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message 1: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Sep 10, 2015 02:33PM) (new)

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This is the topic area and folder where all urls, websites, resources should be posted for that are focused on the Second World War..


message 2: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Jan 22, 2009 08:32AM) (new)

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THE FOLLOWING IS ERICA'S POST AND URL:

Hmm...if this book was originally published in 1948, it is less a history book than "current events." I'm supposing I would have found it in that section of Barnes and Noble had I been browsing there in 1948...

this is an interesting article i got by googling (maybe you guys have read it). i will be doing a lot of googling, because though i know the basic facts, i definitely don't know enough to have strong opinions. this is an article critical of churchill's version of events:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/w...





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Folks, these are Prunesquallor's post, resources, and citations:

Churchill, don't know much about the fellow, my usual haunts start around 25,000 BP and run down to the "collapse" of the Roman Empire, with secondary excursions into the U.S. Civil War, World War I, and World War II. So, with some background in these two "great" wars, why do I know so little about Churchill? I've taken numerous courses that cover the two "great" wars, but never found Winston's books listed as anything other than "memoirs" (like Hitler's "Mein Kampf") to be read as colorful adjuncts to the core bibliographies. Do modern historians avoid using Churchill as textbook material for some particular reason? The fellow has a reputation for being a "great historian," so why are his books not at the center of the curriculum? While, it seems, no professional historian I've talked with wants to "attack" Churchill's credentials as an historian, still, no one uses his books as teaching texts. Why not? Is Winston somehow NOT considered a "real" historian by the professional academics, but his popularity makes it too difficult for them to publicly criticize the man or his writings? Hmmm, should we be forewarned by this situation that his works are to be viewed more as opinion/ editorializing than "objective" history? Don't know, yet.

"Churchill waged the Second World War twice over: as Prime Minister steering his country from disaster in 1940 to victory in 1945, and again as the conflict's principal historian, with six volumes of memoirs published over the subsequent decade. The saga of his premiership is celebrated, the story of his war memoirs virtually unknown, yet Churchill the historian has shaped our image of Churchill the leader. As he liked to say when locked in wartime controversy, 'I shall leave it to history, but remember that I shall be one of the historians.'" (David Reynolds, "In Command of History," p. xiv, 2007)

"Churchill wrote the 'History of the Second World War' in substantial measure as an exercise in self-vindication and political re-engagement." (David Cannadine et al, "Winston Churchill in the Twenty-first Century," p. 3, 2004)

Winston Churchill... I was going to pass up the "opportunity" to group-read this particular book because I feared the forum would all too soon become a chorus of conservative voices singing out the praises of a man who has been shaped (and indeed actively shaped himself) as an untouchable icon of the right. When the "history" that defines Churchill was largely written by him, and then inspired the accolades of hundreds of earnest works of pure hagiography, I despair of ever being able to get an "objective-historical" view of Winston. Who was he, REALLY? What contributions to the flow of history did he REALLY make? Was he as consistently prescient as his own words suggest? How are his thoughts and actions to be judged? Do his writings really come up to the basic standards of "history," or are they more "propagandistic" in nature?

I have a strong suspicion that merely reading Winston's own books will not get me close to the sort of understanding of him that I am seeking. So, in my basic ignorance, I'll have to do a good deal of supplementary reading, and hope the "experts" can lead me to a "corrected" view of the "Greatest Statesman of the Twentieth Century."

But, here's the rub, if Churchill was so good at shaping his own image, and if professional historians are reluctant to debunk the myths associated with that public image, how will we ever come to a rational, "objective" understanding of Churchill and his place in history?

What I normally do in preparation for such discussions, is precisely what Erica has done -- I "Google-up" the topic and look for a range of sources, "negative," "balanced," and "positive." I must confess, I'm having trouble finding both the "negative" and the "balanced" when it comes to Churchill bibliographic research:

"Even to breathe a word of criticism of the 'Greatest Englishman of All Time' was regarded as virtually treasonable in the 1950s and 1960s. In the 1970s and 1980s the multi-volume official biography by Martin Gilbert added massively researched detail in a further act of hero-worship. ... Now, however, a new iconoclast has suddenly emerged, and a flurry of angry reviews, debates on radio and television, and -- that most certain sign of ruffled feathers in the Establishment -- outraged letters to 'The Times,' shows that he has succeeded in hitting his target. In his 'Churchill: The End of Glory,' the young historian John Charmley attacks Churchill's reputation head-on. Far from being the hero who rescued Britain from the humiliations of appeasement and led the country to victory over Hitler by his indomitable spirit, Churchill, says Charmley in the concluding passage of his book, was a failure:"

Churchill stood for the British empire, for British independence,
and for an 'anti-Socialist' vision of Britain. By July 1945 the first
of these was on the skids, the second was dependent solely
upon America, and the third had just vanished in a Labour
election victory. (J. Charmley, "Churchill, The End of Glory")

(cf. Richard J. Evans, "The Reunification of Germany," pp. 204-205, 1997)

So, maybe in Charmley, I will have a "negative" but academically sound interpretation of Churchill to help balance the adulatory accounts of such author's as Martin Gilbert? But I'm still floundering about in my search for a genuinely "balanced" (and readable) account of Churchill's place in history. Any suggestions?






