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Thebomb wrote: "I think Patreon's twitter is deleting all tweets about the scam.

or I could be wrong.
#suspicious"

Uhm yeah, I was wondering why I didn't see any although I have seen several people mentioning that they wrote them.

Elena wrote: "Nicki wrote: "It isn't about punishing an author for me, it's about protecting others."

Same for me."

+1

Elena wrote: "Thanks, Josy. ;)
It was kind of a rethorical question, actually. :D.."

Oops, lol ;)
But it's good to have it out there again in the case anyone else is wondering about it :)

Josy wrote: "Elena wrote: "Nicki wrote: "It isn't about punishing an author for me, it's about protecting others."

Same for me."

+1"

me too +1

Josy wrote: "Thebomb wrote: "I think Patreon's twitter is deleting all tweets about the scam.

or I could be wrong.
#suspicious"

Uhm yeah, I was wondering why I didn't see any although I have seen several peo..."

me and friend wrote them one or two days ago, I can't find the tweets.
ugg. they're in on it, in my eyes, at least.

and as for them not finding cause, how much more damage there needs be for them to be convinced, many many authors and people and publishers announced their own disgust . how much is too much for them anyway?

I have no idea if this is an end of the month sort of thing, I hope so. but Patreon could have resolved the matter already so ppl wouldn't still have to be pay. right?

Elena wrote: "Nicki wrote: "It isn't about punishing an author for me, it's about protecting others."

Same for me."

:)

Elena wrote: "So far it seems like it isn't doing any good anyway, but I still have hope that Alexandra is right and people are getting ready to leave at the end of the month."

Some people possibly will. The reality is there will likely be some who still buy/read SH's books and remain on Patreon. Regardless of what anyone thinks of that, that is their right.

My previous comments were only to warn about making the assumption that all who currently remain due so out of support for SH.

Sandyco wrote: "My problem with this is that the sentimental damage has already been done. What happened has happened and cannot be changed. I would hope that anyone who has been hurt by this will try to move on from it and not stay stuck by doing things like trying to shut down the Patreon. Going on and living your life, and basically ignoring an abuser, is a much better strategy for the victim's emotional health. I'm not saying there should be no consequences, and to my mind the consequences have already been pretty severe (dropped by Riptide, etc.). "
It would, perhaps, be best if you allowed survivors of abuse to deal with their abuse in their own way and not tell them how to deal with their own abuse.

My father sexually abused me for what amounted to the entirety of my childhood (from my earliest memories until I was 16, when I cut off contact with him after the abuse came out). I am 33 years old now. I am not fine at all, despite having made every effort to ignore him and move on with my life. I even believed that I had "forgiven" him for a significant period of time (until I realized what I was really doing was repressing my emotions).

I'm glad your daughter is doing well. I am glad you are doing well. But what worked for the two of you will not necessarily work for everyone, and you should not proscribe it for everyone.

Thebomb wrote: "Josy wrote: "Thebomb wrote: "I think Patreon's twitter is deleting all tweets about the scam.

or I could be wrong.
#suspicious"

Uhm yeah, I was wondering why I didn't see any although I have see..."

We know this is your livelihood. We invest heavily in making these decisions. We always want creators to feel like they have an open line of communication. So how does this translate to content moderation? Our first reflex is always to try to educate creators to help them understand how a rule has been broken and how to remedy the issue. In cases where the violation is particularly bad or intentional we may take further action such as suspending or removing their account. In the most extreme cases we may ban a creator from using Patreon.
https://www.patreon.com/guidelines#en...

Would be great if they'd act like they are promising to do.

Sandyco wrote: "Fair enough, but again, why not leave Patreon alone? I doubt much money is being made from it, considering most patrons are probably at the $5 level. This probably wouldn't even pay rent or a mortgage."

In addition to what all the others have said, which I second, she has a job as a special ed teacher.

