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RE-UNION WITH DEREK & JASON

Re-Union with Derek Turner & Jason Clark

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In this conversation, Jason and Derek discuss their reunion and the reasons behind Derek’s hiatus. They talk about their passion for the topics they discuss on their podcast, their personal journeys of growth and transformation, and the importance of love and union with God. They also touch on the impact of their podcast on the community and the need for vulnerability and authenticity in relationships.

The conversation explores themes of love, recovery, church, and the transformative power of faith. In this part of the conversation, Jason and Derek discuss the concept of being born again and experiencing death as a transformative process. They also talk about the significance of repentance and the role of trust in the journey of faith.

They highlight the American contribution to spirituality through the 12-step program of Alcoholics Anonymous and the need to break free from dualistic thinking. The conversation concludes with a discussion on hope, union with God, and the power of love.

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The reunion between Jason and Derek is seen as perfectly timed and long overdueThe podcast allows them to discuss their passions and the topics they care about.Derek shares his personal journey of transformation and recovery, including his decision to step away from alcohol.The importance of love, union with God, and the transformative power of faith are emphasized throughout the conversation. Being born again involves experiencing death as a transformative process.A genuine connection with God can be found outside of the institutional church structure.Repentance and trust are essential in the journey of faith.The 12-step program of Alcoholics Anonymous is an American contribution to spirituality.Breaking free from dualistic thinking is crucial for understanding union with God.Hope is found in the realization that God is continually restoring all things.

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“Love is the long game”
“We’re here to tell a better story about God”
“The 18-inch journey into the heart”
“Death is now a womb instead of a tomb.”
“I’m done with the concert and the TED talk.”
“Let’s turn off the social media with the algorithm of fear.”

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Derek Turner lives in Charlotte, North Carolina. He has two daughters, Caroline & Kate. Derek also co-hosts the Rethinking God with Tacos podcast and loves to connect on all the socials. Derek believes “Love everyone the most” sums up what it means to be a follower of Jesus.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian — a storyteller who writes to reveal the transforming kindness of the love of God. He has authored several books, including, Leaving and Finding Jesus, God Is (Not) In Control, & Prone to Love. He is the lead communicator at A Family Story and co-host of Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their four children, Madeleine and Joseph, Ethan, and Eva.

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Navigating through loss with a good God, experiencing the presence of God as a loving Father, loving our neighbor, democrat and republican, and love answering every question that aches in the heart of humanity, Doug Crew shares on these subjects and more with insight and grace. Doug is the executive leader of Shiloh Place Ministries and a good friend of the podcast.

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“Christian faith, for me, is no longer a static location but a great spiritual journey…what matters most…is not where we are but where we’re going.” This podcast is a gentle invitation to discover a way of faith defined by love. Brian and Jason discuss navigating rejection, stepping away from literalism, and inerrancy in our approach to scripture and faith, and their personal journey of trusting that God is better than our best thoughts about Him.

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This conversation, co-hosted by Paul Golf, explores Douglas Campbell and Jon DePue’s book, Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul’s Gospel. The guys discuss the practical implications of their theological perspective and its impact on the church and society. The relational nature of God’s revelation and the transformative power of understanding God’s kindness and reconciliation are central themes.

This conversation delves into the concept of Christian Universalism, the impact of theological beliefs on individuals, and the importance of rethinking traditional perspectives. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding God’s love and the practical implications of our beliefs in everyday life.

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Published on July 11, 2024 18:55

IAN SIMKINS / THE TABLE

Ian Simkins The Table

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Jason and Brooke connect with Ian Simkins and talk about community, the role of the table in ministry, and our identity being discovered in knowing ourselves as “the one Jesus loves.”

They dive into the challenges of tribalism and division and the need for curiosity and humility in engaging with others. Themes of self-worth, identity, and the concept of being loved are discussed as they explore the impact of workaholism, the need for validation, and the struggle to find value beyond accomplishments.

The conversation addresses the practical implications of being loved, the correlation between self-love and loving others, the importance of operating from a place of rest, the concept of mystery in faith, the beauty of curiosity, and the significance of valuing interruptions.

