conservative. I had just come back from Milan and was dressed a little wild for the area. Suddenly someone yelled, “Ingrid is on TV!” That was awkward. I don’t think they were impressed. It’s amazing that at that time, the video was considered provocative! It’s hard to believe now.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I got lots of fan mail but I don’t have any of it.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
There was no controversy that I know of.
What were you paid?
I believe it was $10,000.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was recognized all of the time. One night I was at a restaurant in L.A. when a tipsy woman walked up and said, “That’s the bitch from the video.” She slapped me and poured her drink on my head! They escorted her out but I told them not to call the cops.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
No, I didn’t. Shortly after, I worked on a TV show, Cover Up.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
I used to be friends with Tawny Kitaen. We had lots of fun together.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I had a full scholarship to Berkeley, but I graduated young and my mother wouldn’t let me go. She thought I would get in trouble in Berkley. So I worked, saved money, and went to a junior college in Stockton. I wanted to go into medicine. As soon as I could, I went to L.A. I walked into an open casting at a model agency with a Polaroid. They signed me and I traveled all over the world. I’ve seen almost every country.
What are you doing these days?
I recently lost my mother to Alzheimer’s and I had an accident and hurt my back. Now my father is ill. I came back to northern California to be with him and it looks like I’ll be having back surgery shortly. Then I can carry on with my life!
2014Where do you live?
Right now I’m in northern California, in the country surrounded by orchards, but I really miss the city!
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was married to Steven Bauer. Everyone knows him from Scarface. I stopped working when we got married. We are still really good friends.
Kids?
I have my one wonderful son, Dylan Bauer. He is 23.
What does he think of the video?
He only recently saw it and he loved it!
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I was happy and surprised. I’m really sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner. There has been so much going on with my father and my favorite antidepressant is exercise. I love to run. About the time you contacted me was when I had just found out that I must have this surgery.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No, not that I recall specifically.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I haven’t. I definitely would.
Did you stay in touch with anyone else from the video?
No, I haven’t stayed in touch with anyone. I had an invitation to a Chicago event where they were playing the video, but I was out of the country at the time.
How do you look back on the experience?
It was a lot of fun. I hadn’t looked at it in ages, until you contacted me.
Anything you’d like to add?
People are always surprised when I tell them my age.
Bonus fact:
Debbie Evans, who was the stunt driver in “Stay the Night,” was also the stunt faller (Alice’s double) in “Don’t Come Around Here No More.”
Tweet about this interview to @chicagotheband @tweetercetera!
Next: Don Henley, “The Boys of Summer” (1984)...again.
July 17, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “I Can’t Hold Back” (1984)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “I Can’t Hold Back” by Survivor.
The girl-now-woman: Lee Ann Marie.
How old were you when you appeared in the “I Can’t Hold Back” video?
I believe I was 26.
Where were you living at the time?
Chicago. However, I was traveling quite a bit with dance companies and shows that I was appearing in.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
Close to the same time that “I Can’t Hold Back” was shot, I was cast in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off as one of the German fräuleins. During the parade scene, I appeared on the float with Matthew Broderick dancing to the songs “Danke Schoen” and “Twist and Shout.”
Lee Ann is the one not getting fake-punched.
Lee Ann is the feathered fräulein on the right.
Shortly after that, I had a dance role in the movie The Babe with John Goodman. Prior to that, I was cast in the ABC movie Amerika as the dance double for Lara Flynn Boyle. Stage shows included Pal Joey at the Chicago Goodman Theater starring Kevin Anderson and choreographed by Ann Reinking and a stage production in Los Angeles called MAGIC (Men’s Apparel Guild in California) starring David Copperfield.
How were you cast in “I Can’t Hold Back”?
I was sent on an audition by my agent, Janet Lauer from Shirley Hamilton.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Surprised, delighted, and excited!
Were you a Survivor fan?
I wasn’t familiar with the band prior to being cast. After hearing their music, I was and still am a big fan!
Where was the video filmed?
The video was filmed at three locations in Chicago. The opening scene was shot at a bookstore in a neighborhood called Lincoln Park. The middle scenes were shot at a theatre called Park West and the final scenes were shot on the Chicago “L.” It was the video’s final scenes, inspired by Risky Business (filmed in Chicago), that brought the California-based film crew to cast and shoot the Survivor video in Chicago.
How long was the shoot?
From what I recall, the video shoot was pretty close to being a 17-hour day. The call time was mid- to late morning on a weekday. Following hair and makeup, the bookstore scenes were shot through mid-afternoon. With travel to the second location and filming of the scenes at Park West, wrap time there went into the later part of the evening. It was the video’s final scenes, shot on the Chicago “L,” that made for a very long day. At midnight, the City of Chicago shut down and rerouted one “L” to be used solely for filming. The “L” scenes wrapped up somewhere around 3 a.m.
How did you feel making the video?
I felt extremely happy and very grateful to have been given the opportunity.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
With it being such a long day, staying fresh, especially during the romantic scenes shot on the
“L.”
How was it to work with Survivor? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
When I heard that I was cast in the lead role of “Fantasy Girlfriend” in a music video for “a rock band,” I was petrified. I definitely had preconceived notions of what “a rock band” would look and act like. I could not have been more wrong! The guys were good-looking, friendly, humorous, down-to-earth, and very gentlemen-like.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Nothing that I was aware of.
What did you think of the video?
Before we began shooting, the director of the video, Bob Radler, played “I Can’t Hold Back” for me. I remember clearly how much I fell in love with it before the song even ended! And unaware that my fondness for the song or my gratitude for the opportunity could actually be amplified any more than they already were, Mr. Radler gave me a rundown of what the video’s storyline was going to be. I was ecstatic! I could not have dreamed up a better fairytale romance role for myself. I didn’t have to see the video to know that I was going to simply love it!
What did your parents think of it?
I’m pretty sure they loved it—in a parent kind of way. ;-)
What did your friends think of it?
They thought it was a great video! I don’t think I met a single person who didn’t love that video.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
I did, but unfortunately, I don’t remember where I was. How did I feel? That I remember. I felt fabulous!
Were you ever recognized in public?
A good friend of mine called me after hearing a radio personality talk about me on his morning show. The Chicago DJ was Jonathon Brandmeier and he was telling his listeners that while watching music videos over the weekend, he fell in love with the girl in the Survivor video. He went on to say that he’d have no chance of meeting her because she probably lived in L.A. After hearing that, I sent “Johnny B” my headshot, phone number, and a note letting him know that I actually lived in Chicago.
Randomly one morning while on the air, Johnny B decided to call me. I was on tour with a dance company so instead of having a conversation with me, Johnny B chatted on the air with the person who picked up the phone—my mom.
He carried on a friendly “pigging”—I mean conversation with her—attempting to get as much dirt—I mean information—on me as possible. ;-) And at the end of his conversation with my mom, Johnny B instructed her to have me set up a time when I would be available to chat with him on the air.
Sure enough, Johnny B called and we chatted about the video, my career, and how, when, and where we should meet. By the end of interview, I had an invitation to meet him face-to-face at an advertised event that he would be appearing at and [which would be] attended by fans of his morning show. The invite opened the door for his fans to engage in this friendly new radio relationship.
In anticipation of our meeting, his listeners began calling in with their association and sightings of me, saying “I know Lee Ann,” “I went to high school with her,” “I pumped her gas last week” (shows how long ago that was), “I saw her shopping in Oakbrook”… Well, that was the beginning of a good two years of being stopped for my autograph and recognized in public as “the girl in the Survivor video.”
Any additional stories?
Nationally and internationally, the music video held a record-breaking #1 spot on the charts for, I believe, nine weeks. I had several career opportunities as a result of its success. I received a call with a request to come out to Paramount Studios for a private audition for the hit show Solid Gold. One of the dancers on the show was injured and they were looking to replace her. I flew to California and, just as they said, I had a private audition with the show’s choreographer and producers.
All went well till they told me that the replacement spot was for a dancer [who would need to] tumble. My gymnastic days terminated after my high school graduation so needless to say, I returned to Chicago to resume my career there. Soon afterwards, I was cast in a principal role for a TV commercial for WFYR radio station. The spot was filmed in only red and white, the style inspired by the then-popular Miami Vice.
Did you receive fan mail?
Not that I remember.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
Not that I’m aware of. However, following the shoot, I was told that I would also need to be available for the next video that Survivor was scheduled to shoot, “The Search Is Over.” With the premise of “I Can’t Hold Back” [being] a fantasy [in which] the girl gets away, the storyline to “The Search Is Over” was going to be boy gets the girl. I was excited to be a part of the full-circle love story! [But] that changed [following] the release of “I Can’t Hold Back.” The band’s managers felt that the “I Can’t Hold Back” video was too much of me and not enough of the guys. So “The Search Is Over” video [is] very little storyline and mostly the guys playing in the band.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Yes, I appeared and danced in Linda Clifford’s music video “A Night Out with the Boys.” [MTN: I could not find the video online.]
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
No, I never did.
What did you do following school?
I had a long career as a professional dancer appearing in stage shows across the country and alongside such stars as Tony Randall, Rita Moreno, Joe Namath, and Soupy Sales. Upon studying acting, I appeared in many local and national commercials, industrial videos, and musical theatre productions that led me to become a member of Screen Actors Guild, Actors’ Equity Association, and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.
From 1979 to 1982, I had the pleasure of being a pro cheerleader for the Chicago Bulls and the Chicago Bears and modeled in print ads for various products—workout equipment, apparel, furniture. With my love for the runway, I found a niche for myself as a petite model (I am only 5’4”) and appeared in runway shows at many of the well-known department stores including Neiman Marcus, Marshall Field’s, Carson Pirie Scott, Bloomingdale’s and Nordstrom as well as many on-camera fashion shows for Oprah.
Living in a town with one of the largest convention centers, McCormick Place, I represented hundreds (or maybe dozens?) of companies exhibiting there and throughout the country as a spokesperson and narrator for live presentations. That led to many appearances on QVC as I was selected as the spokesperson for a worldwide launch of a hair care appliance.
What are you doing these days?
With a marketing and design background, I incorporated and founded Lee Ann Marie Productions, Inc. Within my company, I have the pleasure of assisting clients with creative direction and growing their brands, including fashion and wardrobe styling for print, TV, and live trend shows. My communications experience continues in roles both in front of and behind the camera, representing companies as their spokesperson and video producer.
My design and art background have brought me to a current project in a commercial space rehab.
And my modeling career has continued over the years, with a slight change of roles. I have evolved from the character of “video chick” to the “mature woman.” ; - ) And between it all, I am writing a book on God’s gifts discovered from my own life experiences.
Where do you live?
Chicago.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
The day I met [the man who became] my longtime boyfriend, he was encouraged by his friend to walk over and introduce himself and tell me that his favorite music video was “I Can’t Hold Back.” Well, he did walk over but he didn’t introduce himself or tell me that his favorite music video was “I Can’t Hold Back.” Regardless, it all worked out. ;-)
Kids?
No.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
After listening to what you had to say, I thought, “Wow, God’s pretty good with Divine Connections.” ;-)
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No, never.
1985 magazine profile of Lee Ann...and a young actor named John Cusack
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I never appeared at a fan convention. However, at the first concert Survivor performed following the release of “I Can’t Hold Back,” they informed the audience of my presence which led to me signing quite a bit of autographs that evening.
Would I appear at a fan convention to sign autographs? Yes, I would be delighted to!
Did you stay in touch with anyone from the video?
No, I didn’t keep in touch with anyone but it would be wonderful to hear from them again.
Have you seen the reality show Survivor? Would you like to try it?
Yes, I have seen the show and I definitely would not like to try it. I’m also pretty sure that they would never cast me as I am not very good at roughing it.
How do you look back on the experience?
It was one of my favorite bookings throughout my career.
Anything you’d like to add?
When I was cast in the role, the video producer and director were not aware that I was a professional dancer. While filming the scene of me appearing through the puff of smoke (dry ice—of course signifying entering into a dream) to make my way up towards the band performing onstage, I broke into a routine that I choreographed. All were pleasantly surprised!
Tweet about this interview to @survivorband @Jimi_Jamison @jimijamison!
Next: Chicago, “Stay the Night” (1984).
The video: “I Can’t Hold Back” by Survivor.
The girl-now-woman: Lee Ann Marie.
How old were you when you appeared in the “I Can’t Hold Back” video?
I believe I was 26.
Where were you living at the time?
Chicago. However, I was traveling quite a bit with dance companies and shows that I was appearing in.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
Close to the same time that “I Can’t Hold Back” was shot, I was cast in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off as one of the German fräuleins. During the parade scene, I appeared on the float with Matthew Broderick dancing to the songs “Danke Schoen” and “Twist and Shout.”
Lee Ann is the one not getting fake-punched.
Lee Ann is the feathered fräulein on the right.Shortly after that, I had a dance role in the movie The Babe with John Goodman. Prior to that, I was cast in the ABC movie Amerika as the dance double for Lara Flynn Boyle. Stage shows included Pal Joey at the Chicago Goodman Theater starring Kevin Anderson and choreographed by Ann Reinking and a stage production in Los Angeles called MAGIC (Men’s Apparel Guild in California) starring David Copperfield.
How were you cast in “I Can’t Hold Back”?
I was sent on an audition by my agent, Janet Lauer from Shirley Hamilton.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Surprised, delighted, and excited!
Were you a Survivor fan?
I wasn’t familiar with the band prior to being cast. After hearing their music, I was and still am a big fan!
Where was the video filmed?