A special ed teacher who once had this at the top of one of her MANY live journal accounts:



I've no idea if he works or not but her regular income plus the $1300 or so the #churchofhassell is still supplying her with plus royalties on the paperbacks & audiobooks that are still available... they're not going to be at the welfare office or facing foreclosure any time soon. Sure, there may be some lifestyle changes that have to occur but that's the risk she took perpetuating a lie for 15+ yrs.

DepictonFiction wrote: "Thebomb Josy wrote: "Thebomb wrote: "patreon should have disabled them -_-

250+ idiots are still falling for their tricks, and actually believing it or being willfully blind"

Sorry I was one of t..."

I honestly regret using the word idiot. but I have read comments from Patreon members who do not feel the way you do. and have expressly said they would continues supporting SH even knowing what they did, those are the people I mean.

not conscientious/unaware people like yourself :)
I apologize to you

Optimist ♰King's Wench♰ & MANTIES Champion wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "Fair enough, but again, why not leave Patreon alone? I doubt much money is being made from it, considering most patrons are probably at the $5 level. This probably wouldn't even pay..."

I figured as much

Alexandra wrote: "The reality is there will likely be some who still buy/read SH's books and remain on Patreon. Regardless of what anyone thinks of that, that is their right."

IT IS their right.
I certainly hope people will decide to stop supporting SH once they're aware of everything, but I wouldn't be okay with anyone being pressured into leaving Patreon or doing anything else.
That's why I asked Sandyco who isn't leaving people still on Patreon alone. I was serious, although I realize it probably didn't come off that way.

Elena wrote: "Alexandra wrote: "The reality is there will likely be some who still buy/read SH's books and remain on Patreon. Regardless of what anyone thinks of that, that is their right."

IT IS their right.
..."

I hear ya. :D And it is very possible that some that remain will simply take a while to become aware of the issue. So, there is always that as well.

+1

Optimist ♰King's Wench♰ & MANTIES Champion wrote: "A special ed teacher who once had this at the top of one of her MANY live journal accounts:..."

OMG!! I didn't know about this one. This is disgusting!!

I'm not surprised, I was suspicious actually

expect the unexpected.

His Instagram is finally gone.

Julie wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "I'm curious as to when "enough is enough". Publishers have turned away in droves; unless SH can afford to self-publish, their career is pretty much done. Why not leave the Patreon a..."

Gaslighting is attempting to make someone else doubt that their own perceptions are true - making them feel like they're going crazy. I've been a victim of this, and that's not what I'm doing.

I agree that everyone has different ways of dealing with abuse and trauma. My point was that it's very harmful to stay stuck emotionally. Whatever it takes to get unstuck (therapy usually helps) is the best course of action. Actively hating someone uses up an intense amount of energy that could be used elsewhere.

Having said that, I'm perfectly content to hate my ex-husband for the rest of my life for what he did to our daughter, but I try not to fixate on it, because that's harmful to me.

Lyra wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "My problem with this is that the sentimental damage has already been done. What happened has happened and cannot be changed. I would hope that anyone who has been hurt by this will ..."

Lyra, I'm so sorry that happened to you. :( And I'm sorry that you're not doing well now. I'm not a licensed therapist or anything, so I have no words of wisdom. Sending you a hug, and I'm sorry if what I said triggered you in any way.

I’ve been reading along for quite a few days, but didn’t have anything to add until now.
I have been off goodreads for about a year, and since Twitter is part of my review space, I hadn’t been on there either. I supported SH Patreon for a period of time until Dec last year when my own finacial position changed. I joined to read short stories, and didn’t actually participate in the Patreon group other than to read those stories when I got an email alert.
I actually (ironically) came back to goodreads to look up books that were similar to the baron series while I waited for book 3 in Sep, and came across this post. So speaking from experience, I suspect that some of those patrons may not know what’s going on because they’re not active participants, and they only check around the date the shorts are supposed to come out.
Some are just humans who prefer to stay ignorant and disconnect for the real damage this has caused. I hope they will change their minds in time, but not everyone has the same moral compass and will continue to support them.