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Support The Podcast Brooke Waters aims to see people live in the complete freedom available in Father God. As Founder of Path to Wholeness, Brooke helps people know they belong, are significant, and there is Hope. She received her BS in Psychology with two majors in Crisis Counseling and Addictions & Recovery, along with 20 years of experience in ministering to those who experienced trauma, abuse, and human trafficking. Brooke is married to Dan’l Waters, and together, they have five children and four grandchildren. She loves road trips and awkward moments.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian—a storyteller who writes to reveal the transforming kindness of the love of God. He has authored several books, including Leaving and Finding Jesus, & God Is (Not) In Control. He is the lead communicator at A Family Story and host of Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their four children, Madeleine and Joseph, Ethan, and Eva.

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Derek and Jason highlighted the connections being made on the Rethinking God with Tacos Facebook Group. The guys also discussed Derek’s new book, Make Room, a 21-day journey through the Gospel of John. Derek wrote this devotional to help strengthen our trust in our God’s unconditional love, melt fear from our hearts, and help us see ourselves through the eyes of our Father.

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Scott Crowder is a pastor, singer-songwriter, and one of Jason’s closest friends. The guys dive into their love for the church, about learning how to be present with God, ourselves, each other, and our community. Scott talks about creating church cultures that practice the fruits of the Spirit, learning to lead ourselves and others in seasons of joy and sorrow, that “success” isn’t about numbers, cool fads, or being ‘front runners,’ it’s discovered in community.

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Published on July 02, 2024 20:58

DON KEATHLEY / A GRACE AWAKENING!

Don Keathley A Grace Awakening!

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This conversation between Jason and Don Keathley dives into Don’s history and the evolution that led to the Grace Awakening Network.

The guys discuss the transformative power of grace, the Fatherhood of God, unconditional love, inclusion, and the practicality of the manifestation of the sons of God. The conversation delves into the importance of trust, the revelation of God’s love, and the significance of becoming the light of the world. They also explore the concept of faith and the measureless revelation of God’s love.

The conversation delves into the concept of sonship and the revelation of the Father’s love, emphasizing the integration of Jesus’ identity with our own. It explores the idea of theosis and the developmental process of becoming the fullest measure of the stature of Christ.

The discussion also touches on the nature of rest, the seamless flow between two realms, and the transformation of hearts and minds through union with the Father.

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian—a storyteller who writes to reveal the transforming kindness of the love of God. He has authored several books, including Leaving and Finding Jesus, & God Is (Not) In Control. He is the lead communicator at A Family Story and host of Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their four children, Madeleine and Joseph, Ethan, and Eva.

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“My mom exemplified this (The Tree of Life) further every time she invited the “black sheep” of the family to our family Christmas events. That was confusing to me as a child because in my mind, and in our culture, they were most certainly “Out,” yet that never deterred my mom from inviting them to our table.” Eden Jersak.

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Published on June 26, 2024 11:37

BOB HAMP / THINK DIFFERENTLY LIVE DIFFERENTLY

Bob Hamp Think Differently Live Differently

iTunes Spotify YouTube This conversation with Bob Hamp and co-host, Brooke Waters, explores the themes of freedom, identity, and transformation, emphasizing the shift from religious performance to relational experience. It delves into the concept of thinking differently, highlighting the process of becoming who we are created to be. The conversation delves into the topics of identity, behavior, freedom, and the nature of God’s love. It explores the idea that behavior follows identity. The concept of the kingdom of God and the discovery of oneness is also discussed, emphasizing the role of consent and freedom in the context of love.

The conversation touches on the restoration of the self and the invitation to return to a place of oneness with God. The conversation delves into the practical application of relational theology, the impact of false narratives, and the role of theology in real-life scenarios. It also explores the nature of God as revealed in Jesus and the misassignment of responsibility in abuse situations within the church.

This episode delves into the impact of family dynamics on personal identity, the absence of responsible parenting, and the cultural shift towards self-focus. It also explores the concept of revival and the future of the church, emphasizing a flatter, more community-oriented structure.

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This podcast announces and features Jason’s new book, Leaving and Finding Jesus, in audio format. Retribution is the title of chapter seven and is presented in its entirety. In this chapter and podcast, Jason juxtaposes retribution with reconciliation and recognizes that a punishment lens on the nature of God is one of the reasons the church is navigating broken trust. It’s also why we currently find ourselves in a Deconstruction Movement.

