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[Chin Joo]

Thank you for this.

[Laurel]

Members, thought I would let you know that this wonderful story was part of CTV's national news broadcast tonight at 11 pm.

It also featured a special segment on the Korean War, what is often thought of as the forgotten war here. 26, 000 Canadians served in Korea.

I think it is important to mention that crowds for our national Remembrance Day Ceremonies at the National War Memorial in Ottawa, are greatly increasing every year. Ceremonies were held across the country, and in schools. There was even a flight by one of the two remaining, functional Lancaster bombers, flying out of the Canadian Warfare Heritage Museum in Hamilton, Ontario.

Canadians remember.

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

That's a good story Laurel, glad to hear more people are taking part in the remembrance of those who have served their country.

[Laurel]

Geevee, this story was part of the eleven o'clock National news on the CTV network, which is a coast to coast broadcast. Thought you would like to know. The story has obviously touched a lot of people.

[happy]

It's even making the blogs based here in the USA

From Hot Air

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/11...

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Laurel wrote: "Geevee, this story was part of the eleven o'clock National news on the CTV network, which is a coast to coast broadcast. Thought you would like to know. The story has obviously touched a lot of peo..."

Isn't that amazing Laurel. Also the Korean War here is also seen by veterans as the forgotten conflict. We shall see a new national memorial to the 1000 British dead and to those 82,000 UK troops who took part unveiled on the Embankment (next to the Thames) in London later in 2014.

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

happy wrote: "It's even making the blogs based here in the USA

From Hot Air

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/11..."

Happy thanks for this as there were photos I had not seen. It is a lovely story and one that shows that people today do value the service given by a frail old man who passed quietly away in his nineties, and that the instigator was a young lad who lost both legs in Afghanistan using Twitter and asking any service personnel who could to attend.

[carl]

happy wrote: "It's even making the blogs based here in the USA
"

i'm in a discussion group for classic cars.
the story just made it there!

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Great stuff - if it gets others to follow elsewhere and help veterans with no relations or friends get a good send off then that would be superb.

[Lilo]

Thank you, Geevee. Veterans can never be honored enough.

[Manray9]

I stumbled across this article which contains a treasure trove of links to online digitized books -- almost all free. Group members may find it useful.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/11/11-lit...

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

Thanks for the link Manray9, I'm sure it will be quite useful for a few of the members here :)

[Manray9]

For Americans today marks a noteworthy date in our history. November 19th, 2013 is the sesquicentennial of Abraham Lincoln’s dedicatory address at Gettysburg Cemetery. Perhaps it is arguable, but I believe it was the finest speech ever spoken by an American. At about two minutes, Lincoln’s address proved you don’t have to speak long to speak well. Although not directly connected to WW II, the principles about which Lincoln spoke 150 years ago today are the very same for which we and some of our allies fought from 1941-1945. I recommend:

Lincoln at Gettysburg: The Words That Remade America by Garry Wills.

Interesting link to a site about Lincoln's address:

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/l...

[Betty]

Manray9 wrote: "For Americans today marks a noteworthy date in our history. November 19th, 2013 is the sesquicentennial of Abraham Lincoln’s dedicatory address at Gettysburg Cemetery. Perhaps it is arguable, but..."

I agree, Manray. I love Lincoln!

[Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces]

Why study war? http://www.hoover.org/publications/de...

[Manray9]

Mike wrote: "Why study war? http://www.hoover.org/publications/de..."

Thanks Mike. This is a thoughtful article, although much of its thrust is of the school that led the U.S. to blunder meaninglessly into a war in Iraq. I question:

"The lesson we should learn from this sorry history is that preemptive war is a necessity when facing a determined aggressor, and that the time and place of a potential conflict, and the capacity to wage war until its successful conclusion, must be carefully considered and prepared for when making treaty commitments and pledging the nation’s blood and treasure. This means that often a nation cannot merely wait to react to aggression, but must anticipate where the blow will fall."