I’m grateful to all of the people who came forward and continue to keep that message going. Without this post I would still have zero clues what has been going on.
It took me a few days to fully grasp the scope of damage to real people in all of this. I thought I was supporting #ownvoices of a bisexual man, and it is really disappointing that this has shown to be false. My money could have gone to someone else, and from a personal standpoint this pissed me off. But the carnage this couple has left with others on an emotional level is out of this world and my heart goes out to everyone who had something taken from them in their dealings with these people. I can’t imagine opening a book and seeing verbatim dialogue that I had with the author in those pages. It is horrendous.
15 years is a long time to run a scam, and the fact that no one took notice until now, even though the information was there, shows how good these two are in scamming people and gaslighting them. So yeah, I will continue to support those who are doing the work to get the message out there so that this couple cannot continue to reap any benefits of their long-con.
It’s not about destroying their lives, it’s about making sure that they don’t destroy anyone else. I don’t see that as vindictive at all.

Sandyco wrote: "Julie wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "I'm curious as to when "enough is enough". Publishers have turned away in droves; unless SH can afford to self-publish, their career is pretty much done. Why not leave..."

I don't think you were trying to be a gaslighter. Just put in help with something that is not to be helped like that. It's a common thing, and I certainly can't fault you for it. But the process for each person is so different. Regardless, I am glad you are doing well.

I think you may understand some cycle behaviors that SH likely exhibited. The build up, followed by being cruel - saying horrible, nasty things - and then, when there's fear of losing control of you, the apologies or pretending nothing happened. It's all better.... for a while, until it goes back round. So in this way, we can see how abusive it truly was.

Sorry y'all, but I have to say something.

Sandyco said: ….My problem with this is that the sentimental damage has already been done. What happened has happened and cannot be changed. I would hope that anyone who has been hurt by this will try to move on from it and not stay stuck by doing things like trying to shut down the Patreon.

True, it has happened. In addition, it is still raw for many of the survivors who are living with the abuse on a daily basis. I do not believe that these survivors are ”stuck” in any way. I do believe, with all my heart, that they are trying to move on, but not before getting help and support for their trauma and letting others know about the abusers and giving them the opportunity to “choose” what to do about SH by telling their stories. Getting the information out about these abusers is important, it is vital! Get it out there into the world. Let as many people know as possible.

Sandyco said: …Going on and living your life, and basically ignoring an abuser, is a much better strategy for the victim's emotional health.

Really? Why would you say something like this to victims of abuse? Is this what you said to your child? I do not think so. You stepped up to protect and support her from her abuser. You did what any parent would do.

Sandyco said: …I'm not saying there should be no consequences, and to my mind the consequences have already been pretty severe (dropped by Riptide, etc.).

Not severe enough.

Sandyco said: …I speak from personal knowledge, by the way, as my daughter was molested by her father when she was nine years old. I put him in prison for five years (I still wish it would have been longer!), and he has been out for a long time now, but I try not to dwell on it.

And I’m sure you did everything within your power to put him away. You got help for you and your child/children, had support systems put in place, went through the legal means to send a pedophile to prison. Any parent would. But, he’s still out there. Still. Out. There. Posing as an upstanding citizen. Possibly doing this to other children. My god. I would want to know if someone like this was out there or was around a loved one. Would it not be in the best interest to let as many people know about these types of abusers?

So, ignoring an abuser as you say is really not the best thing to do in any case. Is this what people should do/say to their loved ones that are/have gone through trauma? Getting the word out, and getting help and support is the way.

Sandyco said: ”… consequences have already been pretty severe…” .

Is this the conclusion that you came to in your case? Really trying to understand this logic. Not getting’ it. Abuse is abuse, no matter what shape or form. People have been abused here. They are processing and trying to get through what has happened to them.

Sandyco said: I'm curious as to when "enough is enough". Publishers have turned away in droves; unless SH can afford to self-publish, their career is pretty much done. Why not leave the Patreon alone and let the few remaining patrons have their space? I know I'm in the minority here, but what is the point of destroying someone's life so completely? Do you want them to be homeless and begging on a street corner? Is that the only ending that would satisfy some of you? I thank God that I'm not that vindictive, and believe me, there are plenty of times when I could have been - and for much worse transgressions.

