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The sad truth of Gale killing Primrose. Intentionally or a horrible mistake.
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Gale created a bomb that's focus was to draw in more people... people to aid the wounded which most times are medics, civillians, etc. The reason Gale and Katniss fought frequently was due to their differences regarding their morals. Katniss killed only when she absolutely had to and felt guilt and remorse even for those who may have deserved to die. Gale on the other hand was much more ruthless and angry and was much more vengeful. With that being said, I don't think Gale intentionally harmed Prim but he was definately indirectly responsible although it is slight. But given their history and the fact that she was repulsed by the thought of this bomb he was helping create due to the fact that it would kill people trying to help others... it was easy for her to make this connection. I do agree with a previous post that it was the author's way to get Gale out of the picture easily so that she could be with Peeta. I actually liked Gale, maybe because he seemed like the bad boy and Peeta seemed too goody-goody in comparison. I also never saw her really attracted to Peeta like she was with Gale but really it was kinda muttled. Not sure how she felt about either of them and still wasn't even convinced at the end that she truly loved Peeta.
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I dont think gale intended on killing prim and i didnt particularly care when she died :/ and i hate peeta. Ik this makws me sound cruel but i dont like peeta at all
Gale created the bomb to be used on the enemy, not his people. He had no intention of killing Prim, and he couldn't have known it was going to happen.
Gale killing Prim was a COMPLETE accident. Although I do think killing the Capital children was wrong, if they didn't kill them, The whole Hunger Games thing could have happened later on. Gale was on a mission that was given to him. How'd he know Prim was going to be there. Complete Accident i say.
even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if the were the children of the capitol, killing them was wrong, even if it did end the rebellion, so wither he killed prim or not, wither he just made the bomb or set it off, there is no way he is not guilty of a terrible thing
Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if the were the children of the capitol, killing them was wrong, even if..."
How is he guilty of a terrible thing if he didn't do it?
In the real world people make guns, bombs, grenades, etc.. with the sole purpose of killing people. Do we say they're guilty? No we don't. What about the soldiers that use these weapons to kill, do we say they're guilty? No we honor them and call them heroes
In a way he was responsible for Prim's death but only because he helped come up with the weapon. Its not his fault though that it was used on all thoose kids. It's also not his fault that Prim was put out on front lines as a doctor. So technically even though he created the weapon he didn't create it for that. That means it's an acident on his part. But it isn't a coincedence that Prim ended up dead thats President Coin's fault.
I keep wondering how intentional the bomb at the end was. The first time I read it, I thought that Gale and Beetee had merely created it and it was Coin and Plutarch that decided how to use it. But in my second reading, Katniss' exchange in the weapons room with Gale and Beetee seems a lot more significant: Katniss questions if the designs are crossing some sort of line. Beetee has a look of doubt on his face, which I now see could have been doubt over the morality of his own designs. And Gale responds, "Beetee and I have been following the same rule book President Snow used when he hijacked Peeta." Snow had turned something safe into a weapon... which tells me they were cogniscent of how the bombs would be used, even if indirectly.
Could Gale have known more though? Gale is the kind of guy that would sacrifice lives for the greater good, so it is not impossible that he could have known the intention of the bombs but highly unlikely since he looks out for Katniss' family.
Then what makes me doubt his ignorance, is that after Prim's death he disappears to D2. Surely he would want to check on Katniss and maybe her mother during their time of need, right? I can't think of a reason he would stay away unless he felt responsible for Prim's death. Even if it was indirectly.
Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if the were the children of the capitol, killing them was w..."
i have never called soldiers hero's, and it was innocent people as welll, im not one to watch the news alot, so i have no idea if half the time soldiers are really killing the bad people or not
however what i do know, is this,the children that will killed in the bomb, the med team, they were not the bad people here.
Book wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if the were the children of the capitol, kil..."
So where in the book does it say that Gale dropped the bomb and killed the med team? It doesn't. Gale is not guilty of anything. He is just the inventor, he can not be held accountable for the actions of another
Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if the were the children of the..."
No he didn't directly set the bomb off, but he created it. He designed a weapon that functions by playing on people's compassion. He was a party to a horrible murder so though he is not solely responsible, how can he not feel guilty?
Even if he could manage to wash his hands of any responsibility for being the creator of something that killed innocents, he crossed a line by acting on hatred/anger to come up with fantastically creative killing devices.
