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Snape called her a mudblood and chose Death Eaters over Lily. It was never infinite love. James Potter loved Lily infinitely.
Snape loved her too. He was hurt and embarassed and just reacted without thinking. I also think his terrible home life made it impossible for Snape to show love the way it should be.
Snape said and done bad things, but that's why he is so much better for me than James. He was flawed, he was impulsive, but he wouldn't do anything to separate Lily and James. He just wanted her to be happy.
James was good for Lily too, but I always preferred Snape over him. My personal opinion and taste.
Snape did love Lily. Like Stepheny said, it was just his initial reaction to being so badly embarrassed by James. Snape loved her and stayed on the good side, despite Dumbledore failing to keep his promise to protect her, so he could protect her son. He protected Harry despite Harry looking exactly like the guy who bullied him and took the girl he loved. I have nothing against James and he was more fitting for Lily than Snape was, but to say that Snape never loved her infinitely is just wrong.
He was motivated by love, yes, but only after Lily's death. Which would sort of suggest that he wasn't doing it because of her feelings, but rather the damage that his own actions caused and the guilt that came with it. He chose the Dark Arts over her and called her a mudblood, betraying their friendship even though he was hurt and embarrassed, but he never left that path until Lily died. Everything 'noble' and 'honourable' he ever did was out of guilt, it was quite selfish of him actually. He wanted to atone for what he did.
Aren't we as humans allowed to right some of the wrongs we have made in our lives? Do you mean to say that he shouldn't be forgiven for his actions before he realized the magnitude of those actions? He was raised in a way that didn't allow him to love her. His family life was not good and being that she was muggle born only made his love for her more forbidding. He was conflicted over which path to take, and the way that James treated him only pushed him farther into the dark arts. Realizing what his actions led to clearly affected him and made him want to swear it all off. I think he is allowed that forgivenes.
I am simply proving my point by stating my opinion, it doesn't have any hidden meanings.
Yes, Snape is a human being just like the rest of us, but I don't think the question is about forgiving. Snape was a bad person and I would never trust him at all, granted he is a brilliant, brilliant character, I just don't like him.
I don't think the way he was raised makes any difference for his incapability to love because if we look at Andromeda Black-a Slytherin with a bad family-she was in the exact same boat as Snape. Ted Tonks was a muggle-born to and Andromeda still chose the path of good.
James wasn't the only bad one, Snape and James were as bad as each other, in Snape's case even more so. Snape had Lily whereas James didn't. Snape was never weak or a victim to James, he was always able to fight back which just proves that James was never the bully. Who must 'sectumsepra' have been used towards?
were so many subplots that a lot of aspects are overlooked unless you find other HP superfans to talk with. I just enjoy a nice friendly debate. I see your point about Tonks amd the same point can be made about Sirius. I just don't think Snape deserves all the hate he is getting. I think that his love for Lily never faltered in any way. I also think he is one of the best characters in the series, but I find him to be a tragic case. I think his love was very real. You are also right on your point about sectumsempra- obviously it was for James and his pals. Like I said, I dont think James was the saint everyone made him out to be.
Like I said preivously, I just enjoy a nice friendly debate as I am "obsessed" with HP. :)
Well, Snape is quite a hatable person even if he is a brilliant character. I have an entirely different opinion so cannot agree with much of what you're saying. James wasn't a saint, but he was true, just, loyal and a brilliant person something that Snape never was.
I guess we can just agree to disagree. :)
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Snape called her a mudblood and chose Death Eaters over Lily. It was never infinite love. James Potter loved Lily infinitely.
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Snape loved her too. He was hurt and embarassed and just reacted without thinking. I also think his terrible home life made it impossible for Snape to show love the way it should be.
Snape said and done bad things, but that's why he is so much better for me than James. He was flawed, he was impulsive, but he wouldn't do anything to separate Lily and James. He just wanted her to be happy. James was good for Lily too, but I always preferred Snape over him. My personal opinion and taste.
Snape did love Lily. Like Stepheny said, it was just his initial reaction to being so badly embarrassed by James. Snape loved her and stayed on the good side, despite Dumbledore failing to keep his promise to protect her, so he could protect her son. He protected Harry despite Harry looking exactly like the guy who bullied him and took the girl he loved. I have nothing against James and he was more fitting for Lily than Snape was, but to say that Snape never loved her infinitely is just wrong.
He was motivated by love, yes, but only after Lily's death. Which would sort of suggest that he wasn't doing it because of her feelings, but rather the damage that his own actions caused and the guilt that came with it. He chose the Dark Arts over her and called her a mudblood, betraying their friendship even though he was hurt and embarrassed, but he never left that path until Lily died. Everything 'noble' and 'honourable' he ever did was out of guilt, it was quite selfish of him actually. He wanted to atone for what he did.
Aren't we as humans allowed to right some of the wrongs we have made in our lives? Do you mean to say that he shouldn't be forgiven for his actions before he realized the magnitude of those actions? He was raised in a way that didn't allow him to love her. His family life was not good and being that she was muggle born only made his love for her more forbidding. He was conflicted over which path to take, and the way that James treated him only pushed him farther into the dark arts. Realizing what his actions led to clearly affected him and made him want to swear it all off. I think he is allowed that forgivenes.
I am simply proving my point by stating my opinion, it doesn't have any hidden meanings. Yes, Snape is a human being just like the rest of us, but I don't think the question is about forgiving. Snape was a bad person and I would never trust him at all, granted he is a brilliant, brilliant character, I just don't like him.
I don't think the way he was raised makes any difference for his incapability to love because if we look at Andromeda Black-a Slytherin with a bad family-she was in the exact same boat as Snape. Ted Tonks was a muggle-born to and Andromeda still chose the path of good.
James wasn't the only bad one, Snape and James were as bad as each other, in Snape's case even more so. Snape had Lily whereas James didn't. Snape was never weak or a victim to James, he was always able to fight back which just proves that James was never the bully. Who must 'sectumsepra' have been used towards?
were so many subplots that a lot of aspects are overlooked unless you find other HP superfans to talk with. I just enjoy a nice friendly debate. I see your point about Tonks amd the same point can be made about Sirius. I just don't think Snape deserves all the hate he is getting. I think that his love for Lily never faltered in any way. I also think he is one of the best characters in the series, but I find him to be a tragic case. I think his love was very real. You are also right on your point about sectumsempra- obviously it was for James and his pals. Like I said, I dont think James was the saint everyone made him out to be. Like I said preivously, I just enjoy a nice friendly debate as I am "obsessed" with HP. :)
Well, Snape is quite a hatable person even if he is a brilliant character. I have an entirely different opinion so cannot agree with much of what you're saying. James wasn't a saint, but he was true, just, loyal and a brilliant person something that Snape never was.
I guess we can just agree to disagree. :)