I am curious as to why you think that these abusers will become homeless? They won’t. I am curious as to why you think that the people (generic) no longer need know about what has happened? Let them choose when the information reaches them.

Sandyco said: …is that the only ending that would satisfy some of you?

Not really. It’s not vindictive as you say. The more information that we can get out there, the better. No time to be in denial, no time to be “quiet”, no time to ignore it. It’s time to be BRAVE! To SPEAK UP! To have the “balls” to bring down the fuckers that thought it was OK to abuse.

Sandyco said: I agree that everyone has different ways of dealing with abuse and trauma. My point was that it's very harmful to stay stuck emotionally. Whatever it takes to get unstuck (therapy usually helps) is the best course of action. Actively hating someone uses up an intense amount of energy that could be used elsewhere.

My point was that it's very harmful to stay stuck emotionally.

Ummm, I’m not seeing that here. I see courageous people working through some fucked up shit that has happened in their lives. I see support from ALL over towards the survivors. I see long overdue apologies and mended friendships…even new ones. I see power, strength, courage, tenacity, and other positive support. And this is the best course of action here right now. I’m out.

ETA..."There are many who will now know."

Sandyco wrote: "Lyra wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "My problem with this is that the sentimental damage has already been done. What happened has happened and cannot be changed. I would hope that anyone who has been hurt ..."

Thank you for your understanding. The issue that I have is that I have spent a lot of time being told by a lot of people how I should be reacting as a survivor of abuse, and it is never helpful. Instead, I get to feel bad because of the abuse, not have a support system because people are not supporting how I am reacting, and feel bad because I'm not healing in accordance to how other people feel I should be healing. It is incredibly unhelpful. For example you say, "My point was that it's very harmful to stay stuck emotionally. Whatever it takes to get unstuck (therapy usually helps) is the best course of action. Actively hating someone uses up an intense amount of energy that could be used elsewhere," which is the kind of thing people like to say because it sounds really nice to a lot of people, but how in heaven's name does one put it into practice? I mean, sometimes I hate my father. A lot. And while it might be nice to channel the energy that I'm using to feel hate into something else, I don't know how to decide not to experience an emotion. I can ignore it, but it's still going to be there. Having people judge me for my emotions isn't going to make those emotions go away, either.

It's the same for anyone who has been a victim. Maybe they will recover relatively quickly, maybe they won't. But if they don't, being told that they should be recovering faster because it would be better for them isn't going to help them in any way.

Lyra wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "Lyra wrote: "Sandyco wrote: "My problem with this is that the sentimental damage has already been done. What happened has happened and cannot be changed. I would hope that anyone wh..."

Thank you for sharing.

Sandyco wrote: "I speak from personal knowledge, by the way, as my daughter was molested by her father when she was nine years old. I put him in prison for five years (I still wish it would have been longer!), and he has been out for a long time now, but I try not to dwell on it. She's just fine; she has a husband and new baby now, and we're all glad her father's not any kind of toxic influence in our lives. If I had gone after him the way I really wanted to, I would have had no time to raise my kids, and they were the priority. "

And how would you feel if your daughter's father had taken those experiences and written stories about them without her and/or your knowledge or permission?

Because that's what SH did. They took conversations told in confidence by people who thought they were their friend (along with sometimes unwanted sexual advances) and used them in their books TO MAKE A PROFIT! Along with telling lies about their sexual identity and health to solicit donations from their fans TO MAKE A PROFIT.

Hi all, I'm only recently up to speed on the SH events. I was an icos fan from early 2014, before Santino was solely published and successful. I dropped away from SH early last year and cancelled my patreon because something felt off, actually a few things felt off.