The video was filmed at three locations in Chicago. The opening scene was shot at a bookstore in a neighborhood called Lincoln Park. The middle scenes were shot at a theatre called Park West and the final scenes were shot on the Chicago “L.” It was the video’s final scenes, inspired by Risky Business (filmed in Chicago), that brought the California-based film crew to cast and shoot the Survivor video in Chicago.
How long was the shoot?
From what I recall, the video shoot was pretty close to being a 17-hour day. The call time was mid- to late morning on a weekday. Following hair and makeup, the bookstore scenes were shot through mid-afternoon. With travel to the second location and filming of the scenes at Park West, wrap time there went into the later part of the evening. It was the video’s final scenes, shot on the Chicago “L,” that made for a very long day. At midnight, the City of Chicago shut down and rerouted one “L” to be used solely for filming. The “L” scenes wrapped up somewhere around 3 a.m.
How did you feel making the video?
I felt extremely happy and very grateful to have been given the opportunity.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
With it being such a long day, staying fresh, especially during the romantic scenes shot on the
“L.”
How was it to work with Survivor? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
When I heard that I was cast in the lead role of “Fantasy Girlfriend” in a music video for “a rock band,” I was petrified. I definitely had preconceived notions of what “a rock band” would look and act like. I could not have been more wrong! The guys were good-looking, friendly, humorous, down-to-earth, and very gentlemen-like.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Nothing that I was aware of.
What did you think of the video?
Before we began shooting, the director of the video, Bob Radler, played “I Can’t Hold Back” for me. I remember clearly how much I fell in love with it before the song even ended! And unaware that my fondness for the song or my gratitude for the opportunity could actually be amplified any more than they already were, Mr. Radler gave me a rundown of what the video’s storyline was going to be. I was ecstatic! I could not have dreamed up a better fairytale romance role for myself. I didn’t have to see the video to know that I was going to simply love it!
What did your parents think of it?
I’m pretty sure they loved it—in a parent kind of way. ;-)
What did your friends think of it?
They thought it was a great video! I don’t think I met a single person who didn’t love that video.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
I did, but unfortunately, I don’t remember where I was. How did I feel? That I remember. I felt fabulous!
Were you ever recognized in public?
A good friend of mine called me after hearing a radio personality talk about me on his morning show. The Chicago DJ was Jonathon Brandmeier and he was telling his listeners that while watching music videos over the weekend, he fell in love with the girl in the Survivor video. He went on to say that he’d have no chance of meeting her because she probably lived in L.A. After hearing that, I sent “Johnny B” my headshot, phone number, and a note letting him know that I actually lived in Chicago.
Randomly one morning while on the air, Johnny B decided to call me. I was on tour with a dance company so instead of having a conversation with me, Johnny B chatted on the air with the person who picked up the phone—my mom.
He carried on a friendly “pigging”—I mean conversation with her—attempting to get as much dirt—I mean information—on me as possible. ;-) And at the end of his conversation with my mom, Johnny B instructed her to have me set up a time when I would be available to chat with him on the air.
Sure enough, Johnny B called and we chatted about the video, my career, and how, when, and where we should meet. By the end of interview, I had an invitation to meet him face-to-face at an advertised event that he would be appearing at and [which would be] attended by fans of his morning show. The invite opened the door for his fans to engage in this friendly new radio relationship.
In anticipation of our meeting, his listeners began calling in with their association and sightings of me, saying “I know Lee Ann,” “I went to high school with her,” “I pumped her gas last week” (shows how long ago that was), “I saw her shopping in Oakbrook”… Well, that was the beginning of a good two years of being stopped for my autograph and recognized in public as “the girl in the Survivor video.”
Any additional stories?
Nationally and internationally, the music video held a record-breaking #1 spot on the charts for, I believe, nine weeks. I had several career opportunities as a result of its success. I received a call with a request to come out to Paramount Studios for a private audition for the hit show Solid Gold. One of the dancers on the show was injured and they were looking to replace her. I flew to California and, just as they said, I had a private audition with the show’s choreographer and producers.
All went well till they told me that the replacement spot was for a dancer [who would need to] tumble. My gymnastic days terminated after my high school graduation so needless to say, I returned to Chicago to resume my career there. Soon afterwards, I was cast in a principal role for a TV commercial for WFYR radio station. The spot was filmed in only red and white, the style inspired by the then-popular Miami Vice.
Did you receive fan mail?
Not that I remember.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
Not that I’m aware of. However, following the shoot, I was told that I would also need to be available for the next video that Survivor was scheduled to shoot, “The Search Is Over.” With the premise of “I Can’t Hold Back” [being] a fantasy [in which] the girl gets away, the storyline to “The Search Is Over” was going to be boy gets the girl. I was excited to be a part of the full-circle love story! [But] that changed [following] the release of “I Can’t Hold Back.” The band’s managers felt that the “I Can’t Hold Back” video was too much of me and not enough of the guys. So “The Search Is Over” video [is] very little storyline and mostly the guys playing in the band.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Yes, I appeared and danced in Linda Clifford’s music video “A Night Out with the Boys.” [MTN: I could not find the video online.]
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
No, I never did.
What did you do following school?
I had a long career as a professional dancer appearing in stage shows across the country and alongside such stars as Tony Randall, Rita Moreno, Joe Namath, and Soupy Sales. Upon studying acting, I appeared in many local and national commercials, industrial videos, and musical theatre productions that led me to become a member of Screen Actors Guild, Actors’ Equity Association, and the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists.
From 1979 to 1982, I had the pleasure of being a pro cheerleader for the Chicago Bulls and the Chicago Bears and modeled in print ads for various products—workout equipment, apparel, furniture. With my love for the runway, I found a niche for myself as a petite model (I am only 5’4”) and appeared in runway shows at many of the well-known department stores including Neiman Marcus, Marshall Field’s, Carson Pirie Scott, Bloomingdale’s and Nordstrom as well as many on-camera fashion shows for Oprah.
Living in a town with one of the largest convention centers, McCormick Place, I represented hundreds (or maybe dozens?) of companies exhibiting there and throughout the country as a spokesperson and narrator for live presentations. That led to many appearances on QVC as I was selected as the spokesperson for a worldwide launch of a hair care appliance.
What are you doing these days?
With a marketing and design background, I incorporated and founded Lee Ann Marie Productions, Inc. Within my company, I have the pleasure of assisting clients with creative direction and growing their brands, including fashion and wardrobe styling for print, TV, and live trend shows. My communications experience continues in roles both in front of and behind the camera, representing companies as their spokesperson and video producer.
My design and art background have brought me to a current project in a commercial space rehab.
And my modeling career has continued over the years, with a slight change of roles. I have evolved from the character of “video chick” to the “mature woman.” ; - ) And between it all, I am writing a book on God’s gifts discovered from my own life experiences.
Where do you live?
Chicago.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
The day I met [the man who became] my longtime boyfriend, he was encouraged by his friend to walk over and introduce himself and tell me that his favorite music video was “I Can’t Hold Back.” Well, he did walk over but he didn’t introduce himself or tell me that his favorite music video was “I Can’t Hold Back.” Regardless, it all worked out. ;-)
Kids?
No.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
After listening to what you had to say, I thought, “Wow, God’s pretty good with Divine Connections.” ;-)
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No, never.
1985 magazine profile of Lee Ann...and a young actor named John CusackHave you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I never appeared at a fan convention. However, at the first concert Survivor performed following the release of “I Can’t Hold Back,” they informed the audience of my presence which led to me signing quite a bit of autographs that evening.
Would I appear at a fan convention to sign autographs? Yes, I would be delighted to!
Did you stay in touch with anyone from the video?
No, I didn’t keep in touch with anyone but it would be wonderful to hear from them again.
Have you seen the reality show Survivor? Would you like to try it?
Yes, I have seen the show and I definitely would not like to try it. I’m also pretty sure that they would never cast me as I am not very good at roughing it.
How do you look back on the experience?
It was one of my favorite bookings throughout my career.
Anything you’d like to add?
When I was cast in the role, the video producer and director were not aware that I was a professional dancer. While filming the scene of me appearing through the puff of smoke (dry ice—of course signifying entering into a dream) to make my way up towards the band performing onstage, I broke into a routine that I choreographed. All were pleasantly surprised!
Tweet about this interview to @survivorband @Jimi_Jamison @jimijamison!
Next: Chicago, “Stay the Night” (1984).
July 16, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Missing You” (1984)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Missing You” by John Waite.
The girl-now-woman: Liz Whitney (Elizabeth Reiko Kubota).
How old were you when you appeared in the “Missing You” video?
26.
Where were you living at the time?
The Los Angeles area.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I think prior to that I had performed in stage shows, but not sure of when I started getting TV and movie roles.
How were you cast in “Missing You”?
I auditioned for the role through my agent.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
I was really excited since this was my first main role on video.
Had you heard of John Waite?
I actually had not heard of him. I was told he was in a group called Babys and this was his first [release] as a solo artist.
Where was the video filmed?
It was filmed in downtown Los Angeles, if I remember correctly.
How long was the shoot?
I think my part was maybe two days. The first day was a very long day and a long night. I think I came back for a second day, but my shoot on the second day did not take that long. I remember hanging around after I was finished shooting to watch them shoot John Waite perform the song in a nightclub. The stage was black and there was just overhead lighting on him. They show that scene at the end of the video. I loved watching him perform in that scene. I became an instant fan of his.
How did you feel making the video?
I had a wonderful experience with the whole process. John was very nice to me and I felt comfortable working with him. Kort [Kort Falkenberg III], the director, was wonderful to work with as [was] everyone else involved with the production, from hair and makeup, costuming, and the crew.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
There is a dinner scene where we are breaking up and I am supposed to be crying. This was the last scene that we were shooting for the night (I think it may have been early morning by this time). Everyone was so tired…the crew especially, [since they] had been there since early morning. We all just wanted to wrap for the day, but we had to finish shooting the scene.
My eyes at this point were like a desert, they were so dry. I felt so bad because I was keeping everyone there and everyone had to be back the next morning. I remember going to the bathroom and putting water on them. Someone told me to think of my pet dying. Someone suggested getting an onion to make my eyes water. Believe me, I was so tired that I wanted to cry.
How was it to work with John Waite? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
As I mentioned earlier, I did not know who he was so I did not have any expectations. He was very nice and on the quiet side. He was a perfect gentleman. I enjoyed working with him and as I also mentioned earlier, I loved watching him perform his song.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
I don’t remember any funny stories. But I do remember sitting and talking with John between takes during the scene where I was wearing a teddy and jumping out of the closet onto him and we fall back on the bed. I had a bathrobe on until we were ready to shoot. I remember him asking me if I felt uncomfortable having to wear just the teddy.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
I don’t remember anything going wrong in the scenes that I was in.
What did you think of the video?
I loved it. I loved that song and still do every time I hear it.
What did your parents think of it?
I don’t really remember what my parents thought of it. I know they were proud of me whenever I was in a show and always came to my performances.
What did your friends think of it?
They all loved it. In 1984, it was in heavy rotation on MTV. I remember my friends telling me that they were waking up to me and going to sleep watching me.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Okay, now you are really testing my memory. I probably watched it with the director and the producer, but I don’t really remember. If it premiered in the summer, then I would have been working doing summer stock at Sacramento Music Circus in California.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I don’t think it did. I didn’t really tell people unless they asked if they would have seen me in anything [after] I told them I was an actress/singer.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I have received fan mail, but I don’t think it was from the “Missing You” video. I don’t think there are any credits in the video.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
I don’t know of any controversy from the video.
What were you paid?
I don’t remember. I was happy to be working and earning a paycheck.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was in a department store and the sales girl said that I looked familiar to her. I asked her if she had seen the “Missing You” music video and she had. I told her I was the girl in the video and she thought I was John Waite’s girlfriend in real life. That happened back in ‘84 or ‘85. That actually happened more than once where people thought I was his real-life girlfriend.
Another time I went back for my high school’s 10th reunion and I won a prize for being in the music video. On that same trip home, I was at a bar with a friend and they were playing the “Missing You” video. My friend told the bartender that I was the girl in the music video and he didn’t believe it at first. (I come from a small town.) He wanted to know why I would be there if I had been in the video.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
I was friends with the late Carl Anderson; after “Missing You” became the #1 music video for 1984, he asked me to be in his next video, “Can’t Stop This Feeling.” He thought I would be good luck. I had a small part as a geisha.
I was also in a Jeff Beck video. The premise of the video was an audition for his music video. I was one of many, sitting waiting for my turn. Again, I appear in spanning shots, so my face time is brief. It was a fun shoot, though, because they had well known celebrities auditioning singing while Jeff Beck played the guitar. He was amazing to watch play. Marilyn McCoo and Donny Osmond were a couple of the celebrities who sang. Dr. Joyce Brothers also has an appearance where she’s talking while she’s waiting for her turn.
I appeared in a children’s music video by Together Again Productions called “Good Night, Sleep Tight.” That was part of a series of VHS videos that you [could buy].
The last music video I was in was a karaoke video for George Harrison’s “Something.” That would get played at karaoke bars in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
I met Courteney Cox on her TV series Misfits of Science. I played a nurse on one of the episodes and was in two short scenes with her.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I received a BA in Theater Arts from UCLA.
What are you doing these days?
Our youngest daughter is now a freshman in college, but we still have two dogs at home. I am keeping busy with various projects and going to parents’ weekends at both of our girls in college.
2014
Where do you live?
I live just north of New York City.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
He liked the video so I guess he was impressed. I don’t really remember.
How many kids do you have?
We have three daughters, ages 30, 21, and 18.
What do they think of the video?
