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Anyone have tape of Rump endorsing pedophilia? If that's what it takes.

I think he's more interested in actually doing it. Allegedly.

It's sort of amusing that he ever became a cause celebre for conservative Republicans.

Also, amusing that on B**** M**** he justified his attack on trans women on the grounds that the poor little children must be protected from these monsters.

I think part of Yian@$Q#!'s little celebrity moment stems from a deep need to not talk about the history of our country's disastrous interventions in the middle east over the last few decades. I saw part of an interview with him where he was going on trashing Muslims, and the host interrupted to ask what he thought of US foreign policy, and it was clear he just did not have an answer. Like, he'd never actually heard of history before.

He's sort of a parasite on the stupidities of political correctness. Attacking him is also a way of not talking about what's really important. So, yes, I'm sort of ashamed to have such a good idea of who he is.

Manny wrote: "Jaha? Jag kollade DN och SvD, och de verkade inte precis ta det på allvar."

Inte precis en hemlighet att den massiva invandringen till Sverige har lett till ökad brottslighet. Se på Malmös mordstatistik. Se på hur Göteborg har producerat mer ISIS-krigare per capita än någon annan Europeisk stad.

Great article about Yiannopolous in Current Affairs

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/0...

I was wondering if Republicans had changed so much that a screamingly trashy gay man could now become one of their heroes... Evidently no, not that much.

Great article.
Had been kind of tired of people going on about him so hadn't read much on this otherwise.
Am enough of a faghag to have understood the kind of complicated things he was on about, and that it wasn't really fair to describe him as defending pederasty... so couldn't revel simply in his fall from grace.

But still, as Manny more or less mentioned, far worse mud (the alleged abuse of young teenage girls with Jeffrey Epstein) didn't stick to Trump. I really worry for that poor woman who was trying to bring the court case... what happened to her? Thought she should go abroad, almost an asylum seeker.

Ha, I'm a fag, and am encouraging everyone, gay or straight, to revel in this a bit.

On the one hand, he was just narrating his own childhood sexual experiences and declining the categorical label of victim; what he said was mild indeed compared to what you find in a Samuel Delany novel. On the other hand, bitch you ain't Delany! you can hang.

Now hopefully he'll fade and we can all stop having opinions about him.

So, on the age of consent front, there was a thing in France back in the late '70s that may be of interest ::
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...

Down in the references section is a link to an interview regarding the petition with Foucault ; and can be linked here ::
http://www.uib.no/sites/w3.uib.no/fil...
I believe that interview is also in Foucault Live: Interviews, 1961-84.

Nathan "N.R." wrote: "So, on the age of consent front, there was a thing in France back in the late '70s that may be of interest ::
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_...

Down in the ..."

Thanks for the links. Obviously this is a difficult subject.

For the incipient gay liberation movement in the seventies it was very much something open for debate; I think the movement realized it was a losing issue, however, and arguably one consequence of the mainstream acceptance of gays has been to shove child sexuality ever deeper into the land of taboo.

David wrote: "Thanks for the links. Obviously this is a difficult subject."

And I'm just going to stay mum beyond posting those links.

good plan : )

Milo was equally hated by mainstream Republicans. He has a unique following to say the least. I watch him from the sidelines to see just what he'll do next. This latest stunt actually leaves me pretty speechless, which is saying something. There's no question he has some serious internal issues.

Ah and it appears he has "resigned" from Breitbart as an editor. Guess even Bannon is feeling a little hot at the collar from all of this.

Griffin wrote: "Ah and it appears he has "resigned" from Breitbart as an editor. Guess even Bannon is feeling a little hot at the collar from all of this."

Half the staff threatened to quit if he wasn't fired.

sheesh, if Breitbart doesn't want you where can you go??

Niklas wrote: "Manny wrote: "Jaha? Jag kollade DN och SvD, och de verkade inte precis ta det på allvar."

Inte precis en hemlighet att den massiva invandringen till Sverige har lett till ökad brottslighet. Se på Malmös mordstatistik."

Enligt den här sidan förekom det 26 mord i Skåne under 2016. Uppenbarligen för mycket. Men det verkar helt orimligt att jämföra med det som hände i Nice och Berlin. Det handlar inte om terrordåd, snarare om krig mellan olika knarkimperier samt (kanske) några rasistmord.