I wanted to post something here to give some clarity and reassurance surrounding Ais. Ais is my friend, I know her on a personal level and she is indeed real and genuine. Like a couple of people in this thread have mentioned, I too beta read for Ais and her style and stories couldn’t be more different from SH. She writes diverse characters, builds a detailed alternate world and her books are epicly long. Her stories, tumblr posts, (shes on tumblr more as opposed to Fb etc) messages, emails promote respect, tolerance and peace. You may not have heard much from her in the last few years but thats because she doesnt shout out every detail of her life on every available social media platform. Yes she has a patreon but its free to join, you dont need to subscribe to a tier to access her posts instead you can donate only if you wish to. Myself and a few others encouraged Ais to create a patreon as a platform to publish chapters of her fantasy book prior to finding an agent.
Ais is a good, genuine person.

My username on tumblr, fb, patreon is Lars Logan in case anyone wants to verify/make connections to who I am. I am going to remove my ratings of SH published books but I wont be deleting any old tumblr posts relating to SH as i want these to remain public and for full disclosure.

I hope this post is helpful. I hope the people who were hurt by SH find solace in the exposure of the couple behind the name and abuse.

DepictonFiction wrote: "Thebomb Josy wrote: "Thebomb wrote: "patreon should have disabled them -_-

250+ idiots are still falling for their tricks, and actually believing it or being willfully blind"

Sorry I was one of t..."
I wasn't on Patron but you're far from the only one who is late to this, as I said before, I initially thought this was about an author going under a male pseudonym being revealed to be female and commented to support SH over that. It was only when I was linked into Susan's thread that I realized what was actually happening.

I've been catching up on the comments and thinking about the questions about lines crossed to the side vindictiveness, forgetting the human side of the people behind the Santino Hassell scam, wondering when "enough is enough"...


I did not write this original thread to be vindictive. That I can swear. I wrote it because I wanted the truth. I wanted Santino Hassell to answer for all the discrepancies and holes and proof of lies. Now that I've seen the NUMBER of victims and how many people this person has hurt? I want not another dollar to be made off of the scam that is Santino Hassell. It's not right and possibly not legal.

Now, if I lose my job, I go and find another one, no matter what it takes. I have bills to pay and mouths to feed, so I need to find a way to take care of myself. But, what I don't do is steal, I don't commit fraud, I don't hurt people to give myself a good life.

We agree that there is a writer there that is talented (though, I question how someone with a full-time job and so actively involved online (which requires time) could put out that many books a year...). Alicia or Marvin or the both of them can and should write new books - I don't care. I just don't want "Santino Hassell" to profit any longer from a 15-year scam with a string of victims left in the wake.

Lastly, let's not forget that Santino Hassell has not admitted to or owned up to ANY of the wrongs. Rather s/he has shrugged off telling "30%" lies (a generously low percentage, IMO) as if that's totally acceptable, left much of the fraud questions unanswered, and has made it clear that their intention is to continue to scam people if people are willing to be scammed.

In our legal system, people are expected to show some level of remorse before being offered any new chances in their life. Because SH has not owned up to any/all the terrible things s/he has done, victims are not only hesitant to move on, we're also STILL AFRAID of what will happen next.

Why didn't I come forward sooner when Nikki & the #nastybirds were showing proof online, proof I believed in? Because i had to call a lawyer, I had to inform my work that someone may contact them. This was how scared I was. I've now found out that SH has said threatening things about me for years. So I've had to contact local authorities as a heads up. This is the GENUINE FEAR that victims are still feeling.

So, I don't know when enough is enough. What I do know is I'd like to not give SH any money to fund her/his retaliation tour. I'd like for people to stop feeling sorry for a person THAT DOES NOT EXIST, and I'd like the people behind the scam to show some remorse so that I can believe in some semblance of human goodness again.

Until then, you can call me vindictive. But I'd rather you call me a "pissed off b*tch", which is probably more accurate and is 100% justified.

Susan, nothing of what i have seen of you seems vindictive.

For my part, if someone I know starts talking about SH’s books, Marvin’s or Alicias, I will mention what they have done. I would do this about anyone who I see as a wrong doer.

It’s important to contextualise wrong doing. For instance, if they stuffed up once, 4 years ago, and had since been great, I would mention that too.