Gale wasn't responsible he just brought up the idea. President Coin was responsible because Prim was a minor she needed permission to go help. Coin knew that they were going to bomb the capital so she let Prim go.It's really sad but that just the way it is:(
Nicky wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if the were the ..."
He should and probably did feel guilty for creating it but he was not responsible for the deaths. That's the discussion here. He didn't kill Prim, he wasn't responsible for all those deaths.
I don't think that Gale killed Prim. He did design the bomb that killed her but I don't think that he personally killed her and knew she was going to be there at the battle. He may not have even known what that bomb was going to be used for, or that it was going to be used. And Prim wasn't supposed to be out there anyway. It was Coin's way of breaking Katniss because, let's face it, Katniss never liked Coin or really, morally supported her. Gale 1)Probably didn't order them to be used. 2) Did not approve Prim going out onto the battlefield. 3)Didn't know Prim was going to be there. 4) And, may have in fact not even known that they were going to be used for that purpose or in that way.
Overall, Gale is definitely not responsible and Coin is 99.9% responsible.
Overall, Gale is definitely not responsible and Coin is 99.9% responsible.
Yeah Coin orchestrated the entire killing of Prim (not Gale). She knew how the bombd worked and sent Prim out to die in order to get at Katniss. Ha, the joke was on her!
Robert wrote: "Except the time that he killed her."lol
Daniel wrote: "Nicky wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit dosen't matter if..."
But he is responsible. That is the over all message of the book. That no matter what side you are on or what your intentions are, if you are not advocating peace you are a part of the problem. End of story.
Nicky wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Nicky wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit do..."
How do you come to that conclusion?
Gale hates the capital and like the common people involved in a genocide, he thinks that he will get away with using whatever tactics he wants. He knows that many will be killed....and he wants all the people from the capital to be punished for the cruel way they take children and kill them in the hunger games.When the idea ends up killing his own people, including Prim, I think that he understands how awful the idea was. He knows that Katniss will hold him responsible despite Coin deciding how to use the idea. I think that he ultimately believes that he killed her as well. That is why he takes himself away from Katniss.
Nicky wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Nicky wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "Daniel wrote: "Book wrote: "even if gale didn't know the bomb would kill prim, he probaly knew it was going to be used to KILL PEOPLEit do..."
That means everyone is part of the problem.
Margarita wrote: "He killed Primrose. That is all there is to it. He might have had gotten orders to do it, but if he truly loved Katniss the way he said he did, he wouldn't have done it. In the end of the book, to ..."Margarita wrote: "He killed Primrose. That is all there is to it. He might have had gotten orders to do it, but if he truly loved Katniss the way he said he did, he wouldn't have done it. In the end of the book, to ..."
No. He didn't. If you truly read the book, you would know that President Coin was an evil, self-righteous woman. She never told Gale what the bombs were being used for. He just thought they would benefit the war. Even if you didn't know that, do you really think Gale would do that on purpose?
Gal designed the bomb and he knew what it would do but i don't think he knew prim was going to be there. He wouldn't have done that to prim if he knew but it WAS still his fault she died
Just because Gale created the bomb doesn't mean he killed Prim.
-_- ofcourse he did n't intend to. It was a horrible mistake. But the fact that he was willing to kill of others kids like prim, or his own siblings, is pretty horrible.
I love Gale, and I never liked Peeta, so I just think it wasn't his fault.
Violet wrote: "-_- ofcourse he did n't intend to. It was a horrible mistake. But the fact that he was willing to kill of others kids like prim, or his own siblings, is pretty horrible."Where in the book does it say this?
I definitely think Gale's actions (meaning his creation) was responsible for Prim's death. But this in no way means that he did anything intentional, and I totally believe he felt awful. But I can understand Katniss not being able to forget it or let it go. I think a lot of people would find it hard to be with someone that was somehow responsible for a loved ones death, even if it was an accident or unintentional. I Think it would be extremely hard.
um i have a question where the heck in mockingjay did it say " gale had killed prim." beacuse i never ever saw it . i might have missed it but why would he do that in the 1st place?! i don't think that would be the one person in that entire trilogy to kill primrose. if there is a line in mockingjay like that someone post the page # and the paragraph it's in i want to see it.
I honestly think he got pretty ruthless throughout the rebellion. He didn't think of prim as prim he thought one loss hundreds of wins.
