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message 701: by Nooilforpacifists (new)

Nooilforpacifists (nooil4pacifists) | 97 comments manray9, thanks for the NY Times link. I can think of a heck of a lot of other books I'd like to force this President to read; I think he already knows how to party. But rest of article very interesting.


message 702: by Doubledf99.99 (new)

Doubledf99.99 | 626 comments Manray9 wrote: "While only indirectly related to WW II, here is a brief interview from the NY Times with spy novelist, Alan Furst. I was pleased to read, like me, as a boy he read "They Were Expendable," "Guadalc..."

Thanks for link, I fondly remember reading The Hardy Boys and also Tom Swift..


message 703: by Doubledf99.99 (new)

Doubledf99.99 | 626 comments Manray9 wrote: "While only indirectly related to WW II, here is a brief interview from the NY Times with spy novelist, Alan Furst. I was pleased to read, like me, as a boy he read "They Were Expendable," "Guadalc..."

Thanks for the link and also enjoyed his reference to the great Anthony Powell. I fondly remember reading The Hardy Boys and the Tom Swift novels as a very young kid..


message 704: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments Still have my Hardy Boys, Tom Swift and Dave Dawson books. The kids did not read them but I just can't let them go.


message 705: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments I lost my Hardy Boys books along the way. I did not read then all, but a good many -- and then came WW II and the Civil War and the Hardy Boys fell to the wayside.


message 706: by Doubledf99.99 (new)

Doubledf99.99 | 626 comments I think they served their purpose well, they got me hooked on reading at a young age and I have been addicted to books ever since.


message 707: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments Mike wrote: "Still have my Hardy Boys, Tom Swift and Dave Dawson books. The kids did not read them but I just can't let them go."

I've not heard of Dave Dawson.


message 708: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments I never ready any of the Hardy Boys, or any Tom Swift and/or Dave Dawson.

By the time others were starting on those I was reading American Naval History and starting to move into histories of the German Army and it's officers that were a tad to biased, looking back on it now. I didn't start reading Fantasy/Sci-Fi, until my sophmore year in High School when I was looking for a new military history book to read (either ACW or WWII) when I came across a book that I had never seen before. It was titled...'On the War of the Ring, Vol 1' I had never heard of the war of the Ring, so I figured it must be some crazy Brit name...along the lines of the War of the Roses...one of the many British Civil wars. So I pulled it down and gave it a read. Imagine my surprise to find out it was actually 'The Fellowship of the Ring.' Since I had seen the old Rakin/Bass version of the Hobbit figured I would give it a go. Should have put it back then I would be buying fewer books than I am now. LOL.


message 709: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments Dave Dawson had an impact on my choice of a flying career:

https://www.goodreads.com/series/5447...


message 710: by happy (last edited Jun 01, 2014 03:08AM) (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Mike wrote: "Still have my Hardy Boys, Tom Swift and Dave Dawson books. The kids did not read them but I just can't let them go."

I collect old Stratemeyer children's books,The Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew, Tom Swift, The Bobbsey Twins etc but only if they were published before 1940. Starting in the 40's they rewrote them and modernized them.

The exception to that rule are the Tom Swift Jr. books that I read as a lad - I have a complete set, all 72 or however many there are :)

According the Librarian wife, the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew books are still being checked out


message 711: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Mike wrote: "Dave Dawson had an impact on my choice of a flying career:

https://www.goodreads.com/series/5447..."


Mike (and gents) I have not read any of the Dave Dawson series in fact I hadn't heard of them until these posts, so thank you. Fascinating to think it influenced your career on fast jets and I would think (having just looked at the author's details) he would have been delighted to know that.


message 712: by James (new)

James | 105 comments Well it looks like I'm about to enter a new phase! A kindle may be on its way for my 30th. Initially I was sceptical on kindle, I love the feeling of picking up a book and flicking through the pages, and I do admire my bookshelf. However I think its time to modernise but I do want the best of both worlds. The agreement I have reach with my long suffering spouse is that the kindle can be utilised for novels and general history books. But for my main passion, military history, I will still purchase proper books and continue to watch my collection grow, albeit at a slightly slower rate. Compromise..... tick!


message 713: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (last edited Jun 02, 2014 02:19PM) (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Just like telephones and motorcars it'll never catch on!