If they’d become a source of support and positivity around our community after doing this 12 years ago, I would still mention it to give the full picture.

When telling people about SH’s actions I aim to be matter of fact other than emphasing that these people are stone liars who have been working a long con. Theirs is an extreme case.

I would want to know, so I assume others would too. I also want the full picture, hence continuing to follow this thread.

In considering my own actions around this I bear two guidelines in mind: first, act in good faith and take the path of right action, and secondly, don’t encourage bad behaviours in other people.

My impression of you Susan, is that you have been trying to do the right thing.

Chin up. We support you.

Susan wrote: "I've been catching up on the comments and thinking about the questions about lines crossed to the side vindictiveness, forgetting the human side of the people behind the Santino Hassell scam, wonde..."

These are things that in my own opinion cross the line. These are generalities, and not directed at any specific individual. Most especially not you, Susan. I appreciate very much what you have done here, and what you have provided for others here.

1. Attempting to control others, removing their own right to choose for themselves. Attempting to force them to submit to someone else's will.

2. Going into someone else's space to attack, harass and/or insult them.

3. Tolerating nothing less that 100% agreement in every detail, every single way and in all particulars. Refusing to allow for any variances, even when someone is in general agreement. Lack of respect for individual thinking, and lack of awareness of differing perspectives.

Less serious, IMO, but still bothersome for me, is aggressive response to someone who is showing by tone they are expressing themselves respectfully, are willing to discuss and to listen reasonably, even if not in complete agreement. Because attacks never persuade - and quite often are counter-productive, but dialog often can. At the very least understanding a different view, even when one strongly disagrees, is the most productive way to form and express compelling arguments against it.

As well as assumptions regarding position and attitudes of those who have not spoken, failing to see many possible reasons why they have not (yet) taken action. Demonizing people for whom there is little or no evidence to support such conclusions.

Amazonaute wrote: "Susan, nothing of what i have seen of you seems vindictive.

For my part, if someone I know starts talking about SH’s books, Marvin’s or Alicias, I will mention what they have done. I would do thi..."

+1 100%

Alexandra wrote: "Susan wrote: "I've been catching up on the comments and thinking about the questions about lines crossed to the side vindictiveness, forgetting the human side of the people behind the Santino Hasse..."

I completely agree with what you have said about Susan's efforts with this :)

I also agree with so much of the general sentiment of this statement, which could be applied to any argument. You're saying what I would like to say only a lot more eloquently. I do need to add the caveat that in my opinion victims rights should always be respected and they should never have to debate those rights. (I don't think for a moment you are arguing against that, I just need that to be made clear also, for me to add my agreement).

Seems like SH revised his blog post

Old version: http://web.archive.org/web/2018031411...

New version: http://santinohassell.com/the-other-p...

As far as I can see, they rewrote some parts and erased any mention of them being a catfish and their "trollish behavior" :/

Until then, you can call me vindictive. But I'd rather you call me a "pissed off b*tch", which is probably more accurate and is 100% justified.

I don't think you've been in the slightest bit vindictive but, even if you had, you fully have the right to be given how you have been treated and no-one should be telling any of the victims how they should be behaving or reacting.

I think the most true statement that has been made by SH is Marvin's snapchat post where he sadly informs that his publisher, his agent, his editor has dropped him and that he understands why then laments " they " just wouldn't let him do what he wanted to do. "They" are their victims. They are the people who they abused, mined, bullied, manipulated, gaslit, turned people into people they never thought they would be, encouraged behavior in any other circumstance those same people would reject. Their friends lied, covered, attacked, ostracized on demand, for him....the idea of him. I imagine it is very difficult for his friends that were defending right up to the very end who were then smacked in the face with his " apology ". For those friends I understand why they would rather change the narrative that those who spoke out and continue to speak out are just being vindictive now. They aren't reveling in the " gotcha, A**holes" because they are blaming themselves for being fools for the a**holes. I understand why they want this to die. The first time I read Nikki's twitter there was a real fear as I was reading and even whispered...don't touch anything... I didn't want any group coming at me. I'm not in any group, I wasn't a patron, but I knew the possibility of repercussion. I understand why the victims of SH will not let this die, why they will not just let them do what they wanted to do because its toxic and goes beyond just reading some books. I am very sad to read Lyra's story, Sandy's story. I wonder though if Sandy knew there was a young girl in her ex-husband's life, if she would just keep quiet or warn the mother?