26 murders in a whole country in a year!? I still remember 1990 when there were 2600 homicides in New York City alone. (The good old pre-Giuliani days... but I'm not advocating for Giuliani! We thought he had the looks of a fascist back then... who knew how right we were!?)

Zadignose wrote: "26 murders in a whole country in a year!? I still remember 1990 when there were 2600 homicides in New York City alone. (The good old pre-Giuliani days... but I'm not advocating for Giuliani! We tho..."

Not a whole country, only a län (county/state) with a population of about 1.2M, so about 2.1 per hundred thousand people per year. For purposes of comparison, the average murder rate for Sweden as a whole is about 0.9 per hundred thousand people per year. For the US as a whole, it's about 3.9 per hundred thousand people per year. So, in rough terms, Skåne is about twice as bad as the rest of Sweden, and half as bad as the US.

I know, I know, cold statistics are out of fashion. What matters is the way people feel.

PS Figures from this page.

Thanks for the correction and link to data. Meanwhile,

Manny wrote: "...I know, I know, cold statistics are out of fashion. What matters is the way people feel...."

Yeah, that's the main point. Sensational events and stories tend to obscure the facts, particularly as we mainly note today's sensations and forget about yesterday's. Today it's like Jonestown, the Son of Sam, and the Oklahoma City bombing never happened... we're in the scariest time evar!!!

This also allows Drumpf to say silly things like this is the worst time for Black people in America ever in our history, as though segregation, lynching, the Tuskegee syphilis study, and... slavery weren't also a part of American history. Yet he spins it so it's the black man's fault. (As Dr. Carson nods his head and smiles with his sleepy eyes.)

Indeed! Though of course I would like to make it clear that I am alarmed by the figures from Malmö. There is no doubt that the homicide rate in the most violent part of Sweden is well above the national average. Good heavens, it's nearly as high as it is in Utah! Must be all those religious fanatics. Do you know how many Mormons there are in Salt Lake City?

Too much salt in the diet will do it.

For what it's worth: This study makes an interesting comparison on the rate of crimes committed between immigrants, the children of immigrants, and native-born Swedes.

https://academic.oup.com/bjc/article-...

If anyone can't access the study, I could send it as a pdf or upload it.

lol

A strawman brought down Milo Yi%$#@!*&

Poetic justice!?

For a little bit of sunshine today: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/i...

Manny wrote: "Men det verkar helt orimligt att jämföra med det som hände i Nice och Berlin. Det handlar inte om terrordåd, snarare om krig mellan olika knarkimperier samt (kanske) några rasistmord."

Of course you can't compare them, and I don't know if Trump did but I am only stating that the levels of immigration into Sweden has led to a high increase in crime and massive social problems. Terrorism is still a very relevant topic though since, as I said before, Sweden has a very high number of ISIS-sympathisers. With Gothenburg being "per capita, the European city from which most people have joined Islamic extremist groups".

Here is an English source: http://www.thelocal.se/20151115/swedi...

And yes, I know the crime rate is far from Chicago levels when it comes to Malmö and southern Sweden. But for a European city it's pretty bad, and for a Scandinavian one it's terrible. And the situation is escalating very quickly.

Since you know Swedish/Norwegian, here is an interesting report from their government news channel NRK about the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxmnC...

For those who don't know Swedish/Norwegian here's a short summary:

- in 1990 there were a total of 3 known "exclusion areas" (utanförskapsområden, not sure of translation, essentially ghettos) where crime and unemployment are very high, in 2012 there were 186 of these areas. Since then it has most likely gone up even more.
- in at least 55 of these areas the police have essentially lost control and various gangs have taken over.
- in many of these areas Islamism is growing rampant, and honour related violence is on the rise, as well as "modesty police" and so on.

I know, I know, "It's not as bad as here in the US". But this has all happened very fast in Sweden, and things are rapidly spiralling out of control. We are quickly becoming a very segregated country, and I worry about the future.

(Just in case anyone cares about off-topic diversions from pages ago, the juxtaposition of asking about speakers alongside discussion of environmental issues prompted me to make more of an effort to find a decent second-hand one. Second hand electronics in particular often seem to be from dodgy-sounding types and thought I CBA. But I now have a nice used Beoplay, less than a year old, currently sounding good enough to be the miniature replacement for a proper stero for which I hoped.)