There may be some reasonable argument here, but this view opens a Pandora's Box and, like our invasion of Iraq, flies in the face of much of the history of our Republic and those principles in which we profess to believe. Thornton, like Victor Davis Hanson, is a prominent scholar who has allowed his rightist (NeoCon) political views to shape his work to a significant degree. At what point does one move from scholar to polemicist? I consider his association with the Heritage Foundation, Hoover, the Washington Times and other rightist political media and organizations to sully his work as a scholar. He is another belligerent mouthpiece on the American political right who has never served a day in uniform, but strongly urges others to do so and bleed to prove his political points.

[Manray9]

Below is a link to the NY Times' "100 Notable Books of 2013." You will see a few that have been mentioned among our group.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/08/boo...

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

Thanks for the link Manray9, a few books there that I am yet to read!

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Virtual Pilsner lined up on the bar for Manray9, Aussie Rick, Robert and Lilo :)

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

Nice and cold I hope Geevee, I know you guys like to drink your beer warm :)

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Tsk tsk Rick and you having worked in London bars :)

Lager cold (Ice Cold in Alex!) and ale/beer at room temp, cider slightly chilled for me.

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

I do remember the beer being on cold shelves in the pubs but never being really cold enough, but I suppose it was never really that hot in London :)

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Yeah 15C is warm for us whereas that's cold for you back home!

[Lilo]

I changed my mind. Muellerbraeu is good, but Pilsner is better.

Wanna know the temperature here? We have -28 C here, at night. While it is usually much warmer in the daytime, we had -25 C yesterday.

[Manray9]

Geevee wrote: "Tsk tsk Rick and you having worked in London bars :)

Lager cold (Ice Cold in Alex!) and ale/beer at room temp, cider slightly chilled for me."

I must admit a pint of good English bitter can't be beaten.

[Manray9]

Geevee wrote: "Tsk tsk Rick and you having worked in London bars :)

Lager cold (Ice Cold in Alex!) and ale/beer at room temp, cider slightly chilled for me."

I've seen the movie, but not read the book.

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Me too Manray9 only seen the movie, and it became even more interesting for me to watch again on finding out Sir Anthony Quayle has served not just in the RA but with SOE in Albania.

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Lilo wrote: "I changed my mind. Muellerbraeu is good, but Pilsner is better.

Wanna know the temperature here? We have -28 C here, at night. While it is usually much warmer in the daytime, we had -25 C yesterday."

That is a mite chilly :)

[Lilo]

Sure is chilly. (We are 6,200 ft high.)

[Manray9]

Although it has nothing to do with WW II, I found the article linked below of interest. It may be a bit of a stretch to say typhus beat Napoleon, but it's an important aspect of one of history's great campaigns.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_...

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

Thanks for the link to that article Manray9, very interesting reading. I read a very good book on this subject not too long ago:

by Stephan Talty

[happy]

Lilo wrote: "I changed my mind. Muellerbraeu is good, but Pilsner is better.

Wanna know the temperature here? We have -28 C here, at night. While it is usually much warmer in the daytime, we had -25 C yesterday."

Lilo,
Can you believe how cold St. George has been? ( for those who don't know it is a town in the Southwest Corner Utah and last week was the coldest it has been in 76 yrs, 1 degree F, colder than SLC 300 miles to the north and 2500 ft higher)

[happy]

Manray9 wrote: "Although it has nothing to do with WW II, I found the article linked below of interest. It may be a bit of a stretch to say typhus beat Napoleon, but it's an important aspect of one of history's g..."

Nice find Manray.

Suprisingly, I've found the Slate quite often has good articles on military subjects.

[Lilo]

@ Happy:

Wow! I didn't know. I haven't seen any local news or local weather reports lately. I have been busy kindle-formatting my memoir (fiddling with footnotes). And while I am struggling with my old XP, which refuses to SAVE most of the time, my dear sweet husband hasn't had time to "nurse" me on my new Apple because he has been running against time with a water-rights application that the Water Rights Dept. refused to renew yet another time. He was finally lucky to find an engineer who was willing to come today (driving from Richmond to Naples, some 200 miles), in freezing weather, performing the required work on a property that is covered in deep snow.