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1914 Article: (Animosity between the French and the Germans)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract...



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Winston as Historian:

Though I disagree in part with this Wikipedia entry; there are some here who may find it of interest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_...



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The Churchill Centre:

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...



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Charlie Rose interview with Roy Jenkins regarding Churchill biography:

http://www.charlierose.com/view/inter...



message 8: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Jan 22, 2009 02:48PM) (new)

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VERSAILLES AND AFTER: 1919 - 1933:

http://books.google.com/books?id=PrcO...



message 9: by Prunesquallor (last edited Jan 22, 2009 02:56PM) (new)

Prunesquallor | 37 comments Winston as historian -- It is interesting that in the 1948 first edition preface Churchill, perhaps with the ironic understatement of his British wit made the following statement concerning his Second World War narratives: "I do not describe it as history, for that belongs to another generation. But I will claim with confidence that it is a contribution to history which will be of service to the future." (TGS, p. iv, 1948 ed)


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He is pretty amazing with his humor; he probably knew that he would have his detractors. And indeed it is a contribution to history. Good find Prunesquallor.


message 11: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Feb 02, 2009 09:46AM) (new)

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National Review On Line (interesting perspective):

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=...

Buchanan:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/b...



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Obviously even with the play on the title; wondering if in your reading whether he alludes to WSC?


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Here is a url from National Review:

Poland mentioned and Churchill's remarks

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi...



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I am posting in two places a review of a book titled A Question of Honor. It is an interesting piece because it discusses guilt that Churchill and may even Roosevelt (if he had lived) shared about Poland. I think it is odd how folks who win wars and decide the fate of others can reshape what generations in the future read and think. I wonder if in Churchill's rendition of the Second World War that in terms of Poland what Churchill said and how he categorized Poland did not have something to do with his own shared guilt in how he and Roosevelt sacrificed Poland to Stalin as one of the spoils of war to be divided. Interesting review and possibly book which seems poignant considering Churchill's quote on page 289.

What is everyone's take on Churchill's stated views of the Poles and Poland? Do you think that Churchill felt guilt over his decisions and was being not only reflective but also protective of his own stature in future years in writing what he did on page 289? Or do you feel that his statement was a correct assessment?

http://www.powells.com/essays/olson.html


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The Churchill Centre View on Poland:

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...



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Interesting Article concerning the Poles assimilation in Britain after the war:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/stoke/features/p...



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Interesting Web site from the Polish perspective:

http://www.polandinexile.com/vp1.htm



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Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-194

http://books.google.com/books?id=xTKv...



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More from the Churchill Centre:

http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/p...


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French and British Betrayal of Poland - 1939:

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmas...



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Oldesq, I feel similarly. As Dick mentioned in thread 8, the Poles did many times stand in the way of their own well being. But the betrayals, JMHO were another thing. Maybe Britain felt immune for some reason and felt that these things can never happen here or on our soil. Who knows. It is troubling to read about the Poles and realize that 6M of them died at the hands of the Germans and the Russians. 9/11 was a horrible experience for all of us; but we are talking about 2 to 3K; I was considering the magnitude of what the Poles went through. It is mindboggling.




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BBC source regarding strange Russian exhibit:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/725...



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VANITY FAIR ARTICLE REGARDING MONSANTO:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/fe...



message 26: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Mar 25, 2009 07:43AM) (new)

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Diplomatic Pouches still exist:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/r...

http://www.state.gov/m/a/c8028.htm

Wonder about them in this post 9/11 world.



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POLAND COMES UP YESTERDAY:

http://www.state.gov/

Note: Click through to the video "U.S., Australia Reaffirm Commitment To Face Challenges Together" - question from the press at the end


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message 30: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Mar 29, 2009 07:45PM) (new)

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I reread one of the earlier chapters in the book today because I felt that I did not appreciate everything in that earlier chapter until now. It is funny; but as you read Churchill despite some of his pontificating, you have to admire him greatly. He was courageous.

I guess we come across so very few folks in our lives who actually stood for something. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to be that kind of person and not wilt under pressure.