Niklas wrote: "Of course you can't compare them, and I don't know if Trump did but I am only stating that the levels of immigration into Sweden has led to a high increase in crime and massive social problems. "

This is the stuff people love to quickly dismiss. Thanks for posting.

In the US, immigrants are around one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as American-born citizens. Our crime problem is not an immigrant problem. Don't let Trump's stated intent of publishing weekly lists of "crimes committed by aliens" divert you from the fact Republicans do all they can to increase the prison population in the US - from stop-and-frisk to harsher penalties for drugs and minor crimes to cutting social safety nets to cutting education to cutting in-prison programs for educating and training prisoners for jobs when they are released to making it harder for people with criminal records to re-incorporate into society and even get jobs and vote, etc. (unless of course it's white collar crime then you're golden) Republicans love the bogeyman of immigrant crime - they think it will make us forget all the things they try to enact that make Americans less safe and more desperate every day.

Geoff wrote: "In the US, immigrants are around one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as American-born citizens. "

Not arguing here... but rather than just making statements, here are the actual numbers (based on sentences).

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/fil...

http://www.ussc.gov/about/2015-annual...

Geoff wrote: "In the US, immigrants are around one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as American-born citizens. Our crime problem is not an immigrant problem. Don't let Trump's stated intent of publishing weekl..."

And don't forget how important it is to the US economy to have a permanently insecure class of labor which is not protected by law, who are granted no rights ; who have everything to fear and won't be forming any unions anytime soon. There's an endgame here and it has nothing to do with crime or asserting rule of law. These illegal immigrants won't be deported ; they will continue to labor for us as they always have but with no protections.

Nathan "N.R." wrote: "And don't forget how important it is to the US economy to have a permanently insecure class of labor which is not protected by law, who are granted no rights ; who have everything to fear and won't be forming any unions anytime soon. There's an endgame here and it has nothing to do with crime or asserting rule of law. These illegal immigrants won't be deported ; they will continue to labor for us as they always have but with no protections. "

Most Republicans support some type of amnesty/path to citizenship. I realize Trump doesn't, but he's a far cry from a mainstream Republican.

Nick wrote: "Nathan "N.R." wrote: "And don't forget how important it is to the US economy to have a permanently insecure class of labor which is not protected by law, who are granted no rights ; who have everyt..."

Perhaps that is due to their own misunderstanding of the economic force of undocumented labor. I don't have numbers to work with, but my anecdotal experience of being a line cook on and off for ten years is that the bottom line of a lot of business has underpaid labor built into it. As to the effect that would ripple out to the total economy, who knows.

'm one of the majority of us who voted against Trump. And on behalf my country, including pro-Trump idiots who know not what they do, I apologize. I used to think we were better than this. That racism and sexism, while still there, were diminishing. I was wrong. There are still pockets of ignorance and intolerance, and those people carried the day in November.

Griffin wrote: "the bottom line of a lot of business has underpaid labor built into it. As to the effect that would ripple out to the total economy, who knows."

Oh, it most certainly would - that's just simple economics. How much of an impact would it be? I have no idea. I'm sure there are 100 econ PhD dissertations on the subject though.

Leo wrote: "' pro-Trump idiots who know not what they do, I apologize. I used to think we were better than this. That racism and sexism, while still there, were diminishing. I was wrong. There are still pockets of ignorance and intolerance, and those people carried the day in November. "

I can't stand when someone assumes you're a racist/sexist because you voted for Trump. This completely distorted mentality is the exact reason you lost the election and will continue to lose.

Griffin wrote: "Nick wrote: "Nathan "N.R." wrote: "And don't forget how important it is to the US economy to have a permanently insecure class of labor which is not protected by law, who are granted no rights ; wh..."

We just had the "day without immigrants" in DC and most of the restaurants had to close for the day.

Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Geoff wrote: "In the US, immigrants are around one-fifth as likely to be incarcerated as American-born citizens. Our crime problem is not an immigrant problem. Don't let Trump's stated intent of pu..."

What Nathan said. The new Jim Crow.

Geoff wrote: "We just had the "day without immigrants" in DC and most of the restaurants had to close for the day."