They all like it. My youngest told her teachers and friends in high school and they watched it on YouTube.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I wasn’t quite sure what to think. I have warned my girls to be careful what they post online because you never know who may see it.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
Yes, for my high school newspaper. I think it was in 1985.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I have not and probably would not now.
Did you stay in touch with anyone from the video?
I did stay in touch with the director.
When was the last time you were in touch?
I moved to New York a few years after the music video and lost touch.
How do you look back on the experience?
It was a very positive experience and one I feel fortunate to have had.
Anything you’d like to add?
It has always been a conversation piece for my family. I have the VHS copy, but now my girls can bring it up on YouTube and show their friends.
Tweet about this interview to @John_Waite!
Next: Survivor, “I Can’t Hold Back” (1984).
The video: “Missing You” by John Waite.
The girl-now-woman: Liz Whitney (Elizabeth Reiko Kubota).
How old were you when you appeared in the “Missing You” video?
26.
Where were you living at the time?
The Los Angeles area.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I think prior to that I had performed in stage shows, but not sure of when I started getting TV and movie roles.
How were you cast in “Missing You”?
I auditioned for the role through my agent.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
I was really excited since this was my first main role on video.
Had you heard of John Waite?
I actually had not heard of him. I was told he was in a group called Babys and this was his first [release] as a solo artist.
Where was the video filmed?
It was filmed in downtown Los Angeles, if I remember correctly.
How long was the shoot?
I think my part was maybe two days. The first day was a very long day and a long night. I think I came back for a second day, but my shoot on the second day did not take that long. I remember hanging around after I was finished shooting to watch them shoot John Waite perform the song in a nightclub. The stage was black and there was just overhead lighting on him. They show that scene at the end of the video. I loved watching him perform in that scene. I became an instant fan of his.
How did you feel making the video?
I had a wonderful experience with the whole process. John was very nice to me and I felt comfortable working with him. Kort [Kort Falkenberg III], the director, was wonderful to work with as [was] everyone else involved with the production, from hair and makeup, costuming, and the crew.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
There is a dinner scene where we are breaking up and I am supposed to be crying. This was the last scene that we were shooting for the night (I think it may have been early morning by this time). Everyone was so tired…the crew especially, [since they] had been there since early morning. We all just wanted to wrap for the day, but we had to finish shooting the scene.
My eyes at this point were like a desert, they were so dry. I felt so bad because I was keeping everyone there and everyone had to be back the next morning. I remember going to the bathroom and putting water on them. Someone told me to think of my pet dying. Someone suggested getting an onion to make my eyes water. Believe me, I was so tired that I wanted to cry.
How was it to work with John Waite? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
As I mentioned earlier, I did not know who he was so I did not have any expectations. He was very nice and on the quiet side. He was a perfect gentleman. I enjoyed working with him and as I also mentioned earlier, I loved watching him perform his song.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
I don’t remember any funny stories. But I do remember sitting and talking with John between takes during the scene where I was wearing a teddy and jumping out of the closet onto him and we fall back on the bed. I had a bathrobe on until we were ready to shoot. I remember him asking me if I felt uncomfortable having to wear just the teddy.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
I don’t remember anything going wrong in the scenes that I was in.
What did you think of the video?
I loved it. I loved that song and still do every time I hear it.
What did your parents think of it?
I don’t really remember what my parents thought of it. I know they were proud of me whenever I was in a show and always came to my performances.
What did your friends think of it?
They all loved it. In 1984, it was in heavy rotation on MTV. I remember my friends telling me that they were waking up to me and going to sleep watching me.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Okay, now you are really testing my memory. I probably watched it with the director and the producer, but I don’t really remember. If it premiered in the summer, then I would have been working doing summer stock at Sacramento Music Circus in California.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I don’t think it did. I didn’t really tell people unless they asked if they would have seen me in anything [after] I told them I was an actress/singer.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I have received fan mail, but I don’t think it was from the “Missing You” video. I don’t think there are any credits in the video.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
I don’t know of any controversy from the video.
What were you paid?
I don’t remember. I was happy to be working and earning a paycheck.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was in a department store and the sales girl said that I looked familiar to her. I asked her if she had seen the “Missing You” music video and she had. I told her I was the girl in the video and she thought I was John Waite’s girlfriend in real life. That happened back in ‘84 or ‘85. That actually happened more than once where people thought I was his real-life girlfriend.
Another time I went back for my high school’s 10th reunion and I won a prize for being in the music video. On that same trip home, I was at a bar with a friend and they were playing the “Missing You” video. My friend told the bartender that I was the girl in the music video and he didn’t believe it at first. (I come from a small town.) He wanted to know why I would be there if I had been in the video.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
I was friends with the late Carl Anderson; after “Missing You” became the #1 music video for 1984, he asked me to be in his next video, “Can’t Stop This Feeling.” He thought I would be good luck. I had a small part as a geisha.
I was also in a Jeff Beck video. The premise of the video was an audition for his music video. I was one of many, sitting waiting for my turn. Again, I appear in spanning shots, so my face time is brief. It was a fun shoot, though, because they had well known celebrities auditioning singing while Jeff Beck played the guitar. He was amazing to watch play. Marilyn McCoo and Donny Osmond were a couple of the celebrities who sang. Dr. Joyce Brothers also has an appearance where she’s talking while she’s waiting for her turn.
I appeared in a children’s music video by Together Again Productions called “Good Night, Sleep Tight.” That was part of a series of VHS videos that you [could buy].
The last music video I was in was a karaoke video for George Harrison’s “Something.” That would get played at karaoke bars in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
I met Courteney Cox on her TV series Misfits of Science. I played a nurse on one of the episodes and was in two short scenes with her.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I received a BA in Theater Arts from UCLA.
What are you doing these days?
Our youngest daughter is now a freshman in college, but we still have two dogs at home. I am keeping busy with various projects and going to parents’ weekends at both of our girls in college.
2014Where do you live?
I live just north of New York City.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
He liked the video so I guess he was impressed. I don’t really remember.
How many kids do you have?
We have three daughters, ages 30, 21, and 18.
What do they think of the video?
They all like it. My youngest told her teachers and friends in high school and they watched it on YouTube.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I wasn’t quite sure what to think. I have warned my girls to be careful what they post online because you never know who may see it.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
Yes, for my high school newspaper. I think it was in 1985.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I have not and probably would not now.
Did you stay in touch with anyone from the video?
I did stay in touch with the director.
When was the last time you were in touch?
I moved to New York a few years after the music video and lost touch.
How do you look back on the experience?
It was a very positive experience and one I feel fortunate to have had.
Anything you’d like to add?
It has always been a conversation piece for my family. I have the VHS copy, but now my girls can bring it up on YouTube and show their friends.
Tweet about this interview to @John_Waite!
Next: Survivor, “I Can’t Hold Back” (1984).
July 15, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Infatuation” (1984)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Infatuation” by Rod Stewart.
The girl-now-woman: Kay Lenz.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Infatuation” video?
31.
Where were you living at the time?
Hollywood Hills, CA.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
That was my first music video, but I had been working in film and TV since the age of 13. I’ve been fortunate that there are too many things to list here.
How were you cast?
Jonathan Kaplan, the director, called and asked if I would do the video.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
I said yes without reservation. I had worked with Jonathan three times before this and he was one of my favorite directors. I was in rehearsal for a play at the time and my first concern was being able to fit the video into my schedule. After discussing the logistics of me doing the video, Jonathan said to me, “Kay, are you at all interested in whose video this is? You haven’t even asked.” He was right, I had not asked because working with him again was all I was interested in.
Then he told me it was a Rod Stewart video. I thought, “Rod Stewart!” Why do you want to hire me? Stewart’s videos showcased exceptionally beautiful, leggy, blond women. A category I was not in. Jonathan said that they needed someone who could act, that it was not just a performance video but also an acting piece. I was happy to do this before I knew it was a Rod Stewart video, now I was thrilled.
Were you a Rod Stewart fan?
Of course. Who wasn’t?
Where was the video filmed?
In various practical locations in Hollywood. The merry-go-round scene was filmed in Griffith Park.
How long was the shoot?
Approximately four days.
How did you feel making the video?
I felt the way I always do when I am working…happy and grateful to be working.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
I am not comfortable in front of a still camera, so the day spent taking all the still photographs that were hung on the walls in Rod Stewart’s character’s apartment was a bit difficult for me. The shoot itself was not hard; it went smoothly and without a hitch.
How was it to work with Rod Stewart? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
It was wonderful to work with him. He is smart, interesting, and involved. He was a perfect gentleman. He treated me with professional respect and kindness. I think we worked very well together.
I also want to express what a privilege it was meeting Jeff Beck, whom I had respected for many years.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Jonathan told me that they would be blowing up one of the photographs that they had taken of me. I thought that meant a life-sized photo; I’m only 5’3”. When I came to the set the night they were shooting the performance part of the video—i.e. Rod Stewart in front of this photograph—I was there for an hour before I even noticed the photograph. It was at least 12x12 foot. It was so big I didn’t notice it.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
No, nothing.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was smart, creatively unique for music videos at that time, beautifully photographed, and well edited. Jonathan’s brilliant touch was evident throughout the video. As a huge Hitchcock fan, I loved the reference in this video to one of my favorite films, Rear Window.
And let’s not forget that “Infatuation” was and still is a fantastic song.
What did your parents think of it?
They loved it.
What did your friends think of it?
My colleagues and friends felt the same way I did about video—creative, unique, and extremely well done.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that
feel?
No, I rarely watch work that I’ve done. But when I did see it, I loved it.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
Yes, it made me happy to hear how much people enjoyed the video. I still receive fan
mail to this day.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
There was no controversy around this video.
What were you paid?
I can’t remember.
Were you ever recognized in public?
Yes, I was recognized as the girl in the “Infatuation” video. It developed a new fan base for me: 8- to 16-year-old boys.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Only music videos having to do with soundtracks for films I appeared in.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Haven’t met any.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I spent only a short time in college because I started acting full-time in my late teens. When I was there, I studied psychology.
What are you doing these days?
Fortunately I continue to do what I love, acting.
Where do you live?
Malibu, CA.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was not married at the time.
Kids?
I do not have children.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I am and always will be very private. I shy away from most personal interviews. This interview, however, is about the opportunity to sing the praises of the people involved in making this video three decades later.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs?
Yes I have.
Did you stay in touch with Rod Stewart?
It was a working situation with the exception of his gracious invitations to attend several concerts.
When was the last time you were in touch?
In the mid-eighties.
How do you look back on the experience?
I treasure the memories of that experience.
Anything you’d like to add?
As someone who is not musical—who mouths “Happy Birthday”—it was unexpected and remains dear to my heart that this video is considered a part of rock history.
Tweet about this interview to @rodstewart @TheRealKayLenz!
Next: John Waite, “Missing You” (1984).
The video: “Infatuation” by Rod Stewart.
The girl-now-woman: Kay Lenz.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Infatuation” video?
31.
Where were you living at the time?
Hollywood Hills, CA.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
That was my first music video, but I had been working in film and TV since the age of 13. I’ve been fortunate that there are too many things to list here.
How were you cast?
Jonathan Kaplan, the director, called and asked if I would do the video.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
I said yes without reservation. I had worked with Jonathan three times before this and he was one of my favorite directors. I was in rehearsal for a play at the time and my first concern was being able to fit the video into my schedule. After discussing the logistics of me doing the video, Jonathan said to me, “Kay, are you at all interested in whose video this is? You haven’t even asked.” He was right, I had not asked because working with him again was all I was interested in.
Then he told me it was a Rod Stewart video. I thought, “Rod Stewart!” Why do you want to hire me? Stewart’s videos showcased exceptionally beautiful, leggy, blond women. A category I was not in. Jonathan said that they needed someone who could act, that it was not just a performance video but also an acting piece. I was happy to do this before I knew it was a Rod Stewart video, now I was thrilled.
Were you a Rod Stewart fan?
Of course. Who wasn’t?
Where was the video filmed?
In various practical locations in Hollywood. The merry-go-round scene was filmed in Griffith Park.
How long was the shoot?
Approximately four days.
How did you feel making the video?
I felt the way I always do when I am working…happy and grateful to be working.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
I am not comfortable in front of a still camera, so the day spent taking all the still photographs that were hung on the walls in Rod Stewart’s character’s apartment was a bit difficult for me. The shoot itself was not hard; it went smoothly and without a hitch.
How was it to work with Rod Stewart? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
It was wonderful to work with him. He is smart, interesting, and involved. He was a perfect gentleman. He treated me with professional respect and kindness. I think we worked very well together.
I also want to express what a privilege it was meeting Jeff Beck, whom I had respected for many years.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Jonathan told me that they would be blowing up one of the photographs that they had taken of me. I thought that meant a life-sized photo; I’m only 5’3”. When I came to the set the night they were shooting the performance part of the video—i.e. Rod Stewart in front of this photograph—I was there for an hour before I even noticed the photograph. It was at least 12x12 foot. It was so big I didn’t notice it.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
No, nothing.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was smart, creatively unique for music videos at that time, beautifully photographed, and well edited. Jonathan’s brilliant touch was evident throughout the video. As a huge Hitchcock fan, I loved the reference in this video to one of my favorite films, Rear Window.
And let’s not forget that “Infatuation” was and still is a fantastic song.
What did your parents think of it?
They loved it.
What did your friends think of it?
My colleagues and friends felt the same way I did about video—creative, unique, and extremely well done.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that
feel?
No, I rarely watch work that I’ve done. But when I did see it, I loved it.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
Yes, it made me happy to hear how much people enjoyed the video. I still receive fan
mail to this day.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
There was no controversy around this video.