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Published on June 19, 2024 10:07

CHANNOCK BANET, CORY RICE, MATTHEW HESTER / 3 PASTORS, 4 MICS & TACOS

Channock Banet, Cory Rice, Matthew Hester 3 Pastors, 4 Mics & Tacos

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Channock Banet and Cory Rice are the senior and teaching pastors at Hill City Church just outside Louisville, KT, and the hosts of 2 Pastors And A Mic Podcast. Matthew Hester is the senior pastor of Dominion Church in the Greenville, SC, area, and the host of The Kingdom Is For Everyone Podcast.

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God’s sovereignty revealed by Jesus through cruciform, self-giving love, the nature of trust, intimacy, and union, and the transforming truth that there is no shadow of turning with God, in this podcast the guys explore Jason’s upcoming book, Leaving (& Finding) Jesus. This conversation juxtaposes an inclusive, reconciling, self-giving, unconditional view of God’s love against an excluding, hierarchal, punishment-focused, conditional view of God’s love.

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John Crowder pulls from the different streams of the church to talk about Christilogical Trinitarian theology, grace, union, contemplative practice, intimacy, and mystical Christianity. John and Jason dive into the Cross, Western atonement theories, and the religious industry built upon separation; how Jesus is healing the human race. John describes a relationship with a person, Christ. He invites us to embrace mystery so we might discover that God looks like Jesus.

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“Eternal life is not on a timeline, it is the ever-present now.”

Wm Paul Young, the author of The Shack, talks with Lloyd and Jason Clark about eternal life, an authentic friendship with our Father where we are free to live in the ever-present now. Union, peace, grace, expectancy, trust, facing our fear, the incarnation, death, writing for the one, and stories about Pauls’s friends on death row and the Shack movie, this is an authentic and vulnerable conversation.

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Published on June 12, 2024 10:23

CHANNOCK BANET, COREY RICE, MATTHEW HESTER / 3 PASTORS, 4 MICS & TACOS

Channock Banet, Corey Rice, Matthew Hester 3 Pastors, 4 Mics & Tacos

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Channock Banet and Corey Rice are the senior and teaching pastors at Hill City Church just outside Louisville, KT, and the hosts of 2 Pastors And A Mic Podcast. Matthew Hester is the senior pastor of Dominion Church in the Greenville, SC, area, and the host of The Kingdom Is For Everyone Podcast.

Jason joins the guys in the Hill City Church studio to talk about the perfection of God’s love, the awakening within the church to union, relational theology that practically transforms our communities, how leaving the idolatry of separation impacts our thoughts on justice, heaven, and hell, friendship with God, the Kingdom alive and active in us, and seeing Christ in everyone.

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Matt Chandler, pastor, and writer, recently used the phrase “a sexy fad” when describing the deconstruction movement. Derek and Jason highlight his statement to dive into the nature of their own de/ and reconstruction. This podcast dives into sin, grace, reconciliation, and God’s love for all His kids, the church deep and wide. Ultimately, the guys kick off season three embracing Rom 8:38-29 That nothing… “will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

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Published on June 12, 2024 10:23

Kingdom Theology

Kingdom Theology Forward by Jason Clark

I was honored to write the forward for Dubb Alexander, Ryan Pena, Eunike Jonathan & Tony Robinson’s new book, The Kingdom — Available Now!

FORWARD

My son has a framed work of art hanging on his bedroom wall that once graced the wall of my childhood bedroom. It is a colored pencil drawing of a castle with spires and battlements, a fortified tower, arrow slits, a drawbridge, a corresponding moat, and gate.

It also includes a soldier on guard duty standing tall, uniformed in royal blue trousers, scarlet red tunic, and a beefeater English bearskin hat. His sword is unsheathed and held up in a salute—as if to let us know he maintains vigilant watch, eyes always scanning for signs of an enemy, ready to respond to any threat.

The soldier is disciplined, dedicated— he is steadfast in his loyalty to the King and Kingdom. He would die for the King.

How do I know? What makes me such an expert regarding this work of art?

I’m the artist.

