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@Jim, I think the actual malice if I remember if often more or not a jury question. Also I believe that the July 11th post where they state that the only way to fight bullying is through bullying might be helpful to show that they intended to inflict harm. And of course, once if the identity of the site owner is revealed to be Vanity past communication would probably come into play. Note, it's been awhile since I took Torts though and I haven't really focused on it since I took it because of my other courses, so I'm not 100% sure.

YAL Book Briefs wrote: "@Jim, I think the actual malice if I remember if often more or not a jury question. Also I believe that the July 11th post where they state that the only way to fight bullying is through bullying might be helpful to show that they intended to inflict harm. And of course, once if the identity of the site owner is revealed to be Vanity past communication would probably come into play...."

I love your analysis, YAL! I hope you will be my lawyer someday if I get into trouble.:D

I have not seen the July 11th post you mentioned, but it sounds important. Does anyone have a screen cap of that?

So, the individual bits of physical evidence may at some point add up to an actionable case, with (perhaps) some additional discovery to establish site owner and some other points.

I know you don't want to make any firm statements or conclusions about that, and I don't think we need them at this point. I just like to have the sense that we are on a productive track.

And I want the potential of legal action to be clear to anyone who is reading this. Particularly to someone who might be up most of the night putting the posts together, possibly while also working a day job. Someone who might just make a critical mistake in a post - or maybe has already done so. Someone who has shown a need for further editing of her/his work in the past.

I don't think we are there yet in our understanding of all this, by any means. But I do get the sense that the pieces - at least some of them - are starting to fall into place. I hope you agree.;)

Thanks Jim, I hope you never need my services, lol. I still have a year of school left though and months of studying for the Bar before I can actually practice though, so this by no means is good solid legal advice. It's just advice from a second year soon to be third year student who finds this sort of thing fascinating. So obviously when/if legal action is taken advice from an actual practicing attorney should be sought.

I hate doing this for traffic purposes but here is the link to the post I'm talking about look at Tinkerbell's comments about a principal's advice to her. I think it's been established somewhere on the site that she was one of the creators: http://stopthegrbullies.com/2012/07/1...

YAL Book Briefs wrote: "Thanks Jim, I hope you never need my services, lol. I still have a year of school left though and months of studying for the Bar before I can actually practice though..."

Thanks so much, YAL. And I understand perfectly your reservations. Your analysis is extremely informative, and I am beginning to get a clear picture.

I did screen cap that page. So a commenter is one of the site creators. And the comment is all about the justified response of that site to 'bullying'.

Check. I will look to see what I have from the author blog post.

Apparently the beacons of GR bully combat have linked to this status update on their website. How nice of you to join us.



I've got some print-screens of the latest entry so none of you have to give them any page views.









As someone who has been bullied both online and in real life, I am disgusted by this shit-stain of the internet playing the white knight by intimidating bloggers. You've broken GoDaddy's rules, you've broken Wordpress's rules and generally you've broken the rules of being a semi-decent person. I look forward to karma rearing its head.

Wow, my sock puppet senses are tingling.

Liz wrote: "Wow, my sock puppet senses are tingling."

MsScribe used less sock puppets than this page.

Ceilidh wrote: "Liz wrote: "Wow, my sock puppet senses are tingling."

MsScribe used less sock puppets than this page."

Ahhhh!!! MsScribe!!! Wank, wankity, wank!

They think those bloggers who boycott a blogger who plagiarizes is wrong. No words.

Kenya Wright actually contacted them for the interview. Here's her post on why she did that:

http://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_...

Also very interesting that the website seems to voice support for the Story Siren in relation to her being caught plagiarising. Apparently calling for a boycott of a blogger who got caught stealing is tantamount to bullying. I must be a massive bully then because I advocated a boycott and also contacted several publishers to ask why they provided a thief with ARCs.

Ceilidh wrote: "Apparently the beacons of GR bully combat have linked to this status update on their website. How nice of you to join us.



I've got some print-screens of the latest entry so none of you have to g..."

I. No

II. No

III. No

a. No

b. No

c. No

1. No

2. No

3. No

And am I the only one that finds it hilarious that they have yet to provide an actual case of any of these people bullying someone?

Katie(babs) wrote: "They think those bloggers who boycott a blogger who plagiarizes is wrong. No words."

My head hurts now - its like bizarro land and they would sing a different tune if any of those authors get plagiarized! But then they like contradicting, twisting and obfuscating facts.