What were you paid?
I can’t remember.
Were you ever recognized in public?
Yes, I was recognized as the girl in the “Infatuation” video. It developed a new fan base for me: 8- to 16-year-old boys.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Only music videos having to do with soundtracks for films I appeared in.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Haven’t met any.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I spent only a short time in college because I started acting full-time in my late teens. When I was there, I studied psychology.
What are you doing these days?
Fortunately I continue to do what I love, acting.
Where do you live?
Malibu, CA.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was not married at the time.
Kids?
I do not have children.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I am and always will be very private. I shy away from most personal interviews. This interview, however, is about the opportunity to sing the praises of the people involved in making this video three decades later.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs?
Yes I have.
Did you stay in touch with Rod Stewart?
It was a working situation with the exception of his gracious invitations to attend several concerts.
When was the last time you were in touch?
In the mid-eighties.
How do you look back on the experience?
I treasure the memories of that experience.
Anything you’d like to add?
As someone who is not musical—who mouths “Happy Birthday”—it was unexpected and remains dear to my heart that this video is considered a part of rock history.
Tweet about this interview to @rodstewart @TheRealKayLenz!
Next: John Waite, “Missing You” (1984).
July 14, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Sister Christian” (1984)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Sister Christian” by Night Ranger.
The girl-now-woman: Macha Bennet-Shephard.
Macha would have been far easier to find if I had known she no longer went by the name “Annie Hubbard.” And it wasn’t just the maiden name that is gone; the first name changed, too.
How I found Annie-now-Macha (take a big breath...and this is not even every step):
A “Cheryl” in Westland, MI posted on Songfacts, revealing Annie’s name and city at the time.I eventually discovered that Cheryl also posted on IMDB, but with her last name, Carey.I searched for Cheryl Careys in Westland and found the right one; she said she’d been trying to find out what happened to Annie for a while; her additional recollections, alas, were limited (Ritz Café, friends with Dating Game staffer David Greenberg, lived on Sunset Boulevard in early ‘80s but not with Cheryl, though on Songfacts she said they had been roommates).Based on another Songfacts poster’s hunch, I called a Little Rock, AR beautician named Anne Hubbard. Her officemate said “That’s not her,” then Anne herself came on the phone and kindly and convincingly said she is not the one from the video. However, when I showed Cheryl a photo of that Anne, Cheryl said “That is her!” I called Anne back, leaving a message explaining that it would save me time if she would let me know if it was in fact her in the video, even if she does not want to do an interview; however, people connected to her on Facebook who can see her birthday then confirmed that she is too young to have been in that video. Sorry I second-guessed you, Anne!The video was shot at San Rafael High School in San Rafael, CA. I contacted people who were students there at the time; all remembered the shoot but none remembered useful details about Annie.I learned that the three most likely high schools for someone from Cupertino would be Cupertino, Monta Vista, and Homestead.A contact at Cupertino High School checked and Annie didn’t appear to go there.Cupertino Library looked through yearbooks for Monta Vista and Homestead from my estimated years of 1978-1982 and found no Hubbards in either except for Janice Hubbard, class of 1980, at Monta Vista. I contacted her but did not hear back.I asked the high schools (in particular San Rafael High School) if they’d archived an article about the video shoot (I assume a school paper would have covered something as atypical as that), but no luck.I called various Hubbards in the 1982 Cupertino area phone book and Hubbards there now, but no luck.I asked Jeff Watson of Night Ranger via writer Paul Liberatore; Jeff kindly responded but did not remember useful details.I asked other former San Francisco models in this series (Signy Coleman, Janet Cross, Sandra Wilder) if by chance they knew Annie. Janet and Sandra didn’t but suggested checking with San Francisco modeling agencies. I asked which in particular, which led me to former modeling agency head John Anderson (I saw on LinkedIn that he merged two agencies in the 1980s and is now in construction); he remembered Annie and told me to contact Joan Spangler at Look Talent (one of the two he merged, I believe), whom I had already emailed earlier that same day. At the same time, I asked John if he remembered any of Annie’s friends; he didn’t and Joan had no info on Annie.I tweeted my quest, also asking others to do so.I posted a screen grab from the video on the Cupertino Facebook page, thinking that while such efforts usually go nowhere, I had to continue trying any possibility; a few days later, someone named Robin responded…recognizing the photo as Ann Hubbard, Lynbrook High School class of 1982—and even posted her yearbook photo! (Of the possible high schools a Cupertinoian could have attended, I was told Lynbrook—which is actually in adjacent San Jose—would have been the least likely, so I did not even contact them. Relearned a lesson I already knew...try every lead!)For the first time in my research for this project, I used Classmates.com because it posts scans of whole yearbooks; however, Ann did not appear in Lynbrook ‘82. It turned out that the yearbook photo Robin posted is Ann and is from that school but is from the 1980 yearbook, in which Ann appears in the sophomore section; in other words, she would have graduated Lynbrook in 1982…had she stayed at that school.I contacted Lynbrook ‘82 graduates in search of names of people who planned their latest reunion. I found one, and she gave me various names including Robert (not his real name) Hubbard—who turned out to be Ann’s brother—but she did not know where he lives now. I called Robert Hubbards I found in public directories till I reached Ann’s sister-in-law, who was most kind. She said Ann no longer goes by “Ann Hubbard” and said she’d asked Robert (who is a pilot and who was flying at the moment) if it would be okay to tell me more.
The yearbook photo.
The next day, Macha emailed me.
Where you going
What you looking for?
Indeed.
How do you pronounce your first name?
“Ma-sha,” like a New Yorker saying “Marsha.” :-)
How old were you when you appeared in the “Sister Christian” video?
19.
Where were you living at the time?
When I was cast for and during the shooting, I lived in San Francisco, not far from the Mint.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I had done one PSA for car seat safety for babies. (I always seemed to get auditions for young mothers or airline stewardesses.)
first photo shoot
first photo shoot
How were you cast in “Sister Christian”?
One of my agents—I think I had five at the time—called me with the one and only audition he ever got for me, if I recall correctly. He said it was for some sort of musical, which made me most nervous as I thought it would possibly require singing or dancing. Neither is in my skill set.
The audition itself was in a hotel room with the director’s wife, Mary Rezeka (sp?) [NOTE: Mary Guida directed the “Sister Christian” video, and she and fellow former video director Mark Rezyka know each other]. She looked at me, asked me a few questions, and that was pretty much it.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
No, [but] knowing me I’d assume I was anxious and very excited. But mostly anxious.
Had you already heard of Night Ranger?
No. But I’ve never been someone who pays attention to what’s “in” at any given time, so that doesn’t mean much.
Where was the video filmed?
In a high school not far north of San Francisco. [San Rafael High School]
How long was the shoot?
I’m not sure, but I think it was a two-day shoot.
How did you feel making the video?
Great. It was fun. It was odd being the “star” character, but it was a pretty small, low-key production, so it wasn’t too much.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Nothing, really. It went well as far as I could tell, and my part was pretty easy. The hardest part of any shoot is always the “hurry up and wait” thing.
How was it to work with Night Ranger? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
Now how did such an indelicate question get in here? I’m quite sure it must have been a mistake, so I’ll just pretend it wasn’t asked. The band were, of course, all complete gentlemen. ;-)
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Um…no, not really. Not that I can remember. There’s a brief shot of nuns at the top of the staircase, waving as the girls go down the stairs—they were on roller skates. That doesn’t qualify as funny, but I’m afraid it’s the best I can do at the moment. If I do remember any I’ll of course send it on…
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Not that I can remember. From my 19-year-old perspective, it ran like a well-oiled machine.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was “tame” at the time. Now I look back and think that for the most part, it was in pretty good taste compared to some of the other stuff being made at the time. It’s stood the test of time better.
What did your parents think of it?
That’s a good question. I don’t really know. They didn’t say much.
What did your friends think of it?
They loved it. And they loved having a friend who was in it.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
You’re going to hate me—I don’t remember. Probably not. Maybe I did.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I don’t think so. I didn’t/don’t date a lot. I usually didn’t tell people right off the bat, only after I got to know them. Now I hardly tell anyone. :-)
How did it come to pass that you were also in “When You Close Your Eyes”?
I don’t remember. I think it was all arranged over the phone; they were hoping to recreate the success of “Sister Christian.”
What was that shoot like? Any stories about the chimp (or anything else that happened on set)?
The chimp’s trainer was down in the foot space (don’t know what that’s called) and had an immense chain attached to the chimp. That added a rather disturbing element to the scene. I really liked the chimp. But then I like animals better than people.
There was a scene where I had to throw a flower in the band member’s face (my character’s boyfriend) and I just couldn’t seem to do it. I don’t throw things in people’s faces and couldn’t seem to get beyond it.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
No. I never got mail, even before I changed my name.
Why did you change your name?
It was due to personal family issues that are best left alone.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
No.
What were you paid?
$250. :-)
Were you ever recognized in public?
Yes, I used to get recognized. All. The. Time. People used to ask for my autograph, which I found funny as they had no idea what my name [was]. It always seemed I was more likely to be recognized when I was running down to the corner store for some half and half first thing in the morning, no makeup on, in sweats, hair not brushed…
I don’t know if you remember, but at the height of its popularity, that video was shown every single hour. I’d turn on MTV and see myself on TV at pretty much any given time. That’s a very strange thing. Feeling blue? Turn on the TV and see yourself! Instant mood-lifter!
another from the first photo shoot
after she started at Cal State L.A., by which time she had changed her name
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
The next one—“When You Close Your Eyes”—but nobody seems to remember that one.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
No, I don’t think so.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
Yes. I went to Cal State LA first, then transferred to Art Center College of Design and graduated with honors with a BFA in fine arts/painting.
What are you doing these days?
Mostly I “mom.” I have an image consultancy, but I’m not putting a lot of energy into it at the moment. The economy isn’t really in the proper condition to support such a “luxury” service, so I’m not pushing very hard. And momming is pretty time consuming anyway.
Where do you live?
Los Angeles.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was married. He remembered it and thought it was pretty “neat.” Most people my age remember it.
How many kids do you have?
One son, nine years old.
What does he think of the video?
He doesn’t really get how big MTV was at the time or how popular this video was. He makes animated films (at his school, he’s won the PTA art contest in the “film production” category two years running) and I’m sure some day he’ll appreciate it. He’s just a little young.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
“How the hell did you find me?” :-)
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No. No one has found me before.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I haven’t. I’d definitely be interested in hearing about doing this.
Did you stay in touch with anyone from Night Ranger?
No. I’m not exactly an extrovert, and not particularly social—in case you couldn’t tell.
When was the last time you were in touch?
During the shooting of the video.
How do you look back on the experience?
I’m very glad it happened and that I had the experience. It’s something I’ll always “have.” Like I said before, I feel this has stood the test of time and has aged well. I’m proud of it.
Anything you’d like to add?
When I think of anything, I’ll send it along. (I’ll undoubtedly think of lots of things to add as soon as I hit the send button.)
Tweet about this interview to @nightranger @MBennetShephard!
Next: Rod Stewart, “Infatuation” (1984).
The video: “Sister Christian” by Night Ranger.
The girl-now-woman: Macha Bennet-Shephard.
Macha would have been far easier to find if I had known she no longer went by the name “Annie Hubbard.” And it wasn’t just the maiden name that is gone; the first name changed, too.
How I found Annie-now-Macha (take a big breath...and this is not even every step):
A “Cheryl” in Westland, MI posted on Songfacts, revealing Annie’s name and city at the time.I eventually discovered that Cheryl also posted on IMDB, but with her last name, Carey.I searched for Cheryl Careys in Westland and found the right one; she said she’d been trying to find out what happened to Annie for a while; her additional recollections, alas, were limited (Ritz Café, friends with Dating Game staffer David Greenberg, lived on Sunset Boulevard in early ‘80s but not with Cheryl, though on Songfacts she said they had been roommates).Based on another Songfacts poster’s hunch, I called a Little Rock, AR beautician named Anne Hubbard. Her officemate said “That’s not her,” then Anne herself came on the phone and kindly and convincingly said she is not the one from the video. However, when I showed Cheryl a photo of that Anne, Cheryl said “That is her!” I called Anne back, leaving a message explaining that it would save me time if she would let me know if it was in fact her in the video, even if she does not want to do an interview; however, people connected to her on Facebook who can see her birthday then confirmed that she is too young to have been in that video. Sorry I second-guessed you, Anne!The video was shot at San Rafael High School in San Rafael, CA. I contacted people who were students there at the time; all remembered the shoot but none remembered useful details about Annie.I learned that the three most likely high schools for someone from Cupertino would be Cupertino, Monta Vista, and Homestead.A contact at Cupertino High School checked and Annie didn’t appear to go there.Cupertino Library looked through yearbooks for Monta Vista and Homestead from my estimated years of 1978-1982 and found no Hubbards in either except for Janice Hubbard, class of 1980, at Monta Vista. I contacted her but did not hear back.I asked the high schools (in particular San Rafael High School) if they’d archived an article about the video shoot (I assume a school paper would have covered something as atypical as that), but no luck.I called various Hubbards in the 1982 Cupertino area phone book and Hubbards there now, but no luck.I asked Jeff Watson of Night Ranger via writer Paul Liberatore; Jeff kindly responded but did not remember useful details.I asked other former San Francisco models in this series (Signy Coleman, Janet Cross, Sandra Wilder) if by chance they knew Annie. Janet and Sandra didn’t but suggested checking with San Francisco modeling agencies. I asked which in particular, which led me to former modeling agency head John Anderson (I saw on LinkedIn that he merged two agencies in the 1980s and is now in construction); he remembered Annie and told me to contact Joan Spangler at Look Talent (one of the two he merged, I believe), whom I had already emailed earlier that same day. At the same time, I asked John if he remembered any of Annie’s friends; he didn’t and Joan had no info on Annie.I tweeted my quest, also asking others to do so.I posted a screen grab from the video on the Cupertino Facebook page, thinking that while such efforts usually go nowhere, I had to continue trying any possibility; a few days later, someone named Robin responded…recognizing the photo as Ann Hubbard, Lynbrook High School class of 1982—and even posted her yearbook photo! (Of the possible high schools a Cupertinoian could have attended, I was told Lynbrook—which is actually in adjacent San Jose—would have been the least likely, so I did not even contact them. Relearned a lesson I already knew...try every lead!)For the first time in my research for this project, I used Classmates.com because it posts scans of whole yearbooks; however, Ann did not appear in Lynbrook ‘82. It turned out that the yearbook photo Robin posted is Ann and is from that school but is from the 1980 yearbook, in which Ann appears in the sophomore section; in other words, she would have graduated Lynbrook in 1982…had she stayed at that school.I contacted Lynbrook ‘82 graduates in search of names of people who planned their latest reunion. I found one, and she gave me various names including Robert (not his real name) Hubbard—who turned out to be Ann’s brother—but she did not know where he lives now. I called Robert Hubbards I found in public directories till I reached Ann’s sister-in-law, who was most kind. She said Ann no longer goes by “Ann Hubbard” and said she’d asked Robert (who is a pilot and who was flying at the moment) if it would be okay to tell me more.