OK? I don't think surprises anyone. No one here (including me) is doubting their value to the economy.

Nick wrote: "Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Most Republicans support some type of amnesty/path to citizenship. I realize Trump doesn't, but he's a far cry from a mainstream Republican. ."

In the spirit of bi-partisanship, I've been waiting for those mainstream Republicans to begin to stand up. Because Trump and their acquiescence is delegitimating the entire party. The Republicans in power today, I mean, are they mainstream or not? In terms of pure power, they're the only ones that can bring a halt to this disaster -- but they've given us no sign of hope. None.

Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Nick wrote: "Nathan "N.R." wrote: "Most Republicans support some type of amnesty/path to citizenship. I realize Trump doesn't, but he's a far cry from a mainstream Republican. ."

In the spirit of..."

You ask a good question. I don't think anyone really knows anymore. But many of us mainstreamers are starting to get a bit antsy... see Drudge's tweets for instance. Trump's order of operations here run contrary to all common sense.

This should have been the normal of operations

1.Tax Cuts
2.Financial Reform
3.ACA replacement/repeal/whatever

And after you've built up some decent goodwill with establishment Repubs, then you can do the crazy shit you're currently doing.


Instead he went straight for crazy and is burning down every bridge in his path. And that's all great and all... until you realize exec orders only accomplish so much and are only good until the next person comes into office.

I blame Paul Ryan more than anyone though. Cant. Stand. Him. The most incompetent Republican on the Hill.

Nick wrote: "I can't stand when someone assumes you're a racist/sexist because you voted for Trump. This completely distorted mentality is the exact reason you lost the election and will continue to lose. "

I mean, right. ...but. How much of this unmitigated sexism and racism built on top of incompetency does one tolerate just to get a few bits of legislation through? I mean to emphasize of course the incompetency component.

And I kind of do just a little bit buy the line about 'it's not chaos*, it's strategy' ; but if that's true, the goal is pure evil.


* 'it's' being the Rump Administration.

Nick wrote: "Leo wrote: "' pro-Trump idiots who know not what they do, I apologize. I used to think we were better than this. That racism and sexism, while still there, were diminishing. I was wrong. There are ..."

You're right and all but like, anecdotally, which of course don't get me wrong, anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all, but anecdotally, everyone I know who voted for Trump (family and friends of family) are both sexist and racist. This in no way speaks of you, Nick, but just, anecdotally...

Nathan "N.R." wrote: "I mean, right. ...but. How much of this unmitigated sexism and racism built on top of incompetency does one tolerate just to get a few bits of legislation through? I mean to emphasize of course the incompetency component. "

Again, a valid question... one that increasingly grows more lopsided as time goes on.

Unless he turns this ship around, re-election will be a bloodbath. That, of course assumes the Dems can put forth an actual idea.

Midterms will surely be interesting.

Also, even if you're not sexist and racist, overlooking sexism and racism, excusing it, letting it slide, and choosing a misogynist and racist to represent you, is still not a very ethical action.

Geoff wrote: "You're right and all but like, anecdotally, which of course don't get me wrong, anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all, but anecdotally, everyone I know who voted for Trump (family and friends of family) are both sexist and racist. This in no way speaks of you, Nick, but just, anecdotally..."

Right... all anecdotal. 3/4 of the people in my social / family circle voted for Trump... a large portion were women. All of whom are college educated and/or white collar professionals. None of whom I'd call racist (well, maybe 1!).

My idea right now is to dive back into Africa with One Man, One Wife. And a cup of coffee. Oh and hey look at that! It's not African coffee, but pretty damn close. From a fair trade deal from Chiapas. Little Zapata in my cup! Anarchist coffee!!

Geoff wrote: "Also, even if you're not sexist and racist, overlooking sexism and racism, excusing it, letting it slide, and choosing a misogynist and racist to represent you, is still not a very ethical action."

Let's not pretend Abe Lincoln was the other side of the ticket. If Bernie was on the Dem ticket, this would've been a landslide in your favor. And honestly, I wouldn't have cared if a Joe Biden won.

Nick wrote: "Geoff wrote: "Also, even if you're not sexist and racist, overlooking sexism and racism, excusing it, letting it slide, and choosing a misogynist and racist to represent you, is still not a very et..."

I say the same thing all the time, friend.