In 1879 Mr. William Preece (later Sir William Preece) of the Post Office Engineering staff, when asked whether the telephone would be an instrument of the future which would be largely taken up by the public, replied “I think not”. Questioned further he said “I fancy the descriptions we get of its use in America are a little exaggerated; but there are conditions in America which necessitate the use of instruments of this kind more than here. Here we have a superabundance of messengers, errand boys, and things of that kind.”


message 714: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Great story Geevee :)


message 715: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments James wrote: "Well it looks like I'm about to enter a new phase! A kindle may be on its way for my 30th. Initially I was sceptical on kindle, I love the feeling of picking up a book and flicking through the page..."

Happy Kindling James :)

The one good thing about e-books is the large number of out of print and hard to get books that you can access for free. I've picked up some great Napoleonic titles on my wife's iPad but I actually haven't read a book on a e-reader device yet.


message 716: by Doubledf99.99 (new)

Doubledf99.99 | 626 comments James wrote: "Well it looks like I'm about to enter a new phase! A kindle may be on its way for my 30th. Initially I was sceptical on kindle, I love the feeling of picking up a book and flicking through the page..."

James after you get used to reading on it you'll enjoy it, been reading on an iPad mini for over a year, and just picked up a Kindle 8.9 recently, I've noticed my purchases online have gone up Ten fold, and just love reading on the Kindle, And I still by books. Just stick with it and it will grow one you..


message 717: by Nick (new)

Nick | 97 comments James wrote: "Well it looks like I'm about to enter a new phase! A kindle may be on its way for my 30th. Initially I was sceptical on kindle, I love the feeling of picking up a book and flicking through the page..."

I've had a Kindle for several years, now, and it has a number of advantages (especially if you commute). But there is one drawback. When you are reading non-fiction (is there any other kind ?), maps and photos do not reproduce well on the Kindle.

Many books suffer from bad or inadequate maps. On the Kindle, these are aggravataed by the fact that (a) the maps are small and often unreadable; and (b), unlike a book, where you can place a bookmark on the page with the appropriate map, navigating back and forth, from text to map and back, is not convenient on the Kindle.

As a result, my Kindle primarily holds fiction and non-fiction that does not require maps.


message 718: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Good point Nick and for those military campaign histories we all read maps are crucial eh!


message 719: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Good point Nick and for those military campaign histories we all read maps are crucial eh!"

I think good maps are critical to any battle or campaign history. I think there has been a distinct fall-off in map quality in many books over the past 20 years or so.


message 720: by James (last edited Jun 03, 2014 01:57PM) (new)

James | 105 comments I agree Manray9. Recently I read The Road to Stalingrad by John Erickson. Whilst the information was very in depth, and the book was well written, their were no maps whatsoever which was both a suprise and disappointment, it detracted greatly from an otherwise brilliant work. Maybe maps were included when the book was first published in the early 80s?


message 721: by Manray9 (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments James wrote: "I agree Manray9. Recently I read The Road to Stalingrad by John Erickson. Whilst the information was very in depth, and the book was well written, their were no maps w..."

I suspect publishers of cutting costs by reducing the number and quality of maps. Try reading any decent Civil War battle or campaign book without satisfactory maps!


message 722: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments James wrote: "I agree Manray9. Recently I read The Road to Stalingrad by John Erickson. Whilst the information was very in depth, and the book was well written, their were no maps w..."

A fine book James and I own a first edition which has great maps - the points on maps etc for non-fiction is why I don't use one and stick with light (weight) paperbacks for commuting.


message 723: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments The West Point Military History Series has some really good Map books for the ACW and WWII.

Wpaw World War II Pacific by West Point Atlas of War

Here is the one for the Pacific WWII.


message 724: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments I have both volumes of John Erickson's Eastern Front books. I am unsure if this is correct across the board but the first volume is a US edition - no maps, the second volume is a UK edition - maps.

The Road to Stalingrad by John Erickson and The Road to Berlin Stalin's war with Germany, Vol 2 by John Erickson by John Erickson


message 725: by Nick (new)

Nick | 97 comments I suspect publishers of cutting costs by reducing the number and quality of maps. Try reading any decent Civil War battle or campaign book without satisfactory maps!

As I understand it, most of the publishers (and authors, too) farm out the map work, which is why there is often a mismatch between the quality of the text and the maps (where maps are provided)


message 726: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (last edited Jun 04, 2014 10:49AM) (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Can't beat official histories when it comes to maps :)

...and the poor comedian in me would say and in an atlas!


message 727: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments In the original Official US Army History of WWII there were some very fine maps, but in general the reprints lacked them. However the PDF copies that the Military History Command lets you download the maps are there again and in the PDF format you can magnify the image to get more detail to a point.