The yearbook photo.The next day, Macha emailed me.
Where you going
What you looking for?
Indeed.
How do you pronounce your first name?
“Ma-sha,” like a New Yorker saying “Marsha.” :-)
How old were you when you appeared in the “Sister Christian” video?
19.
Where were you living at the time?
When I was cast for and during the shooting, I lived in San Francisco, not far from the Mint.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I had done one PSA for car seat safety for babies. (I always seemed to get auditions for young mothers or airline stewardesses.)
first photo shoot
first photo shootHow were you cast in “Sister Christian”?
One of my agents—I think I had five at the time—called me with the one and only audition he ever got for me, if I recall correctly. He said it was for some sort of musical, which made me most nervous as I thought it would possibly require singing or dancing. Neither is in my skill set.
The audition itself was in a hotel room with the director’s wife, Mary Rezeka (sp?) [NOTE: Mary Guida directed the “Sister Christian” video, and she and fellow former video director Mark Rezyka know each other]. She looked at me, asked me a few questions, and that was pretty much it.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
No, [but] knowing me I’d assume I was anxious and very excited. But mostly anxious.
Had you already heard of Night Ranger?
No. But I’ve never been someone who pays attention to what’s “in” at any given time, so that doesn’t mean much.
Where was the video filmed?
In a high school not far north of San Francisco. [San Rafael High School]
How long was the shoot?
I’m not sure, but I think it was a two-day shoot.
How did you feel making the video?
Great. It was fun. It was odd being the “star” character, but it was a pretty small, low-key production, so it wasn’t too much.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Nothing, really. It went well as far as I could tell, and my part was pretty easy. The hardest part of any shoot is always the “hurry up and wait” thing.
How was it to work with Night Ranger? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
Now how did such an indelicate question get in here? I’m quite sure it must have been a mistake, so I’ll just pretend it wasn’t asked. The band were, of course, all complete gentlemen. ;-)
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Um…no, not really. Not that I can remember. There’s a brief shot of nuns at the top of the staircase, waving as the girls go down the stairs—they were on roller skates. That doesn’t qualify as funny, but I’m afraid it’s the best I can do at the moment. If I do remember any I’ll of course send it on…
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Not that I can remember. From my 19-year-old perspective, it ran like a well-oiled machine.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was “tame” at the time. Now I look back and think that for the most part, it was in pretty good taste compared to some of the other stuff being made at the time. It’s stood the test of time better.
What did your parents think of it?
That’s a good question. I don’t really know. They didn’t say much.
What did your friends think of it?
They loved it. And they loved having a friend who was in it.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
You’re going to hate me—I don’t remember. Probably not. Maybe I did.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I don’t think so. I didn’t/don’t date a lot. I usually didn’t tell people right off the bat, only after I got to know them. Now I hardly tell anyone. :-)
How did it come to pass that you were also in “When You Close Your Eyes”?
I don’t remember. I think it was all arranged over the phone; they were hoping to recreate the success of “Sister Christian.”
What was that shoot like? Any stories about the chimp (or anything else that happened on set)?
The chimp’s trainer was down in the foot space (don’t know what that’s called) and had an immense chain attached to the chimp. That added a rather disturbing element to the scene. I really liked the chimp. But then I like animals better than people.
There was a scene where I had to throw a flower in the band member’s face (my character’s boyfriend) and I just couldn’t seem to do it. I don’t throw things in people’s faces and couldn’t seem to get beyond it.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
No. I never got mail, even before I changed my name.
Why did you change your name?
It was due to personal family issues that are best left alone.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
No.
What were you paid?
$250. :-)
Were you ever recognized in public?
Yes, I used to get recognized. All. The. Time. People used to ask for my autograph, which I found funny as they had no idea what my name [was]. It always seemed I was more likely to be recognized when I was running down to the corner store for some half and half first thing in the morning, no makeup on, in sweats, hair not brushed…
I don’t know if you remember, but at the height of its popularity, that video was shown every single hour. I’d turn on MTV and see myself on TV at pretty much any given time. That’s a very strange thing. Feeling blue? Turn on the TV and see yourself! Instant mood-lifter!
another from the first photo shoot
after she started at Cal State L.A., by which time she had changed her nameDid you appear in other music videos after that?
The next one—“When You Close Your Eyes”—but nobody seems to remember that one.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
No, I don’t think so.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
Yes. I went to Cal State LA first, then transferred to Art Center College of Design and graduated with honors with a BFA in fine arts/painting.
What are you doing these days?
Mostly I “mom.” I have an image consultancy, but I’m not putting a lot of energy into it at the moment. The economy isn’t really in the proper condition to support such a “luxury” service, so I’m not pushing very hard. And momming is pretty time consuming anyway.
Where do you live?
Los Angeles.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was married. He remembered it and thought it was pretty “neat.” Most people my age remember it.
How many kids do you have?
One son, nine years old.
What does he think of the video?
He doesn’t really get how big MTV was at the time or how popular this video was. He makes animated films (at his school, he’s won the PTA art contest in the “film production” category two years running) and I’m sure some day he’ll appreciate it. He’s just a little young.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
“How the hell did you find me?” :-)
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
No. No one has found me before.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No, I haven’t. I’d definitely be interested in hearing about doing this.
Did you stay in touch with anyone from Night Ranger?
No. I’m not exactly an extrovert, and not particularly social—in case you couldn’t tell.
When was the last time you were in touch?
During the shooting of the video.
How do you look back on the experience?
I’m very glad it happened and that I had the experience. It’s something I’ll always “have.” Like I said before, I feel this has stood the test of time and has aged well. I’m proud of it.
Anything you’d like to add?
When I think of anything, I’ll send it along. (I’ll undoubtedly think of lots of things to add as soon as I hit the send button.)
Tweet about this interview to @nightranger @MBennetShephard!
Next: Rod Stewart, “Infatuation” (1984).
July 13, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Looks That Kill” (1983)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Looks That Kill” by Mötley Crüe.
The girl-now-woman: Wendy Barry.
Where were you living when you appeared in the “Looks That Kill” video?
Los Angeles.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
“Looks That Kill” was my first music video.
How were you cast?
I was the last girl to audition that day. My agent called me late that day and told me to run over to the audition! I felt when I left there I was going to get it. And I did!
Were you a Mötley Crüe fan?
I liked the band but I was not a groupie.
Where was the video filmed?
The video was filmed on the lot of A&M Records on the main sound stage.
How long was the shoot?
I believe it was an 18-hour shoot.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
When we were shooting the part where I hold up the shield, we had to shoot a number of times because of the fire special effects. I was a little scared.
How was it to work with Mötley Crüe? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
I loved making the video—it was a lot of fun and the guys were all very nice. Really down-to-earth and fun.
What did you think of the video? What did your parents think of it? What did your friends think of it?
I loved the video, my parents loved the video, and my friends loved the video! Who wouldn’t?
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
I remember the day it aired I did see it and it was very exciting!
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No, it never affected my dating and I had a boyfriend at the time I shot it.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
No, I never received fan mail, at least not that I ever knew about.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
As I recall, the look of the video generated a stir. The women encaged, the spikes, a kind of S&M look. I personally thought it was just a well-executed video as far as production, and the song was killer.
What were you paid?
I think $100!
Were you ever recognized in public?
No, I was never noticed in public as the “Looks That Kill” girl as I didn’t walk around looking like that!
Polaroid of Wendy and Tommy Lee taken on set that day.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
I did appear in a few more videos. One was “Back for More” by Ratt.
What are you doing these days?
I am a singer-songwriter and also I am now directing and producing my own videos.
Where can people buy your music?
Some of my music is presently available on iTunes with one of the producers that I work with, Captain Badazz. And this is my You Tube channel.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I was very pleased to hear from you and do this interview. “Looks That Kill” will always be very special to me!
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
I was interviewed a while back for an MTV show called Video Vixens [possibly one of the two “Video Vixens” episodes of a VH1 show called Where Are They Now? ] and that was fun to be a part of.
Did you stay in touch with anyone in the band after the shoot? Have you ever run into any of them out and about?
No. However, I did see Nikki and Tommy when I filmed “Back for More.” They made a cameo and it was fun working with them again.
How do you look back on the experience?
I have only fond memories of that acting job as it was a very exciting time for music videos and breaking new ground.
Anything you’d like to add?
It was very nice nice to be interviewed by you.
Tweet about this interview to @MotleyCrue @NikkiSixx @MrTommyLand @TheVinceNeil @mrmickmars @CaptainBadazz!
Next: Night Ranger, “Sister Christian” (1984).
The video: “Looks That Kill” by Mötley Crüe.
The girl-now-woman: Wendy Barry.
Where were you living when you appeared in the “Looks That Kill” video?
Los Angeles.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
“Looks That Kill” was my first music video.
How were you cast?
I was the last girl to audition that day. My agent called me late that day and told me to run over to the audition! I felt when I left there I was going to get it. And I did!
Were you a Mötley Crüe fan?
I liked the band but I was not a groupie.
Where was the video filmed?
The video was filmed on the lot of A&M Records on the main sound stage.
How long was the shoot?
I believe it was an 18-hour shoot.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
When we were shooting the part where I hold up the shield, we had to shoot a number of times because of the fire special effects. I was a little scared.
How was it to work with Mötley Crüe? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
I loved making the video—it was a lot of fun and the guys were all very nice. Really down-to-earth and fun.
What did you think of the video? What did your parents think of it? What did your friends think of it?
I loved the video, my parents loved the video, and my friends loved the video! Who wouldn’t?
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
I remember the day it aired I did see it and it was very exciting!
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No, it never affected my dating and I had a boyfriend at the time I shot it.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
No, I never received fan mail, at least not that I ever knew about.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
As I recall, the look of the video generated a stir. The women encaged, the spikes, a kind of S&M look. I personally thought it was just a well-executed video as far as production, and the song was killer.
What were you paid?
I think $100!
Were you ever recognized in public?
No, I was never noticed in public as the “Looks That Kill” girl as I didn’t walk around looking like that!
Polaroid of Wendy and Tommy Lee taken on set that day. Did you appear in other music videos after that?
I did appear in a few more videos. One was “Back for More” by Ratt.
What are you doing these days?
I am a singer-songwriter and also I am now directing and producing my own videos.
Where can people buy your music?
Some of my music is presently available on iTunes with one of the producers that I work with, Captain Badazz. And this is my You Tube channel.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I was very pleased to hear from you and do this interview. “Looks That Kill” will always be very special to me!
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
I was interviewed a while back for an MTV show called Video Vixens [possibly one of the two “Video Vixens” episodes of a VH1 show called Where Are They Now? ] and that was fun to be a part of.
Did you stay in touch with anyone in the band after the shoot? Have you ever run into any of them out and about?
No. However, I did see Nikki and Tommy when I filmed “Back for More.” They made a cameo and it was fun working with them again.
How do you look back on the experience?
I have only fond memories of that acting job as it was a very exciting time for music videos and breaking new ground.
Anything you’d like to add?
It was very nice nice to be interviewed by you.
Tweet about this interview to @MotleyCrue @NikkiSixx @MrTommyLand @TheVinceNeil @mrmickmars @CaptainBadazz!
Next: Night Ranger, “Sister Christian” (1984).
July 12, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Billie Jean” and “Cuts Like a Knife” (1983)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The videos: “Billie Jean” and “Cuts Like a Knife” (1983).
The girl-now-woman: Raquel Pena.
You appeared in the videos for two songs released in January 1983: “Billie Jean” and “Cuts Like a Knife.” Did 1983 feel like a magical year for you?
Yes…it was lucky!
[More on “Billie Jean” below.]
How old were you when you appeared in the “Cuts Like a Knife” video?
21.
Where were you living at the time?
Los Angeles.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
It was my first music video, but before that, I had appeared in a few national commercials for Pepsi and Budweiser. I was signed with Mary Webb Davis for print and Cunningham for commercial and theatrical.
How were you cast?
I was sent by Cunningham. There were women from several agencies at the audition and we were asked to wear swimsuits under our clothing (so we could easily undress and they could get a good look at us)…
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Surprised! There were so many (beautiful) girls who tried out for the part.