Makenzi wrote: "I honestly think he got pretty ruthless throughout the rebellion. He didn't think of prim as prim he thought one loss hundreds of wins."Then you obviously didn't read the book
Robert wrote: "He proposed a tactic that we condemn as terrorism. He didn't intentionally get Prim killed, but he has his share of responsibility. If he dreamed up the idea of using parachutes because children wo..."What? Since when is dropping bombs during a time of war considered terrorism?
Kim wrote: "Gale created a bomb that's focus was to draw in more people... people to aid the wounded which most times are medics, civillians, etc. The reason Gale and Katniss fought frequently was due to their..."Actually, during actual combat, it other soldiers that go in first. In combat, there would not be any civillians around. Sure, there usually a medic in combat but that medic is stilla soldier.
If you remember, it was actually The Capitol that used it the way you are describing against the districts and the rebels. But the Capitol have an army, so there is no reason it would work the same way if the rebels used it. The Capitols army would have had their own medics. The people in the districts would not have been rushing to save The Capitols soldiers.
Daniel wrote: "Makenzi wrote: "I honestly think he got pretty ruthless throughout the rebellion. He didn't think of prim as prim he thought one loss hundreds of wins."Then you obviously didn't read the book"
Exactly. When 13 was bombed, Katniss got cutoff from Prim. It was Gale that went and got her. We have every reason to believe that Gale loved Prim as his own sister.
Kathy wrote: "I definitely think Gale's actions (meaning his creation) was responsible for Prim's death. But this in no way means that he did anything intentional, and I totally believe he felt awful. But I ca..."If Gale wouldn't have come up with that design, do you not think Coin would have figured out another way to do the same thing.
If I remember correctly, it wasn't Gale that came up with the idea. Didn't The Capitol use it against District 8 first. Gale basically had intended on taking a tactic the Capitol use and turn it against their own soldiers.To hold Gale responsible for Prims death is ludicrous. And the fact that Katniss does just shows how Ms Collins failed Katniss and readers. Only the die hard Peeta fans/Gale haters feel that Gale should be help responsible. If her readers don't even but that Gale was responsible, then why should we buy the Katniss would feel he is? It was a sloppy and heavy-handed plot device that Collins used. Why didn't her editors call he out on it is beyond me. Catching this kind of nonsense is what editors are for.
Can there be a more blatant instance on Goodreads of a stupid, unnecessary spoiler which could ruin the book for every new reader?195 replies and the title remains unchanged? D'oh!
In fact, Gale has NOTHING to do with Prim´s death at all. He contributed to the WAR, as best as he could. He created one of the deadliest weapons possible, which was supposed to win the war. Condemning Gale of killing Prim is the same as condemning Kalaschnikov for killing tens of thousands of people in the Near East. Woot? He still loved Katniss and Prim.War is cruel, my friends. War has no rules. It was not him who gave orders to drop parachute bombs. His hands are completely clean. Just Katniss is so dumb, she can´t understand. I find it WAY MORE cruel, that Katniss voted for new Hunger games for Capitol children. THAT was reeeaaally a bad decision.
I don't think he did it completely directly, but he definitely did it out of anger because he knew there was a chance she would've died.
Me and my friend have this fight all the time (I think that's cuz she's team Peeta and I'm team Gale but whatever.Gale did not kill Prim. He wouldn't do that knowingly to Katniss. He may have made the bomb and may have launched it but he didn't realise that his own people would be amongst the capitol children. Frankly I had to re-read he ending and there were so many plot holes that it was unbelievable (Why was Prim even there anyway? Ugh!)But yeah, it wasn't Gale.
You guys are dumb. I know some of you are just saying Gale killed Prim because you are all "Team Peeta" and hate Gale. Well I like them both. Gale did everything he could for Katniss. He saved Prims life during the bombing of district thirteen. He saved Peeta. He always wanted Katniss happy. All Gale wanted to do was end the terrible treatment they were getting from the capitol. So he made the bombs, and you all say he's a terrible person. Then Peeta must be horrible too, because he killed Mitchell. Gale definitely did not set out to drop a bomb on Prim. He knew that Katniss loved Prim more than anything. He would never intentionally make Katniss unhappy. So everyone stop saying Gale killed Prim, HE DIDN'T.