Have contacted Patreon yet again as they seem to have 'lost' my previous correspondence 😡. I've completed a Trust & Safety complaint form and cited URL's and all other sorts of evidence...again, but this time I've copied the form and sent them a copy too so they've had it twice. Please stop with the BS Patreon and DO something about it!!

some people keep saying, oh SH apologized, and so has some authors who were with them, and they ask what more do you want?

I think there does need to be an answer, even though in essence I know what it is, but they don't get it. they don't get those fake-pologies are not enough.

begs the question what is enough exactly?

I do not know what "enough" is and I am not a victim so just want to state that. But to me SH actually owning up to all this would be a start. There has been ZERO that I have seen to indicate that they acknowledge what has been said here is the truth or actually apologized. Playing victim on their part is the absolute opposite. I am not sure there is enough for the hurt they have caused. The manipulative manner to which so much has transpired will not be easily forgotten.

+1

Julie wrote: "Thebomb wrote: "some people keep saying, oh SH apologized, and so has some authors who were with them, and they ask what more do you want?

I think there does need to be an answer, even though in ..."

agreed, even some of the people who exposed all the catfishing are still under attack even and they're not getting much support, like Nikki on twitter, and others.

*eye roll* unlbelievable, I ,seriously, thought SH might face SOME [at least] legal consequences, instead it seems all there is now is radio silence.

...so in the apology SH is claiming to be a tall bisexual guy, ie Marvin? But saying 70% lies?

To me the updated “apology” is another attempt at respinning the situation and claiming victim hood - implying moral equivalence between what SH did and what SH’s opponents have done to SH (and that SH has proof).

As to legal consequences, unless someone files an initiating court process, like a statement of claim or an injunction in court, which are public, we would not know. (Or in the case of criminal matters, someone is arrested).

Legal consequences usually begin with someone contacting a lawyer, and then a letter written by the lawyer going to the other side, and then letters going back and forth, or more meetings with lawyers. Filing things in court, other than urgent injunctions, usually take a bit of time. Otherwise, it is usually all very confidential.

I can now claim to posting the Most Boring Posts Ever on Goodreads. Fame is Mine.

Amazonaute wrote: "..I can now claim to posting the Most Boring Posts Ever on Goodreads. Fame is Mine.


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on the contrary it's interesting.
thank you

Thebomb wrote: "Amazonaute wrote: "..I can now claim to posting the Most Boring Posts Ever on Goodreads. Fame is Mine.


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on the contrary it's interesting.
thank you"

Awww thanks!

Hmm, maybe Riptide missed to pull a book or something, Concourse was just releaseed on Audible: https://www.audible.com/pd/Romance/Co...

Annika wrote: "Hmm, maybe Riptide missed to pull a book or something, Concourse was just releaseed on Audible: https://www.audible.com/pd/Romance/Co......"

Not necessarily, it's quite possible SH has re-published it or that Audible hasn't removed any of the books yet because it's technically a different company to Amazon so it may take longer.
ATM, all of SH's audio releases are still on Audible.

Annika wrote: "Hmm, maybe Riptide missed to pull a book or something, Concourse was just releaseed on Audible: https://www.audible.com/pd/Romance/Co......"

Riptide has said that they have no control over the audiobooks:

https://twitter.com/RiptideBooks/stat...

Annika wrote: "Hmm, maybe Riptide missed to pull a book or something, Concourse was just releaseed on Audible: https://www.audible.com/pd/Romance/Co......"

I think all or most of the audiobooks are published by Tantor Media (Audio). I've sent them an email a week ago but haven't heard anything from them.