Where was the video filmed?
At the old Hollywood Athletic Club, which later became the Berwin Entertainment Complex. At the time the video was filmed there, part of the building was being used for office space but most of it was vacant and felt as if it had been abandoned. Most of the scenes took place in the health club’s empty pool and changing rooms. The building has a really great history…the Jackson family supposedly owns it now. [MTN: Another connection!]
How long was the shoot?
All day and night. We started at 9 a.m. and wrapped at 2 a.m.
How did you feel making the video?
Super excited to be part of it…really talented director and producer team, and, of course, Bryan and his band were amazing. I had no idea what the concept/storyline of the video was until I arrived on the set, but it didn’t take me long to realize that I was cast in a very avant-garde piece of music video history. I hadn’t heard the song until that day, but it (and the entire album) soon became one of my favorites. :)
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Not a thing was hard about it. It was one of my favorite film jobs. Even the dreaded waiting time between takes was okay since I got to watch Bryan and the band being filmed in all the other scenes and hear the song blaring repeatedly over the speakers! I never got tired of hearing it.
How was it to work with Bryan Adams? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
He was “down to earth” and friendly to everyone. It was a long day for all with repeated performances throughout the day and night and he maintained his sweet disposition the entire shoot. And no, he didn’t hit on me. He was a perfect gentleman as were all the guys in the band and film crew.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
I didn’t know I’d be changing out of my bathing suit with the director filming me the entire time. He was right there with me in that little changing room from start to finish. I was a little self-conscious, not only because I had never done anything of the sort but also because I may have had a little crush on him.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
During the last scene, I had to dunk myself in a big tub of water inside the empty pool’s edge and climb out drenched. The water was so cold and I must have gasped and opened my mouth underwater; as I came out, I had to hold back from coughing since the camera was rolling. I don’t think the director knew it, but there was only one take possible for that scene since makeup was pretty much finished after that dunk, so I had to hold that tickle in my throat for what seemed like an eternity!
What did you think of the video?
I loved it because I thought it was one of the more arty videos on MTV. Before its launch, everyone had only seen music performed on stage, but the “concept” video had people riveted! I mean, here were videos cast with the most attractive people, the latest fashions, dance moves, lots of big hair, exposed skin, close-ups of the music heartthrobs, and the lyrics acted out in real time…who didn’t love that! I remember hearing a song on the radio that I liked and then turning on MTV every chance I could, just to wait for the [video] to be played.
What did your parents think of it?
They didn’t have cable in the early days so never saw it [then]. Eventually someone showed it to my mother and I don’t think she knew what to say…but I do remember something about the amount of eye make-up I was wearing!
What did your friends think of it?
They all made me feel like a star.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I met a record executive from Bryan’s label (A&M Records) at the video launch party and started dating him soon after, which lasted six years, so I was off the market pretty much from the beginning.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I did get some fan mail at the agency. No, I don’t have any of it.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
Not that I know of. I was literally undressing on camera, but the director, Steve Barron, knew how to shoot it and made it sexy…but not over the top…so it passed the censorship test.
What were you paid?
Rather not say.
Did you stay in touch with Bryan Adams after the shoot?
Not directly, but did get to see him several times after with my boyfriend, who was with Bryan’s label, A&M Records.
How did the “Billie Jean” shoot compare to “Cuts Like a Knife”? Was one more fun than the other?
Each had a completely different vibe. “Cuts Like a Knife” had an “indie” style and feel to it. “Billie Jean” was a major production, like being on a movie set. It was epic! And, of course, there was Michael! Singing and dancing and styling it up! It was surreal…music video history in the making. (FYI…both were directed by Steve Barron, which says a lot about his directorial talent.)
I can’t say one was more fun than the other, but from a performance perspective I had a bigger part in “Cuts Like a Knife,” which is always fun. But I have to say, just being on the “Billie Jean” set for a day, and playing even the small part that I did, was amazing.
How was it to work with Michael Jackson? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
He was fantastic! I have worked with a lot of celebrities, and he was hands down, without hesitation, the sweetest, kindest person I had ever met and worked with.
He had such a playful, kidlike spirit. There were several sets designed for the different vignettes and I remember Michael would do funny things…like he’d sort of disappear into the maze and then pop out of nowhere and “boo” whoever was walking by (he got me more than once). He was working and serious one minute and then goofing around and just having fun with everyone the next.
His brothers (all of them!) showed up on the set for a while, as did Quincy [Jones], and Michael went out of his way to introduce them to me. So nice. I had just met him that day, and he made me feel like we were good friends.
Did he hit on me? No…though he was flirtatious in a charming sort of way!
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Last scene of the video, I had to lie down in the bed (it was actually a wooden board with a sheet over it). They wanted to give the illusion that the body in the bed was Billie Jean. I remember looking up and Michael was staring down at me, and I was like, “OMG, Michael Jackson is jumping in under the sheet with me!”
Anything else you want to mention about working on “Billie Jean”?
Yes. At one point during the day, Michael pulled me aside and said, “You know you’re Billie Jean, right”—more as a statement than a question. He was trying to be serious, but he had that MJ grin…he was playing with me again. I found out later that he and his brothers used to call the zillions of groupies that were always after them a “billie jean” after an incident with one crazy groupie in particular who was really named Billie Jean.
I mentioned it to my boyfriend and some time later he found this explanation on the web:
Jackson himself has said the following about the “Billie Jean” video:
After reading this, I think he wanted someone to portray either a “billie jean” or “Billie Jean” in the video. Okay by me!
Were you ever recognized in public?
I would often have people come up to me in public and say “Don’t I know you?” but they couldn’t figure out from where. When I went to Europe to model about a year later, I was recognized a lot and they knew exactly where they had seen me. Bryan had a lot of fans everywhere.
Did you appear in other music videos after these?
Yes. [I did] some not-so-big hits for The Time and Rockwell and in 2005 was in a Richard Marx video.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
No.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I attended San Diego State University and studied communications and later Art Institute of Pittsburg for interior design.
What are you doing these days?
I’m a realtor with Sotheby’s International Realty.
Where do you live?
Southern California.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was married to an NBA player. He actually said he was “in love” with the “Cuts Like a Knife” girl before he knew me…don’t know if I really believe it. :)
Kids?
I have two teenagers: 15-year-old girl and 19-year-old boy.
What do they think of the video?
They think it’s really great…and especially cool that I’m in “Billie Jean”!
What did you think when you first heard from me?
Happy you reached out to me.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this? If so, who, when, and for what publication?
Yes, Rob Tannenbaum for his book I Want My MTV.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No…yes.
How do you look back on these experiences?
It was lucky. The channel was so novel and had virtually everyone’s attention, so it sort of memorialized the faces of those video girls, especially those first few years. Now they call them “MTV Classics,” which dates us all…but still cool to have been part of it.
Tweet about this interview to @michaeljackson @bryanadams!
Next: Mötley Crüe, “Looks That Kill” (1983).
The videos: “Billie Jean” and “Cuts Like a Knife” (1983).
The girl-now-woman: Raquel Pena.
You appeared in the videos for two songs released in January 1983: “Billie Jean” and “Cuts Like a Knife.” Did 1983 feel like a magical year for you?
Yes…it was lucky!
[More on “Billie Jean” below.]
How old were you when you appeared in the “Cuts Like a Knife” video?
21.
Where were you living at the time?
Los Angeles.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
It was my first music video, but before that, I had appeared in a few national commercials for Pepsi and Budweiser. I was signed with Mary Webb Davis for print and Cunningham for commercial and theatrical.
How were you cast?
I was sent by Cunningham. There were women from several agencies at the audition and we were asked to wear swimsuits under our clothing (so we could easily undress and they could get a good look at us)…
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Surprised! There were so many (beautiful) girls who tried out for the part.
Where was the video filmed?
At the old Hollywood Athletic Club, which later became the Berwin Entertainment Complex. At the time the video was filmed there, part of the building was being used for office space but most of it was vacant and felt as if it had been abandoned. Most of the scenes took place in the health club’s empty pool and changing rooms. The building has a really great history…the Jackson family supposedly owns it now. [MTN: Another connection!]
How long was the shoot?
All day and night. We started at 9 a.m. and wrapped at 2 a.m.
How did you feel making the video?
Super excited to be part of it…really talented director and producer team, and, of course, Bryan and his band were amazing. I had no idea what the concept/storyline of the video was until I arrived on the set, but it didn’t take me long to realize that I was cast in a very avant-garde piece of music video history. I hadn’t heard the song until that day, but it (and the entire album) soon became one of my favorites. :)
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Not a thing was hard about it. It was one of my favorite film jobs. Even the dreaded waiting time between takes was okay since I got to watch Bryan and the band being filmed in all the other scenes and hear the song blaring repeatedly over the speakers! I never got tired of hearing it.
How was it to work with Bryan Adams? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
He was “down to earth” and friendly to everyone. It was a long day for all with repeated performances throughout the day and night and he maintained his sweet disposition the entire shoot. And no, he didn’t hit on me. He was a perfect gentleman as were all the guys in the band and film crew.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
I didn’t know I’d be changing out of my bathing suit with the director filming me the entire time. He was right there with me in that little changing room from start to finish. I was a little self-conscious, not only because I had never done anything of the sort but also because I may have had a little crush on him.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
During the last scene, I had to dunk myself in a big tub of water inside the empty pool’s edge and climb out drenched. The water was so cold and I must have gasped and opened my mouth underwater; as I came out, I had to hold back from coughing since the camera was rolling. I don’t think the director knew it, but there was only one take possible for that scene since makeup was pretty much finished after that dunk, so I had to hold that tickle in my throat for what seemed like an eternity!
What did you think of the video?
I loved it because I thought it was one of the more arty videos on MTV. Before its launch, everyone had only seen music performed on stage, but the “concept” video had people riveted! I mean, here were videos cast with the most attractive people, the latest fashions, dance moves, lots of big hair, exposed skin, close-ups of the music heartthrobs, and the lyrics acted out in real time…who didn’t love that! I remember hearing a song on the radio that I liked and then turning on MTV every chance I could, just to wait for the [video] to be played.
What did your parents think of it?
They didn’t have cable in the early days so never saw it [then]. Eventually someone showed it to my mother and I don’t think she knew what to say…but I do remember something about the amount of eye make-up I was wearing!
What did your friends think of it?
They all made me feel like a star.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
I met a record executive from Bryan’s label (A&M Records) at the video launch party and started dating him soon after, which lasted six years, so I was off the market pretty much from the beginning.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I did get some fan mail at the agency. No, I don’t have any of it.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
Not that I know of. I was literally undressing on camera, but the director, Steve Barron, knew how to shoot it and made it sexy…but not over the top…so it passed the censorship test.
What were you paid?
Rather not say.
Did you stay in touch with Bryan Adams after the shoot?
Not directly, but did get to see him several times after with my boyfriend, who was with Bryan’s label, A&M Records.
How did the “Billie Jean” shoot compare to “Cuts Like a Knife”? Was one more fun than the other?
Each had a completely different vibe. “Cuts Like a Knife” had an “indie” style and feel to it. “Billie Jean” was a major production, like being on a movie set. It was epic! And, of course, there was Michael! Singing and dancing and styling it up! It was surreal…music video history in the making. (FYI…both were directed by Steve Barron, which says a lot about his directorial talent.)
I can’t say one was more fun than the other, but from a performance perspective I had a bigger part in “Cuts Like a Knife,” which is always fun. But I have to say, just being on the “Billie Jean” set for a day, and playing even the small part that I did, was amazing.
How was it to work with Michael Jackson? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
He was fantastic! I have worked with a lot of celebrities, and he was hands down, without hesitation, the sweetest, kindest person I had ever met and worked with.
He had such a playful, kidlike spirit. There were several sets designed for the different vignettes and I remember Michael would do funny things…like he’d sort of disappear into the maze and then pop out of nowhere and “boo” whoever was walking by (he got me more than once). He was working and serious one minute and then goofing around and just having fun with everyone the next.
His brothers (all of them!) showed up on the set for a while, as did Quincy [Jones], and Michael went out of his way to introduce them to me. So nice. I had just met him that day, and he made me feel like we were good friends.
Did he hit on me? No…though he was flirtatious in a charming sort of way!
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Last scene of the video, I had to lie down in the bed (it was actually a wooden board with a sheet over it). They wanted to give the illusion that the body in the bed was Billie Jean. I remember looking up and Michael was staring down at me, and I was like, “OMG, Michael Jackson is jumping in under the sheet with me!”
Anything else you want to mention about working on “Billie Jean”?
Yes. At one point during the day, Michael pulled me aside and said, “You know you’re Billie Jean, right”—more as a statement than a question. He was trying to be serious, but he had that MJ grin…he was playing with me again. I found out later that he and his brothers used to call the zillions of groupies that were always after them a “billie jean” after an incident with one crazy groupie in particular who was really named Billie Jean.
I mentioned it to my boyfriend and some time later he found this explanation on the web:
Jackson himself has said the following about the “Billie Jean” video:
It’s kind of surreal and it’s different. I didn’t come up with that concept. It was, I think, a British fellow, Steve Barron, and I thought he had wonderful ideas but I let him go with it. The only part I wrote in the piece was, I said “I want a section. Give me a section here I could dance on.” ‘Cause he said no dancing in the whole piece, so the whole section where you see this long street and this billboard of these two girls, one of them Billie Jean and I’m dancing, that’s the only part I contributed.”
After reading this, I think he wanted someone to portray either a “billie jean” or “Billie Jean” in the video. Okay by me!