Ceilidh wrote: "Kenya Wright actually contacted them for the interview. Here's her post on why she did that:

http://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_......"

And in all honesty our blog isn't THAT big to call a boycott for the most popular YA blogger. We didn't support her and said as much. Their argument is invalid.

does this website still exist? kinda thought it would have drowned in its nastiness.

Stephanie wrote: "Ceilidh wrote: "Kenya Wright actually contacted them for the interview. Here's her post on why she did that:

http://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_......"

...at this point, unless it's an apology to humankind anything they say is pretty much invalid.

Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet.

Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

...But I don't have a dog, cat, or children. So will they dismember my aunts and uncles instead?

They want to take a stand against something, but not as themselves. So...if you claim to be brave enough to want to incite change, than perhaps you should be brave enough to do it honestly.

And I don't understand how authors can be victims by a person not liking their book. Just. Really.

Furthermore, if I were an author I would trust my audience to find my book by virtue of my work. There is no way to please everyone, so why would I want to wade through so many people?! If I were to be published I would consider that a win. The rest will follow in its own time.

John wrote: "Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

...But I don't have a dog, cat, or children. So will ..."

*sobs* My fish aren't safe!

The site isn't giving readers or authors anywhere near enough credit to decipher the bullshit for themselves.

Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

Actually, we hide under beds. Much more efficient for biting off your pinky toe.

Oh, and the "underground movement" remark made me giggle. It's not a site that if you don't join you will suffer the consequences!

Cuddlebuggery will eat your heart, bones, toes... just for fun. Beware. No author or blogger is safe.

If I end up missing, you know Cuddlebuggery is responsible because I dared to speak out about her/him/them and their rampage of cruel bullying.

John wrote: "Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

...But I don't have a dog, cat, or children. So will ..."

I'm sure it can be arranged 'cause we're pure evil. Rulers of Darkness and Fear. We strive to see you cower and shake in your boots. Because we obviously have nothing better to do with our lives.

Also they delete comments that don't support their mission, cause, WTFckery...

Oceana wrote: "John wrote: "Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

...But I don't have a dog, cat, or child..."

Oh no... I do have salamanders. They're going to drown my salamanders!!

(...my aquatic salamanders...)

Stephanie wrote: "John wrote: "Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

...But I don't have a dog, cat, or child..."

You and your evil GIFs have caused terror among the interwebz. Shame on you. Shame Shame, 50 shades of shame.

Katie(babs) wrote: "Cuddlebuggery will eat your heart, bones, toes... just for fun. Beware. No author or blogger is safe.

If I end up missing, you know Cuddlebuggery is responsible because I dared to speak out about ..."

You talked about us on teh internetz! You shall pay!

It is an underground movement that is growing exponentially every day as more and more people find us. More people have been harmed by the GR bullies than we ever knew. We knew there were a lot who had had terrible experiences (or witnessed them) and left the site, but we had no idea how many.



Oh, I'm sorry, am I supposed to be taking this seriously>?

Stephanie wrote: "John wrote: "Katie(babs) wrote: "Watch out everyone! Cuddlebuggery will run over your dog, cat and feed your children to the monster hiding in the closet."

...But I don't have a dog, cat, or child..."

Are you kidding? You sit alone on your computers all day looking for authors to victimize. Pfft... lives outside of blogging? Ha ha!!

Katie(babs) wrote: "Also they delete comments that don't support their mission, cause, WTFckery..."

Well, they do say that if you contact them from their Contact Us page they'll get back to you.

Ceilidh wrote: "It is an underground movement that is growing exponentially every day as more and more people find us. More people have been harmed by the GR bullies than we ever knew. We knew there were a lot who..."

Uhhh... are they forgetting about the people that left (and are still leaving) the site because of authors bullying them? Yeah... o-kay, guess they don't exist...

What? they aren't Gods? *stomps feet and runs crying off the thread!!*

When someone asks you if you're a God, you say YES! Did Ghostbusters teach you people nothing?

Lexxie wrote: "What? they aren't Gods? *stomps feet and runs crying off the thread!!*"

Of course not! Nobody here thought they were Gods.

*kicks altar, shrine and sacrifices into the closet*

It bothers me that book reviewing has gotten so personal and it seems to have been forgotten that reviewers are consumers.