Inspired by the castle mural painted on my Covenant Church third-grade classroom wall, I drew that solitary soldier and his kingdom. In my nine-year-old scrawl, above my castle, I wrote the phrase, “The Kingdom God has prepared for us far exceeds any imagination.”

That phrase was inspired by 1 Cor 2:9: “…No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”

Yeah, I grew up in the Church and thus, I’ve been fascinated by the King and His Kingdom since before I can remember. The idea of Kings and Kingdoms permeated everything I knew about God, Scripture, and the way we Christians navigate all things. But the Kingdom I understood was a dichotomy— “a division into two parts…”

The awe-inspired nine-year-old who drew that castle grew up in a loving home and knew a kind and loving King with a beautiful Kingdom that looked like family.

But that kid was also raised in the Church’s dizzying obsession with good and evil and often compromised by a separation-based atonement theory. That innocent nine-year-old grew up in the Western Evangelical obsession with dominion by way of domination, sovereignty by way of control, justice by way of violent retribution, and power by way of hierarchies of exclusion.

While I knew the other-centered love of Jesus, I had to traverse the Church’s literal application of violent Old Testament delusions. The Kingdom was often presented as a militarized, politicized war machine leveraged by religious zealots and fork-tongued grifters for the purpose of control and exclusion.

Thus, as I entered adulthood, I began to believe that God’s beautiful Kingdom was a prepared future heaven that could only be experienced if I survived the brutality of this present age.

Then, in my thirties, thanks to pioneers in the goodness of God, I began to refocus my Kingdom definitions around what Jesus had to say about it.

Jesus talked about the Kingdom all the time. But never with a sword in His hand and always in the language of Greater Love and the context of family. Not once did Jesus call God, “King,” He always called Him, “Dad.”

“When you pray, say Father…” He instructed us in Luke 11:2, and he continued in Matthew 6:10. Dad, “Your Kingdom come…on earth as it is in heaven.”

And boy did I pray—my nine-year-old earnest faith reignited in my thirty-something heart. I joined all creation in the age-old question; the one we’ve been asking since the lie of separation first entered the mind of Adam.

“Some of the Pharisees asked Jesus, ‘When will the kingdom of God come?’

Jesus answered, ‘God’s kingdom is coming, but not in a way that you will be able to see with your eyes. People will not say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ because God’s kingdom is within you.’” (Luke 17:20-21)

Remember that castle-inspiring verse in Corinthians? “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him” —the very next verse reads, “But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit…” (See 1 Cor 2:9-10)

It seems that Jesus believed the Kingdom wasn’t a future heaven but a present revelation of the family relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit established on earth through us.

Jesus reframed the Kingdom in the relational context of Family. You could say it this way, if it isn’t family, it isn’t the Kingdom Jesus revealed.

As my friends Dubb Alexander, Ryan Pena, Eunike Jonathan, and Tony Robinson have written, “The Kingdom is a Royal Family who co-reigns upon the Earth… The heart of God in creating humanity is for family. His desire in the act of creation was not to expand His army, but to give love through union and connection with Himself…”

They continue, “We were created for connection, oneness, and union with The Trinity. This is the first aspect of The Kingdom we need to see. The Kingdom is a family, and Father’s heart is to expand that family.”

And finally, “The Kingdom, most simplistically put, is ‘The extension of the heart and authority of God, from Heaven to Earth, through humanity….it is powered by love, revealing identity and purpose, liberating people to be authentic and unifying humanity with honor.”

This book provides clarity and liberty to discover the what, where, when, how, and why of the Kingdom within us. What is the Kingdom? What is it like? What must it become? When and where is the Kingdom?

This manuscript is beautifully practical—no highbrow hoops to jump through or self-indulgent theological speak, this is a straightforward, thorough, grace-inspired discovery of how to live, move, and have our being in the Family as ambassadors of our Father’s Kingdom. My friends have written an invitation into relational trust.

You know, my Father loves that castle I drew when I was nine. He knew I saw myself in that soldier with the sharp military uniform and shiny sword; recognized my earnest salute—His eyes alive with laughter as I presented my vigilant watch.

He also knew my warrior interpretation of His Kingdom would be transformed by His indwelling Spirit. He knew there would be fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, friends like those who wrote this book, who would come alongside me to re-present His Kingdom.