Were you ever recognized in public?
I would often have people come up to me in public and say “Don’t I know you?” but they couldn’t figure out from where. When I went to Europe to model about a year later, I was recognized a lot and they knew exactly where they had seen me. Bryan had a lot of fans everywhere.
Did you appear in other music videos after these?
Yes. [I did] some not-so-big hits for The Time and Rockwell and in 2005 was in a Richard Marx video.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
No.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I attended San Diego State University and studied communications and later Art Institute of Pittsburg for interior design.
What are you doing these days?
I’m a realtor with Sotheby’s International Realty.
Where do you live?
Southern California.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I was married to an NBA player. He actually said he was “in love” with the “Cuts Like a Knife” girl before he knew me…don’t know if I really believe it. :)
Kids?
I have two teenagers: 15-year-old girl and 19-year-old boy.
What do they think of the video?
They think it’s really great…and especially cool that I’m in “Billie Jean”!
What did you think when you first heard from me?
Happy you reached out to me.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this? If so, who, when, and for what publication?
Yes, Rob Tannenbaum for his book I Want My MTV.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
No…yes.
How do you look back on these experiences?
It was lucky. The channel was so novel and had virtually everyone’s attention, so it sort of memorialized the faces of those video girls, especially those first few years. Now they call them “MTV Classics,” which dates us all…but still cool to have been part of it.
Tweet about this interview to @michaeljackson @bryanadams!
Next: Mötley Crüe, “Looks That Kill” (1983).
July 11, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Change” (1982)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Change” by John Waite.
The girl-now-woman: Tina Gullickson.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Change” video?
Ah…that perfect age where you can’t tell for sure, and it remains a mystery.
Where were you living at the time?
In the Los Angeles area.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
Mostly modeling. A few commercials, a few game shows.
early 1980s
How were you cast in “Change”?
I auditioned by meeting the director and discussing the character.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Yes, surprised and happy to hear so quickly.
Were you a John Waite fan?
I only knew a few Babys songs. Hadn’t heard him solo since “Change” was [the first single] from his first solo album.
Where was the video filmed?
On a sound stage in Hollywood. Sets were built inside to look like exteriors.
How long was the shoot?
The shoot took two full days. Very early starts and late wraps…typical hours for music videos.
How did you feel making the video?
It was surreal. My character was distraught, so I was thinking about that, and what she might be like.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Keeping the tears rolling and jumping off the building ledge. For the fall, we had two takes with no rehearsal.
How was it to work with John? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
John was very professional. I don’t remember having much dialogue during the shoot hours. No, he didn’t hit on me. We, the whole cast and crew, had a little time at the end of it all to hang out a bit. Very cool.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Can’t remember any funny stories, but people do like to ask about the lines of powder on the mirror…I think it may have been cornstarch.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Nothing went wrong that I was aware of. I think it went smoothly. Maybe I just couldn’t tell through all the fog and tears.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was unique to the genre at that time. Shot to look like a movie with a story, rather than musicians playing—it was different and I liked that.
What did your parents think of it?
I’m sure they were pleased, happy I was getting work.
What did your friends think of it?
Hopefully everybody thought it was pretty cool.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Wish I had! No, didn’t get to see it till probably a year later when I was given a copy. Couldn’t get MTV where I lived.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
Not back then. I do now, and that’s sometimes pretty funny.
What were you paid?
I was paid a daily rate, good for the times.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was recognized often, but for the first year, I didn’t know it was on such heavy rotation, so it was unexpected.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Sure. I was playing in bands. We all loved making videos.
later in the 1980s
What are some of the other ‘80s videos you appeared in?
The other music videos from the ‘80s that I was in were promos for unsigned bands. As far as I know, none were played on MTV.
I did a national Kodak commercial, cast as the lead singer in a band that was meant to premiere on Oscars night (mid-’80s). That would have been something, but the product had a flaw and the commercial never aired. Oh well.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Sometimes on other auditions. Can’t remember anyone specifically.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I studied video production; thought I might want to host a music show.
What are you doing these days?
I’ve been working as a member of Jimmy Buffett’s Coral Reefer Band. I sing and dance, play guitar. Just finishing a CD of my own music with bandmates.
Where can people buy your CD/songs?
I’m hoping to finish a few more tracks for my album [in 2014]. For now I have a five-tune teaser CD (released at the end of 2013) but not yet set up to sell online. Soon, I hope.
Where do you live?
Still a Cali girl.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
Any work that had success was great!
Willing to be more specific about whether or not you’re married and/or have kids?
Got married ages ago, decided to not have children, but have spent many years rescuing animals, so I have had a lot of furry adoptions.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I’m always pleasantly surprised when anyone takes the time to contact me to talk about the video or current projects.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
I’ve done interviews, but none as in-depth about “Change” as this one. ; )
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
I would if they fit in our touring schedule.
Did you stay in touch with John?
No. I have run into him on occasion, usually because of a performance, maybe a meet-n-greet.
How do you look back on the experience?
It is a piece of pop culture history that I’m proud to have been a part of.
Tweet about this interview to @John_Waite!
Next: Michael Jackson, “Billie Jean”; Bryan Adams, “Cuts Like a Knife” (1983).
The video: “Change” by John Waite.
The girl-now-woman: Tina Gullickson.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Change” video?
Ah…that perfect age where you can’t tell for sure, and it remains a mystery.
Where were you living at the time?
In the Los Angeles area.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
Mostly modeling. A few commercials, a few game shows.
early 1980sHow were you cast in “Change”?
I auditioned by meeting the director and discussing the character.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Yes, surprised and happy to hear so quickly.
Were you a John Waite fan?
I only knew a few Babys songs. Hadn’t heard him solo since “Change” was [the first single] from his first solo album.
Where was the video filmed?
On a sound stage in Hollywood. Sets were built inside to look like exteriors.
How long was the shoot?
The shoot took two full days. Very early starts and late wraps…typical hours for music videos.
How did you feel making the video?
It was surreal. My character was distraught, so I was thinking about that, and what she might be like.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Keeping the tears rolling and jumping off the building ledge. For the fall, we had two takes with no rehearsal.
How was it to work with John? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
John was very professional. I don’t remember having much dialogue during the shoot hours. No, he didn’t hit on me. We, the whole cast and crew, had a little time at the end of it all to hang out a bit. Very cool.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
Can’t remember any funny stories, but people do like to ask about the lines of powder on the mirror…I think it may have been cornstarch.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Nothing went wrong that I was aware of. I think it went smoothly. Maybe I just couldn’t tell through all the fog and tears.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was unique to the genre at that time. Shot to look like a movie with a story, rather than musicians playing—it was different and I liked that.
What did your parents think of it?
I’m sure they were pleased, happy I was getting work.
What did your friends think of it?
Hopefully everybody thought it was pretty cool.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Wish I had! No, didn’t get to see it till probably a year later when I was given a copy. Couldn’t get MTV where I lived.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
Not back then. I do now, and that’s sometimes pretty funny.
What were you paid?
I was paid a daily rate, good for the times.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was recognized often, but for the first year, I didn’t know it was on such heavy rotation, so it was unexpected.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Sure. I was playing in bands. We all loved making videos.
later in the 1980sWhat are some of the other ‘80s videos you appeared in?
The other music videos from the ‘80s that I was in were promos for unsigned bands. As far as I know, none were played on MTV.
I did a national Kodak commercial, cast as the lead singer in a band that was meant to premiere on Oscars night (mid-’80s). That would have been something, but the product had a flaw and the commercial never aired. Oh well.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Sometimes on other auditions. Can’t remember anyone specifically.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I studied video production; thought I might want to host a music show.
What are you doing these days?
I’ve been working as a member of Jimmy Buffett’s Coral Reefer Band. I sing and dance, play guitar. Just finishing a CD of my own music with bandmates.
Where can people buy your CD/songs?
I’m hoping to finish a few more tracks for my album [in 2014]. For now I have a five-tune teaser CD (released at the end of 2013) but not yet set up to sell online. Soon, I hope.
Where do you live?
Still a Cali girl.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
Any work that had success was great!
Willing to be more specific about whether or not you’re married and/or have kids?
Got married ages ago, decided to not have children, but have spent many years rescuing animals, so I have had a lot of furry adoptions.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I’m always pleasantly surprised when anyone takes the time to contact me to talk about the video or current projects.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
I’ve done interviews, but none as in-depth about “Change” as this one. ; )
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
I would if they fit in our touring schedule.
Did you stay in touch with John?
No. I have run into him on occasion, usually because of a performance, maybe a meet-n-greet.
How do you look back on the experience?
It is a piece of pop culture history that I’m proud to have been a part of.
Tweet about this interview to @John_Waite!
Next: Michael Jackson, “Billie Jean”; Bryan Adams, “Cuts Like a Knife” (1983).
July 10, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Goody Two Shoes” (1982)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Goody Two Shoes” by Adam Ant.
The girl-now-woman: Caroline Munro.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Goody Two Shoes” video?
In my thirties.
Where were you living at the time?
London.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
Meat Loaf’s “If You Really Want To.” Lots of movies including James Bond [The Spy Who Loved Me], sci-fi, and Hammer Horror films. Sang with Gary Numan [on] “Pump Me Up” [1984].
How were you cast in “Goody Two Shoes”?
Adam knew my work and chose me on that basis.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Delighted as I was a big Adam fan!
Where was the video filmed?
In an old sanatorium in Virginia Water in England.
How long was the shoot?
Two days, I think.
How did you feel making the video?
I had a brilliant time. Adam was very visionary; he did all the storyboards.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
It was hard work but fun.
How was it to work with Adam Ant? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
He was a perfect charming gentleman and very beautiful. I was engaged at the time but we did have a chemistry.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
He gave me jelly crocodile sweets.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Not as far as I could see.
What did you think of the video?
It was superb. Great song, great video!
What did your parents think of it?
They enjoyed it.
What did your friends think of it?
I had lots of positive feedback.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Yes I did and it was great.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I get a lot of fan mail; some mention the video.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
No.
Were you ever recognized in public?
Yes, but as I am in films, I am used to this.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Meat Loaf may have been after. [It was: 1983.]
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Diana Dors.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
University of Brighton. Art.
What are you doing these days?
Acting.
Where do you live?
London.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
Embraced it!
Kids?
Two daughters, 19 and 23.
What do they think of the video?
They love it. We have all been to see Adam in concert recently.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I am used to being approached about my work.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this? If so, when and for what publication?
Yes. Too numerous to mention.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
Yes, I often attend.
Did you stay in touch with Adam Ant?
Have met him on a few occasions.
When was the last time you were in touch?
About two years ago at his concert in London.
How do you look back on the experience?
Fondly.
Tweet about this interview to @adamaofficial!
Next: John Waite, “Change” (1982).
The video: “Goody Two Shoes” by Adam Ant.
The girl-now-woman: Caroline Munro.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Goody Two Shoes” video?
In my thirties.
Where were you living at the time?
London.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
Meat Loaf’s “If You Really Want To.” Lots of movies including James Bond [The Spy Who Loved Me], sci-fi, and Hammer Horror films. Sang with Gary Numan [on] “Pump Me Up” [1984].
How were you cast in “Goody Two Shoes”?
Adam knew my work and chose me on that basis.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
Delighted as I was a big Adam fan!
Where was the video filmed?
In an old sanatorium in Virginia Water in England.
How long was the shoot?
Two days, I think.
How did you feel making the video?
I had a brilliant time. Adam was very visionary; he did all the storyboards.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
It was hard work but fun.
How was it to work with Adam Ant? What was he like? Did he hit on you?
He was a perfect charming gentleman and very beautiful. I was engaged at the time but we did have a chemistry.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
He gave me jelly crocodile sweets.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Not as far as I could see.
What did you think of the video?
It was superb. Great song, great video!
What did your parents think of it?
They enjoyed it.
What did your friends think of it?
I had lots of positive feedback.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Yes I did and it was great.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I get a lot of fan mail; some mention the video.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
No.
Were you ever recognized in public?
Yes, but as I am in films, I am used to this.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Meat Loaf may have been after. [It was: 1983.]
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Diana Dors.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
University of Brighton. Art.
What are you doing these days?
Acting.
Where do you live?
London.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
Embraced it!
Kids?
Two daughters, 19 and 23.
What do they think of the video?
They love it. We have all been to see Adam in concert recently.
What did you think when you first heard from me?
I am used to being approached about my work.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this? If so, when and for what publication?
Yes. Too numerous to mention.
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
Yes, I often attend.
Did you stay in touch with Adam Ant?
Have met him on a few occasions.
When was the last time you were in touch?
About two years ago at his concert in London.
How do you look back on the experience?
Fondly.
Tweet about this interview to @adamaofficial!
Next: John Waite, “Change” (1982).
July 9, 2014
The Girl in the Video: “Caught Up in You” (1982)
Introduction to series “The Girl in the Video 2” (including list of interviewees).
The video: “Caught Up in You” by 38 Special.
The girl-now-woman: Shari Shattuck.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Caught Up in You” video?
Uh, well, I’m 53 now, so it must have been 18? Somebody else do the math. [MTN: 22.]
Where were you living at the time?
I was living in Atlanta. I was modeling there.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I hadn’t done any other music videos. I had done a few television commercials.I started my acting career shorty after this when I moved to New York and began to study acting. We filmed two videos, actually. I don’t remember the second song, but the video picks up where the first one left off. I actually liked that video better—it was a bit more moody and cinematic. [MTN: It was “You Keep Runnin’ Away”]:
I also did one other music video, for the lead singer of Atlanta Rhythm Section—Ronnie, I think? But that was after, on a return trip from New York.