The next few days, I'll have to study the Apple-system because my XP is about to breathe its last. I wish I wasn't such a computer-dummy.

What are the temperatures where you are?

Btw, we, most likely, won't get to Salt Lake before next May. So it will be a while before we can meet. (We were in Salt Lake last July, but there was no time. We were terribly busy and had to hurry back home.

[happy]

the lows have been in mid single digits (-15 C or so) and the highs in the low 20's (-6 C or so). The inversion has set in and it is warmer up at the ski resorts than here. It also is making air thick enough for one to need a knife and fork to breath :)

Hopefully the storm scheduled for next week comes in and cleans the air and we can breath again

[Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces]

happy wrote: "the lows have been in mid single digits (-15 C or so) and the highs in the low 20's (-6 C or so). The inversion has set in and it is warmer up at the ski resorts than here. It also is making air t..."

Just returned from a week in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Took my sister-in-law's family from Holladay, UT (practically in happy's back yard) down with us. We all were glad to escape the cold for awhile. Back in it now.

[Manray9]

happy wrote: "Manray9 wrote: "Although it has nothing to do with WW II, I found the article linked below of interest. It may be a bit of a stretch to say typhus beat Napoleon, but it's an important aspect of on..."

I found this article via a link from RealClearHistory.com.

[Manray9]

Mike wrote: "happy wrote: "the lows have been in mid single digits (-15 C or so) and the highs in the low 20's (-6 C or so). The inversion has set in and it is warmer up at the ski resorts than here. It also i..."

Apparently the weather if off-kilter in many places. I live in the northwest corner of South Carolina, near the NC border. On Thursday night it went down to 27 degrees (F). Tonight they predict 28 F. That is very unusual here -- 15 to 20 degrees below normal.

[Lilo]

@ Manray9: The weather seems to be off-kilter in many places, indeed. I just heard from a GR friend who lives on the island of Cyprus, in the Mediterranean, that they are freezing there, as well. Their new house has no heating other than an open fireplace, as heating is usually not required there.

[Lilo]

happy wrote: "the lows have been in mid single digits (-15 C or so) and the highs in the low 20's (-6 C or so). The inversion has set in and it is warmer up at the ski resorts than here. It also is making air t..."

I hate inversion. It gives me respiratory trouble.

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

Lilo wrote: "@ Manray9: The weather seems to be off-kilter in many places, indeed. I just heard from a GR friend who lives on the island of Cyprus, in the Mediterranean, that they are freezing there, as well. T..."

I spent just under nine months in Cyprus back in 1995, I was up in the mountains and they had a good snow fall back then.

[Lilo]

And I had thought Cyprus was all mild to hot weather.

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

Pretty warm summers but they can get some decent cold weather in the mountains during winter.

[Colin]

Lilo wrote: "@ Manray9: The weather seems to be off-kilter in many places, indeed. I just heard from a GR friend who lives on the island of Cyprus, in the Mediterranean, that they are freezing there, as well. T..."

I lived in Nicosia, Cyprus for two years. It does get cold indeed.

[Colin]

'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Lilo wrote: "@ Manray9: The weather seems to be off-kilter in many places, indeed. I just heard from a GR friend who lives on the island of Cyprus, in the Mediterranean, that they are freezing ther..."

You must have been in the Troodos Mountains

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

I was indeed Colin in a small village called Linou:

http://www.mytroodos.com/index.php?op...

I spent my first few months in Nicosia and then lived for about four months in this lovely little village.

[Tionne]

So, Rick, it would appear that congratulations are in order regarding the Aussies recapturing the Ashes! Hear they played really well! Enjoy! :-)

['Aussie Rick', Moderator]

They are indeed Tionne but spare a thought for poor old Geevee :)

[Tionne]

I guess I should have added, bad luck, old sport! Maybe next time!

[Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces]

Aye we needed to let them have it as they'd forgotten what they looked like and we'll have them back in 2015 :)