I think folks were so fearless then; so sacrificing ; I often wonder if my father's and grandfather's generations were the last of the unsung heroes; I think Tom Brokaw got it right when he called them the Greatest Generation. They really were.

What I like best are the great side anecdotes.

Bentley


message 31: by Tom (last edited Jan 08, 2011 08:48PM) (new)

Tom Just found this on the web..

http://www.uis.edu/archives/memoirs/3...

University of Illinois at Springfield. Norris L Brookens Library. Archives/ Special Collections. 353rd Fighter Group's 1983 Reunion. Memoir ...

Looked interesting, so I thought I'd share


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This post was from new member Jacob:

With the Old Breed by Eugene B. Sledge is a terrific memoir from an Infantryman's point of view in the Pacific Theater during World War II. Mr. Sledge saw combat throughout the Peleliu and Okinawa campaigns. If you've seen HBO's miniseries The Pacific this book served as one of the main inspirations/stories of that show. Another book is China Marine: An Infantryman's Life after World War II which is Mr. Sledge's experiences as an occupying soldier in China following Japan's surrender. Both are truly amazing reads for any Military History buffs out there.

With the Old Breed At Peleliu and Okinawa by Eugene B. Sledge by Eugene B. Sledge - (no photo)

China Marine An Infantryman's Life after World War II by Eugene B. Sledge by Eugene B. Sledge (no photo)


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The California Historical Group (CHG) is a World War II Living History Association, which is a non-profit educational and historical society. We exist for the sole purpose of remembering and paying tribute to the combat soldier of W.W.II. We do this but preserving period artifacts, vehicles and researching their use, origins.

Our club events consist of member staged battle reenactments and public displays, in effort to better educate the general public as well as ourselves on the daily rigors of the common soldier in W.W.II.

The CHG is a non political organization and does not seek to influence the government or disseminate political propaganda of any kind. Membership is open to anyone with a strong interest in W.W.II history, and is not restricted on the basis of race, sex, religious preference, or handicap.

If you're a student of World War II with an interest in military history, tactics, events, vehicles, weaponry, people, and the era in general; make contact with one of our member units, and make plans to come out to an event, and experience a glimpse of World War II History first hand. You can do this by clicking Join, you can also jump on our Message Board, and fire off a quick question you may have as well. The California Historical Group has over 500 members, from a variety of backgrounds and ages. We have both male and female members who all share a common interest in history.

http://www.chgww2.net/




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Here is a site which has a tremendous collection of World War II photographs on the internet,

It is called World War II in color.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/rating/3.5?...



German armoured division advancing, probably in France, 1940.


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Bryan Craig The Avalon Project: World War II Documents:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_me...


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Jill Hutchinson (bucs1960) This site in the UK is a wonderful resource for specifics of WWII...battles, records,etc.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/re...


message 37: by Bentley, Group Founder, Leader, Chief (last edited Jan 18, 2015 02:26PM) (new)

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If you are in the UK or have a VPN connection:

Here is a link worth listening to. It is called School Radio and has links to old audio about a lot of things - this is audio when the London was evacuating its school children during World War II.

In the first four days of September 1939 nearly 3,000,000 people were evacuated in Britain.

They moved from the towns and cities to safer places in the countryside.
The vast majority of these were schoolchildren, but they were accompanied by 100,000 teachers and sometimes a parent.

In scenes repeated all over the country, children marched as a school to the train station wearing identity labels and carrying their gas masks and a few personal possessions.

For most it was the start of a long day that would eventually conclude with their selection by a 'host family' in the 'reception area' - their new homes.

Link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/learning/schoolr...

Transcript:

The evacuation of British children is going on smoothly and efficiently.

The Ministry of Health says that great progress has been made with the first part of the government's arrangements. The railways, the road transport organisations, the local authorities and teachers, the voluntary workers and, not least, the householders in the reception areas, are all playing their part splendidly.

We're on Number 12 platform at Waterloo Station, one of the ten big metropolitan stations that are engaged today on the evacuation of London's schoolchildren. We're on Number 12 platform, the train's in and the children are just arriving...coming along in their school groups...with a banner in front saying what school they are...the tiny tots in front, leading up to the bigger ones, the 12/13 year olds behind...and here comes a high school, more like 14, 15 and 16...they're being evacuated too.


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Britain Declares War on Germany
'This country is at war with Germany' announces the Prime Minister.


Listen to the Prime Minister and other announcements:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/ww2outbr...

FIRST BROADCAST | 03 September 1939
DURATION | 12 minutes 38 seconds

SYNOPSIS:
At 11.15am, the news that the country is at war is communicated to the population of the United Kingdom. Chamberlain's famous words are followed by government announcements warning that air raids are expected to follow quickly.