How were you cast in “Caught Up in You”?
I think I went on an interview, but I held the dubious title of top model in Atlanta at the time, so I believe I was requested for this.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
It sounded like fun, but not a lot of money. I remember thinking the pay was nothing compared to my modeling rate.
What were you paid?
Not enough! But the experience on set was valuable, and it was fun to do something different.
Were you a 38 Special fan?
Not in particular. I did like their music, but I was always more of a jazz and blues kind of gal. I had been a competitive ice skater, and my parents were big supporters of the arts, so classical, opera, and alternative were my usual fare.
Where was the video filmed?
It was a big club in Atlanta, midtown I think. I don’t recall the name of it.
How long was the shoot?
Looooong. Two days for “Caught Up in You” and another day or so on the other, but the hours were absurd. That’s what you get for taking non-union work! LOL.
How did you feel making the video?
How did I feel? Mmmm, well, it was a job. Fun to be moving instead of posing. I felt like it was a step in the direction I wanted to go, toward acting.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Being “up” when we’d been waiting on the set for 14 hours or so. Of course, after twenty-something years of working on sets, I’ve gotten used to conserving energy until I need to call it up. Being 18 or so helped, of course. Energy to burn!
How was it to work with 38 Special? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
No, nobody hit on me. My then-boyfriend was with me most of the time, and honestly, we barely saw the [band]. They spent their time off in a “green room” and were very difficult to get to the set. It was a bit annoying, but I understood that they had been on tour and were exhausted. This was fun time for them, so there was a good bit of drinking and joking around. That was tough on the crew working such long hours.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
I do remember that I was supposed to make this amazing pool shot. They had a shark come in to do the actual shot, of course, but we gave it a shot with me. He set up the table and told me where to hit the cue ball. I am not a pool player. I whacked away and that white ball went flying off the table. It was a good laugh.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Not that I can remember. The toughest thing was getting the band to come in and shoot when they were ready…lots of grumbling about that.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was fun. Not the most profound pile of steaming art, as we say in the film industry, but fun to do and to watch.
What did your parents think of it?
My mom liked it. My dad’s always been fairly indifferent to my work. He likes that I work hard and am good at whatever I do, but what it is…he’s not that concerned with.
What did your friends think of it?
A lot of jealousy, as I recall. Modeling is very competitive and I kind of waltzed off with [the] “good job” when it showed up in town. I remember I had to deal with SAG wanting to come to the set and shut us down. But we got through it. I didn’t work on non-union shows after that video and one film. The film about killed me.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Nope, didn’t see it. They sent me a videotape.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No. I was always doing something or other that got me more attention than I understood. The Playboy cover, for example.
Then it was films and commercials, etc. I suppose there were people who were very into [the video], but interestingly enough, that wasn’t a big “a-ha” thing for me. I left for New York shortly after, so maybe I was just really busy starting a new life.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I still get the occasional email or comment on my website about it. But good Lord, it’s been over thirty years! I’m not a keeper of fan mail and the like. It’s nice to see, respond to, and then it’s relegated to the past.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
Absolutely not.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was recognized often, but I don’t remember it being for that in particular, though I’m sure it must have sometimes been. Atlanta is a big/small town, and there was seldom a weekend that I wasn’t in a full page ad for something or other in the Atlanta Journal. So it’s hard to remember one thing from another.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Just the ones mentioned above.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Oh my goodness, I’m blanking on her name right now, but Bruce Springsteen’s first wife—Julie Anne? Julie…Sue? (Mental void, arggh!) She and I started out modeling with Elite at the same time. Years later, when she was on Sisters, I played a recurring role for several episodes. I know she was in one of his, at least. What is her name? You’ll know. Nice lady. Julianne Phillips! That was it. And of course once I was in L.A., you couldn’t eat breakfast at Du-par’s without a video gal chucking some hash browns at you. Very competitive, as I said.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I did not go to college, but I’m very self-educated. I love science and literature. Of course—I’m a writer!
What are you doing these days?
I just finished my first film in quite a long time, Scream at the Devil. I also write. I have six published novels. My first, Loaded, was in 2003. [It] is the first in the “Callaway Wilde” series, of which there are four—Loaded, Lethal, Liar, and Legacy. I also have a psychic thriller series: Eye of the Beholder and Speak of the Devil.
My first hardcover is Invisible Ellen (2014), the story of a girl who is overweight, orphaned, unattractive, and unwanted. She has learned to make herself virtually invisible in society. And then one day a blind girl falls into her on the bus; she can’t see her, but she knows she’s there! I’m very excited about it. I’m now writing the sequel Emerging Ellen.
Where do you live?
I live in the National Forest above Los Angeles.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I am married, but my husband spent most of that time (six years) traveling around the world, so he missed the music [video] scene. Also, he’s a theatre director and actor, so he’s more into Shakespeare than pop music! He directed Scream at the Devil. That’s why I agreed to do the movie after a few years off of film and TV acting. I did continue to do theatre for the last number of years, but I needed to be home to raise my girls. Now they are big and I can go back to do a bit. Though I love writing best! Working in PJs (as I am right now) is the best!
Tell me about your kids.
Two girls, 19 and 14. The joys of my life.
What do they think of the video?
I don’t think they’ve ever seen it. Both of them have grown up on sets and in theatres surrounded by actors and directors much more famous than mom and dad. So they aren’t easily impressed. When everyone at school has parents who are household names, your perspective is a bit different!
What did you think when you first heard from me?
Not sure if you were for real.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
I think yes, at the time—a couple of magazines and newspapers, probably in Atlanta. I actually was the “Dean guitar girl” and that got me more attention in the world of rock and roll!
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
Not for that, but for other things. Of course when I was on The Young and the Restless, it was kind of mandatory.
Did you stay in touch with 38 Special?
Nope.
How do you look back on the experience?
I knew nothing. But I paid attention and learned things about set etiquette, flow, who does what, etc. So…it was good.
Anything you’d like to add?
Thank you for taking the trouble to get in touch with me.
Tweet about this interview to @38Special_News @ShariShattuck!
Next: Adam Ant, “Goody Two Shoes” (1982).
The video: “Caught Up in You” by 38 Special.
The girl-now-woman: Shari Shattuck.
How old were you when you appeared in the “Caught Up in You” video?
Uh, well, I’m 53 now, so it must have been 18? Somebody else do the math. [MTN: 22.]
Where were you living at the time?
I was living in Atlanta. I was modeling there.
What music videos, shows, or movies had you appeared in prior to that?
I hadn’t done any other music videos. I had done a few television commercials.I started my acting career shorty after this when I moved to New York and began to study acting. We filmed two videos, actually. I don’t remember the second song, but the video picks up where the first one left off. I actually liked that video better—it was a bit more moody and cinematic. [MTN: It was “You Keep Runnin’ Away”]:
I also did one other music video, for the lead singer of Atlanta Rhythm Section—Ronnie, I think? But that was after, on a return trip from New York.
How were you cast in “Caught Up in You”?
I think I went on an interview, but I held the dubious title of top model in Atlanta at the time, so I believe I was requested for this.
Do you remember what your reaction was when you were cast?
It sounded like fun, but not a lot of money. I remember thinking the pay was nothing compared to my modeling rate.
What were you paid?
Not enough! But the experience on set was valuable, and it was fun to do something different.
Were you a 38 Special fan?
Not in particular. I did like their music, but I was always more of a jazz and blues kind of gal. I had been a competitive ice skater, and my parents were big supporters of the arts, so classical, opera, and alternative were my usual fare.
Where was the video filmed?
It was a big club in Atlanta, midtown I think. I don’t recall the name of it.
How long was the shoot?
Looooong. Two days for “Caught Up in You” and another day or so on the other, but the hours were absurd. That’s what you get for taking non-union work! LOL.
How did you feel making the video?
How did I feel? Mmmm, well, it was a job. Fun to be moving instead of posing. I felt like it was a step in the direction I wanted to go, toward acting.
What was the hardest part of the shoot?
Being “up” when we’d been waiting on the set for 14 hours or so. Of course, after twenty-something years of working on sets, I’ve gotten used to conserving energy until I need to call it up. Being 18 or so helped, of course. Energy to burn!
How was it to work with 38 Special? What were they like? Did any of them hit on you?
No, nobody hit on me. My then-boyfriend was with me most of the time, and honestly, we barely saw the [band]. They spent their time off in a “green room” and were very difficult to get to the set. It was a bit annoying, but I understood that they had been on tour and were exhausted. This was fun time for them, so there was a good bit of drinking and joking around. That was tough on the crew working such long hours.
Any funny stories from the shoot?
I do remember that I was supposed to make this amazing pool shot. They had a shark come in to do the actual shot, of course, but we gave it a shot with me. He set up the table and told me where to hit the cue ball. I am not a pool player. I whacked away and that white ball went flying off the table. It was a good laugh.
Anything go wrong on the shoot?
Not that I can remember. The toughest thing was getting the band to come in and shoot when they were ready…lots of grumbling about that.
What did you think of the video?
I thought it was fun. Not the most profound pile of steaming art, as we say in the film industry, but fun to do and to watch.
What did your parents think of it?
My mom liked it. My dad’s always been fairly indifferent to my work. He likes that I work hard and am good at whatever I do, but what it is…he’s not that concerned with.
What did your friends think of it?
A lot of jealousy, as I recall. Modeling is very competitive and I kind of waltzed off with [the] “good job” when it showed up in town. I remember I had to deal with SAG wanting to come to the set and shut us down. But we got through it. I didn’t work on non-union shows after that video and one film. The film about killed me.
Did you watch the MTV World Premiere of the video, and if so, where and how did that feel?
Nope, didn’t see it. They sent me a videotape.
Did the video ever affect your dating life in any way (i.e. when you first told boyfriends you were the woman in it)?
No. I was always doing something or other that got me more attention than I understood. The Playboy cover, for example.
Then it was films and commercials, etc. I suppose there were people who were very into [the video], but interestingly enough, that wasn’t a big “a-ha” thing for me. I left for New York shortly after, so maybe I was just really busy starting a new life.
Did you receive fan mail? If so, do you still have any of it?
I still get the occasional email or comment on my website about it. But good Lord, it’s been over thirty years! I’m not a keeper of fan mail and the like. It’s nice to see, respond to, and then it’s relegated to the past.
Did the video generate any controversy that you know of?
Absolutely not.
Were you ever recognized in public?
I was recognized often, but I don’t remember it being for that in particular, though I’m sure it must have sometimes been. Atlanta is a big/small town, and there was seldom a weekend that I wasn’t in a full page ad for something or other in the Atlanta Journal. So it’s hard to remember one thing from another.
Did you appear in other music videos after that?
Just the ones mentioned above.
Did you ever meet other women who were female leads in a mainstream ‘80s rock video?
Oh my goodness, I’m blanking on her name right now, but Bruce Springsteen’s first wife—Julie Anne? Julie…Sue? (Mental void, arggh!) She and I started out modeling with Elite at the same time. Years later, when she was on Sisters, I played a recurring role for several episodes. I know she was in one of his, at least. What is her name? You’ll know. Nice lady. Julianne Phillips! That was it. And of course once I was in L.A., you couldn’t eat breakfast at Du-par’s without a video gal chucking some hash browns at you. Very competitive, as I said.
If you went to college, where and what did you study?
I did not go to college, but I’m very self-educated. I love science and literature. Of course—I’m a writer!
What are you doing these days?
I just finished my first film in quite a long time, Scream at the Devil. I also write. I have six published novels. My first, Loaded, was in 2003. [It] is the first in the “Callaway Wilde” series, of which there are four—Loaded, Lethal, Liar, and Legacy. I also have a psychic thriller series: Eye of the Beholder and Speak of the Devil.
My first hardcover is Invisible Ellen (2014), the story of a girl who is overweight, orphaned, unattractive, and unwanted. She has learned to make herself virtually invisible in society. And then one day a blind girl falls into her on the bus; she can’t see her, but she knows she’s there! I’m very excited about it. I’m now writing the sequel Emerging Ellen.
Where do you live?
I live in the National Forest above Los Angeles.
If you are/were married, what was your future husband’s reaction when he learned you were in this video?
I am married, but my husband spent most of that time (six years) traveling around the world, so he missed the music [video] scene. Also, he’s a theatre director and actor, so he’s more into Shakespeare than pop music! He directed Scream at the Devil. That’s why I agreed to do the movie after a few years off of film and TV acting. I did continue to do theatre for the last number of years, but I needed to be home to raise my girls. Now they are big and I can go back to do a bit. Though I love writing best! Working in PJs (as I am right now) is the best!
Tell me about your kids.
Two girls, 19 and 14. The joys of my life.
What do they think of the video?
I don’t think they’ve ever seen it. Both of them have grown up on sets and in theatres surrounded by actors and directors much more famous than mom and dad. So they aren’t easily impressed. When everyone at school has parents who are household names, your perspective is a bit different!
What did you think when you first heard from me?
Not sure if you were for real.
Has anyone else ever interviewed you about this?
I think yes, at the time—a couple of magazines and newspapers, probably in Atlanta. I actually was the “Dean guitar girl” and that got me more attention in the world of rock and roll!
Have you appeared at any fan conventions to sign autographs? If not, would you?
Not for that, but for other things. Of course when I was on The Young and the Restless, it was kind of mandatory.
Did you stay in touch with 38 Special?
Nope.
How do you look back on the experience?
I knew nothing. But I paid attention and learned things about set etiquette, flow, who does what, etc. So…it was good.
Anything you’d like to add?
Thank you for taking the trouble to get in touch with me.
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