As a consumer, I can go out and buy a pair of jeans from The Gap. The Gap has made a promise that these jeans will stand up to normal wear and that they will make my ass look great. If I get them home and the jeans fall apart or fail to live up to expectations I have a reasonable chance of returning them to the store and getting my money back. If not, I can take to twitter, facebook, my blog or I can go old school and telephone everyone that I know in order to tell them that The Gap sells shoddy merchandise and they shouldn't shop there. Some will listen - most will ignore me. That is how consumerism works.

I also have the right to boycott a store if I disagree with the way they deal with customers, their salespeople, their merchandising, the personal politics of the CEO - pretty much anything that bothers me. Again, I can chose any medium I like in order to spread my message to those who might listen.

I do not have the luxury of returning a book because it failed to live up to its promised level of entertainment. BUT I still have the right to tell everyone I know that it sucked and that they shouldn't waste their hard earned cash on a piece of tripe.

I also have a right to boycott an author if I do not like the way they speak to readers/reviewers, their personal politics, a history of plagiarism or if they once said they prefer cats to dogs - ludicrous, but it is a free country and I am entitled to form an opinion based on any information that I like. Again, I can spread this message in whatever way I wish.

The CEO of The Gap doesn't respond to me with nasty messages or use his considerable resources to seek out my personal information and broadcast it to the world. Instead, he simply tries to ensure that the next pair of jeans is of better quality.

I think it would be very interesting to see their reactions if we offered them the chance to interview someone from the band of ruthless rampaging bullies. Just a thought I had in my insomnia-produced stupor. It would be fun to poke holes in their fallacies.

I dare Cuddlebuggery to contact them and do an interview. Heh.

there is only one God and her name is J4N3
why are you laughing?

J4n3 wrote: "there is only one God and her name is J4N3
why are you laughing?"

*snorts* no, that wasn't a laugh! promise ;)

If they want to shine a light on this nefarious underground movement - then they should come out in public instead of hiding behind sockpuppet Borg Neverland.

Katie(babs) wrote: "I dare Cuddlebuggery to contact them and do an interview. Heh."

That would be

literally

the best thing ever.

This needs to happen.

I'll take that offer.

Dear stopthegrbullies.com My name is Ceilidh and I am a book blogger. I've been called a bully, an anti-feminist embarrassment, a liar, a hater and a whole host of other things. I am offering you the chance to interview me, one of those bully bloggers you are supposedly fighting against, for your blog. You are so vocal to give your side of the story, so surely it is only fair to let us reply to your accusations and defamation? I can be reached here, on Twitter at @Ceilidhann or on www.thebooklantern.com

Megan (Book Brats) wrote: "I think it would be very interesting to see their reactions if we offered them the chance to interview someone from the band of ruthless rampaging bullies. Just a thought I had in my insomnia-produ..."

I think so as well.

Ceilidh wrote: "I'll take that offer.

Dear stopthegrbullies.com My name is Ceilidh and I am a book blogger. I've been called a bully, an anti-feminist embarrassment, a liar, a hater and a whole host of other thin..."

While I doubt they'll contact you, this really does need to be a thing. I hope they realize this. Maybe they can see reason after all?

Ceilidh wrote: "I'll take that offer.

Dear stopthegrbullies.com My name is Ceilidh and I am a book blogger. I've been called a bully, an anti-feminist embarrassment, a liar, a hater and a whole host of other thin..."

Can I interview you on my blog and ask you all the hard hitting questions? We can use fun GIFs!

Katie(babs) wrote: "Ceilidh wrote: "I'll take that offer.

Dear stopthegrbullies.com My name is Ceilidh and I am a book blogger. I've been called a bully, an anti-feminist embarrassment, a liar, a hater and a whole ho..."

Of course, underground comrade. We are but the stuff of Gods and it's always fun to conspire with you. Can you use at least one Miliband gif?

well that was fun. Time to ignore butthurt central some more and go back to reading those good books they DIDN'T write xD

Ceilidh wrote: "Katie(babs) wrote: "Ceilidh wrote: "I'll take that offer.

Dear stopthegrbullies.com My name is Ceilidh and I am a book blogger. I've been called a bully, an anti-feminist embarrassment, a liar, a ..."

Done! *rubs hands evilly together*

This is sick. They're reviewers for Chris's sake, not some kind of criminals.

The person/people behind this have some serious issues and I hope they learn the harsh lesson that the Internet has a very long memory.