If I were to pick up the colored pencils today and let my imagination run wild, if I were to set about creating a work of art that represented the Kingdom, and if I were to hang that image on my wall, you most likely would see a family.

And I believe if you looked closely, you would see yourself in it.

I am grateful for what my friends have written. It’s their work of art—an invitation to discover that The Kingdom God has prepared for us far exceeds any imagination. And “God has revealed it to us by the Spirit…”

Jason Clark—Author of Leaving and Finding Jesus and host of Rethinking God with Tacos
www.afamilystory.org

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Jason Clark is a relational theologian — a storyteller who writes to reveal the transforming kindness of the love of God. He has authored several books, including, Leaving and Finding Jesus, & Prone to Love. He is the lead communicator at A Family Story and co-host of Rethinking God with Tacos PODCAST. He and his wife, Karen, live in North Carolina with their four children, Madeleine and Joseph, Ethan, and Eva.

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Published on June 05, 2024 21:32

DOUGLAS CAMPBELL & JON DEPUE / BEYOND JUSTIFICATION

Douglass Campbell & Jon DePue Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul's Gospel

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This conversation, co-hosted by Paul Golf, explores Douglas Campbell and Jon DePue’s book, Beyond Justification: Liberating Paul’s Gospel. The guys discuss the practical implications of their theological perspective and its impact on the church and society. The relational nature of God’s revelation and the transformative power of understanding God’s kindness and reconciliation are central themes.

This conversation delves into the concept of Christian Universalism, the impact of theological beliefs on individuals, and the importance of rethinking traditional perspectives. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding God’s love and the practical implications of our beliefs in everyday life.

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Published on June 04, 2024 20:02

BRENT LOKKER / UNION REVELATION

Brent Lokker Union Revelation

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In this conversation, Brent Lokker and Jason share personal experiences and insights into the understanding of union with Christ, emphasizing the importance of seeing God’s love and grace in every aspect of life. They discuss the revelation of God’s goodness and the transformation it brings.

Shame, freedom, awakening to the perfection of God’s love, the power of revelation, belonging, authenticity, and the power of seeing others as filled with God’s glory; in this conversation, Brent and Jason share stories that illustrate the heart of the Father and His desire to draw us into a relationship with Him.

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Published on May 23, 2024 15:29

JASON CLARK / UNTAMED

Jason Clark Untamed

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In this conversation, Jason and Brooke discuss Jason’s book ‘Surrendered and Untamed’ and the journey of writing it. They explore the themes of radical faith, surrender, and living untamed. Jason shares his personal experiences and encounters with God that shaped the book.

This podcast discusses the process of writing, radical obedience, discovering and embracing ‘calling,’ a relational approach to surrender, themes of hope, identity, and union, and rethinking favor. Brooke and Jason explore the concept of separation and how it affects our understanding of God and our experiences in the church. Jason also touches on the themes of dismissal, rejection, and the spirit of prostitution within the church.

The conversation concludes with a discussion about tacos and an announcement of a book study on ‘Untamed’.

Takeaways

Living surrendered allows us to live untamedWriting style can evolve and become more direct over time.Encounters with God can shape and inspire creative work.Relationship with God is more important than knowledge.Challenges can lead to growth and transformation.Surrender is not just about obedience but about entering into a deep friendship and relationship with God.Hope is not just a mental exercise but a tangible feeling of expectancy and anticipation.Discovering our true identity comes from encountering the Father and seeing ourselves through His eyes.Union with God is the foundation for living an untamed and fulfilled life.Running after promises and dreams is important, but it is even more important to find ourselves in the lap of the Father. The book ‘Untamed’ explores Jason’s journey of rethinking God and the church.Separation is a key theme in the book, affecting our understanding of God and our experiences in the church.The church often operates in transactional ways, leading to dismissal, rejection, and even prostitution of people’s gifts and anointingsThe concept of favor is redefined in the book, highlighting the unconventional ways God works.A book study on ‘Untamed’ will be held, providing an opportunity to delve deeper into the themes and engage with Jason.

The conversation explores justice and dismantling paradigms, removing accusations, and living in our true identity. It concludes with a discussion on universalism and the long game of love.

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