Note: there is a gap in this recording between Chamberlain's announcement and the follow up announcement read by Alvar Lidell. And there are other announcements that follow with gaps in between.

DID YOU KNOW?
In the preceding months, Chamberlain and the government had planned to shut down BBC broadcasts in the event of hostilities, believing they were unnecessary during wartime. However, their value in providing information and boosting morale soon became obvious.

CONTRIBUTORS
Bruce BelfragePresenter
Alvar LidellPresenter
Neville ChamberlainContributor

Note: Quite unsettling. Audio good.


message 39: by Jill (last edited Mar 28, 2015 10:17AM) (new)

Jill Hutchinson (bucs1960) Please visit this link, which was created by noted historian Laurence Rees. It has some amazing audio and video presentations that you may not have seen elsewhere.

http://ww2history.com/

Laurence Rees Laurence Rees


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Diary of Soviet Ambassador to London Rewrites History of World War II
41,11821


Gabriel Gorodetsky—The Conversation
Filed to: HISTORY
9/10/15 6:45am

Revealing:

http://io9.com/diary-of-soviet-ambass...

The Maisky Diaries Red Ambassador to the Court of St James's, 1932-1943 by Gabriel Gorodetsky by Gabriel Gorodetsky (no photo)


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Bentley wrote: "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-194

http://books.google.com/books?id=xTKv......"


Related and counterpoint:

by Charles Callan Tansill


Link: Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy 1933-1941
https://mises.org/library/back-door-w...


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Samanta   (almacubana) Pelagius, when mentioning a book, please make a citation of it, according to the rules of the group. Your citations should look like this:

Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945 by Robert Dallek by Robert Dallek Robert Dallek

Back Door to War, The Roosevelt Foreign Policy, 1933 - 1941 by Charles Callan Tansill by Charles Callan Tansill (no photo)


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Samanta wrote: "Pelagius, when mentioning a book, please make a citation of it, according to the rules of the group. Your citations should look like this:

[bookcover:Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Pol..."


Thank you very much, I wrote this comment before I was aware that html could be used here. I will correct it.


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Teri (teriboop) United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
Website

https://www.ushmm.org/

About the museum:

A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum inspires citizens and leaders worldwide to confront hatred, prevent genocide, and promote human dignity. Federal support guarantees the Museum’s permanent place on the National Mall, and its far-reaching educational programs and global impact are made possible by generous donors.

Located among our national monuments to freedom on the National Mall, the Museum provides a powerful lesson in the fragility of freedom, the myth of progress, and the need for vigilance in preserving democratic values. With unique power and authenticity, the Museum teaches millions of people each year about the dangers of unchecked hatred and the need to prevent genocide. And we encourage them to act, cultivating a sense of moral responsibility among our citizens so that they will respond to the monumental challenges that confront our world.

Today we face an alarming rise in Holocaust denial and antisemitism—even in the very lands where the Holocaust happened—as well as genocide and threats of genocide in other parts of the world. This is occurring just as we approach a time when Holocaust survivors and other eyewitnesses will no longer be alive.

The Museum works closely with many key segments of society who will affect the future of our nation. By studying the choices made by individuals and institutions during the Holocaust, professionals from the fields of law enforcement, the judiciary, and the military, as well as diplomacy, medicine, education, and religion, gain fresh insight into their own responsibilities today.

In addition to our leadership training programs, the Museum sponsors onsite and traveling exhibitions, educational outreach, and Holocaust commemorations, including the nation’s annual observance of the Days of Remembrance in the US Capitol. Our Jack, Joseph and Morton Mandel Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies fosters the continued growth and vitality of the field of Holocaust studies. Our Center for the Prevention of Genocide works to educate, engage, and inspire the public to learn more about past genocides—such as those in Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur—and to consider what they can do to prevent these atrocities in the future. The Center for the Prevention of Genocide also works to galvanize policy makers both in the US and around the world to create the tools and structures needed to avert the next crisis.

Since its dedication in 1993, the Museum has welcomed more than 38 million visitors, including 96 heads of state and more than ten million school-age children. Our website, the world’s leading online authority on the Holocaust, is available in 15 languages and was visited in 2014 by more than 9 million people representing 236 countries and territories.


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Betsy This museum is sobering and thought-provoking. It is not to be missed while visiting D.C.


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Teri (teriboop) Betsy wrote: "This museum is sobering and thought-provoking. It is not to be missed while visiting D.C."

We tried to go on my last visit there but didn't make it. It's on my list for a future trip!


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Museum of the Second World War / Studio Architektoniczne Kwadrat



Overview of Museum in Poland:

https://www.archdaily.com/872450/muse...


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