I think that the bombing was fully intentional. Gale knew what he was going to do, that there were going to be a lot of deaths, even children, I don't think, however, the he intended to kill Prim. I doubt that he knew she was down there, and he probably wouldn't have dropped the bombs if he did.Though I am team Peeta all the way, I can't blame Gale for something he didn't do. He cared about Prim, maybe even more than he cared about the rebellion and freeing Panem, I'm not sure. He isn't a cold blooded killer, and wouldn't have dropped the bombs without good reason (which he had). Though it is easy to blame Gale for her death, I think it was an accident.
i thought it was snow who put the bomb there and blow everybody to ashes?
The "Gale as a war criminal because he helped design the bomb" component of this discussion is preposterous.These are the facts:
1) An exploitative regime has taken away the basic civil rights of the people and treats them as slaves for the social elite.
2) They must revolt- as people have done since the dawn of time
3) This revolt required conflict with an ARMED "peacekeeper" force.
4) To face this ARMED force requires weaponry, without which there is no resistance, only slaughter... Everyone return to your coal mine, do not pass go, starve, serve, and send your children to the reaping each year.
Call we all agree the revolt against the capitol had to happen? Can we agree weapons were required and must be created for this to happen?
Gale's idea of attacking a force, then a second delayed attack at first responders has absolutely NOTHING to do with a propaganda scheme to blow up children with bombs disguised as "goodies" dropped from the sky by the "ememy" you want to discredit. Its not even close.
Dropping the bomb IS a war crime.
Gale helped armed the resistance in order to overthrow a corrupt and violent government. It had to be done.
He can not be blamed ONE bit for the people in power who took that goal of necessary revolution and corrupted it into a genocidal propaganda scheme aimed at children of the capitol. Its absurd.
BTW- is there a way to change the title of this thread? Its a HUGE spoiler and it will appear at the bottom of the book's main page in the discussion topics list-
there are going to be real people who want to drop a bomb on the person who wrote that discussion title, lol..
I'm sure if you changed it to something like "is Gale responsible for the bombs at the end" everyone who read the book would know what you meant without the spoiler of prims death...
200 messages and no one sees the spoiler in the title of the thread; much less forces the OP to correct it. Spoiling a key plot point for everyone else on Goodreads.Friggin' blockheads. If it was a thread of just five replies I probably wouldn't say anything. But 200 posts? Do you not grasp the concept of what a spoiler is?
I'm not the only one who thinks Gale killed Prim awesome sauce.Of course he did it on purpose or he had orders, he was mad at Katniss and wanted to get back at her. And my proof look at the ending he is in district 2 with another girl and he made the weapon. (even if he didn't release the bomb because it was his design he killed her by involvement
Coin killed Prim. She may have used a weapon Gale developed, but her ultimate aim was to destroy Katniss in whatever way she could. She knew what she was doing, and Katniss knew what she was doing when she sent that arrow through Coin's head.Gale is an accident of war. He designed the thing. He could never undesign it. Even though it was used in a way the he never intended, he and Katniss would always have that bomb between them.
Both.Killing Prim, not intentional.
Killing medics, intentional. That's what Gale's bomb was designed to do - to kill the 'Prims'.
From Gale's history, he would have found the deaths of the rebel medics to be acceptable. Just as he was with the death of rebels, or rebel sympathizers in the Nut.
That question is actually getting into much deeper territory that, to be honest, I don't particularly want to enter. It's like asking if the inventor of the AK-47 is responsible for every person who is killed as a result of it's use. Legally, philosophically, tricky. Also there's the fact that, intentionally, we never truly know if that was Gale's bomb - or even Coin's - that killed the children. Katniss' theory sounds very likely. But it is never confirmed, and I think that's the way it's meant to be. We, like Katniss, are meant to be kept guessing. And wondering if it is possible to forgive someone who could have killed your sister - never knowing the truth. In Katniss' case, it wasn't.
So. There's really know way of knowing. It's up to the reader to choose. What seems certain is that Gale did not know of the plan to trigger the bombs on the herded children. Firstly, he denied any knowledge of it, and secondly he was on the ground in the lead up and at the time. They were in a war, and it was chaos. He also wasn't that essential to Coin's planning - and much to close to Katniss - to know, most likely. So it seems that even if Coin did order the bombs - which is likely - she would've kept that knowledge close, and especially the order which had Prim on the field. She wouldn't want her early rule tainted by rumours of having intentions to kill a child. So that pretty much rules out Gale's direct involvement with the bombs.
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