Geevee wrote: "Can't beat official histories when it comes to maps :)

...and the poor comedian in me would say and in an atlas!"



message 728: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments I've gathered a good collection of first editions for the US, UK, Australia, Canada, NZ, Sth Africa and Indian OHs and all have fine quality maps. I have some modern reprint of some regimental histories and they are underwhelming map wise.


message 729: by James (new)

James | 105 comments Alas, from what I've seen recently in some cases, there does seem to be a decline in good maps. Hopefully it is not a trend. I agree about the official history maps, I recently acuired the complete set of the Australian Army in WW2 OH and the detail in both maps and print is first rate. You can't beat the OH for raw data, you just have to sift a bit through the bias and arse covering ;)


message 730: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments The best OHs for readability for me are the NZ and South African ones James.


message 731: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments I'm off to Sydney for the weekend so I may be a little quiet in the threads till Monday however I am taking the wife's iPad so I can keep an eye on you all :)


message 732: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Time to raid the wine celler/library again ;)


message 733: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Nope, I've left behind a savage guard dog in the back yard (6 month old dachshund - the 'Kaiser' mutt) and inside a ferocious attack cat guarding the library (12 month English short hair).


message 734: by Manray9 (last edited Jun 05, 2014 02:15PM) (new)

Manray9 | 4800 comments 'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Nope, I've left behind a savage guard dog in the back yard (6 month old dachshund - the 'Kaiser' mutt) and inside a ferocious attack cat guarding the library (12 month English short hair)."

Don't underestimate the fight in a Wiener dog. I grew up with one and he was willing to take on all comers.


message 735: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments True Manray9, and this dog knows he has to protect the wine cellar and the library of his master regardless of the odds!


message 736: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Well that will give me a chance to puruse the Library again. Wish I had invested in that hand held scanner.




'Aussie Rick' wrote: "I'm off to Sydney for the weekend so I may be a little quiet in the threads till Monday however I am taking the wife's iPad so I can keep an eye on you all :)"


message 737: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Haha Dj :)


message 738: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Well since it isn't a lending library, have to do what I can. LOL.


'Aussie Rick' wrote: "Haha Dj :)"


message 739: by Kenneth (new)

Kenneth Marsden (BillyRuffian) I've posted up a few pics in the 'photos' section if anybody would like a look. I just put a few up, didn't want to clog it up.


message 740: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Great photos - thnx

I really, really need to get back to England ;)


message 741: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments Kenneth wrote: "I've posted up a few pics in the 'photos' section if anybody would like a look. I just put a few up, didn't want to clog it up."

Nice pics!


message 742: by carl (new)

carl  theaker | 1560 comments where they at ? i looked in photos, but must not be the ri ght one.


message 743: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments Thank you Kenneth, some good ones from a great venue.


message 744: by Geevee, Assisting Moderator British & Commonwealth Forces (last edited Jun 10, 2014 12:35PM) (new)

Geevee | 3812 comments carl wrote: "where they at ? i looked in photos, but must not be the ri ght one."

Try this link here Carl, it takes you to the photos on the group pages and this is the most recent uploads including Kenneth's: https://www.goodreads.com/photo/group...


message 745: by carl (new)

carl  theaker | 1560 comments Oh that photo area. thanks GV, yes good pics, Spitfire fun.


message 746: by 'Aussie Rick', Moderator (new)

'Aussie Rick' (aussierick) | 20093 comments Great pic's, thanks for sharing.


message 747: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments https://www.goodreads.com/review/show...

This is my review for:

History Decoded by Brad Meltzer

Fair warning. I was underwhelmed. Not even close to being just Whelmed.


message 748: by happy (new)

happy (happyone) | 2281 comments Wow, you really, really didn't like this one :)


message 749: by Dj (new)

Dj | 2295 comments Well it was slightly better than the Jesse Ventura conspiracy book I read. But in general. No I didn't like it. LOL.


message 750: by Mike, Assisting Moderator US Forces (new)

Mike | 3646 comments Wow2, FoxNews and Daily Show...not often mentioned in the same sentence. Guess it really did not energize the Whelm-meter.


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