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Is it possible to enjoy a novel when you don't have anything in common with the characters?
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Exactly, the novel can work in the fourth dimension of time in a way that no other medium has yet mastered, but more importantly it works in the fifth dimension of thought and insight into those characters with which we may have no empathy. Golding is a master of making us observe the inner workings of the more repellent aspects of human nature.


That is just me though.

That is just me though."
No, not just you! And not necessarily escapism, although there is a fair it of that along the road.

I don't see what having something in common with a character has anything to do with enjoying a book. While I love Lolita, while I am neither a man nor have the love for a 12 year old doesn't mean I don't empathize with his pain. Regardless of plot or character there is something about reading that speaks to the soul. Beyond the lines of prose you could find understanding, introspection, etc. I have never been trapped on an island with no hope for survival, but I have rebelled against authority on many occasions. Jack is the embodiment of the unrestricted depraved portion of humanity and not something that I would want to share commonalities.



This subject comes up with every generation - the Lord of the Flies seems to skip out of time more than most books. It will be hard to date it.

For example, my favourite characters in the Lord of the Flies were Piggy and Roger (also a bit of liking to Simon?). Talking about Roger, that does not mean I am a sadist, nor do I find it an attractive (erotic?) trait. The reason why is not just something grand, showing the sadistic nature of human etc., but also something simple as "I wonder how he would grow up...".
Nevertheless, it is absolutely possible. Just like what many people here are saying. It is all just a matter of preference.

I wrote an essay about getting over this: http://www.kurtkeefner.com/2012/09/de...
Since then I've read at least one novel narrated by a character that (I would like to think) I have nothing in common with: Engleby
Mike Engleby has something wrong him, maybe Asperger's syndrome. He is also exceedingly creepy. He stalks a college classmate and maybe kills her. Even he's not sure.
Getting inside this guy's head is a real experience. The best part may be where he reads a statement by the only friend he's got describing what he's like. The shock of seeing him from the outside is thrilling.
(I hated Lord of the Flies though. And I don't believe that's what would happen to a society of boys in that situation.)

I wrote an essay about getting over..."
Engelby is a terrific and very unsettling read, I was thinking of The Cement Garden by Ian McEwen, ambitiously unsettling character, and you can't put it down.

Well put! I find the only books I can't "get into" are the ones where I can find no *empathy* with a character.

In addition to required assignments, I've read most of the classics. I read some popular fiction and non-fiction, simply for a different viewpoint. Lord Of the Flies was not my favorite book of that era but I hope to take something from each book I read, and usually do.

For me, the thing that makes a story enjoyable is the plot. Secondary to this is the author's message (if there is one.)
As far as the characters go, I mainly just accept them for who they are. They usually don't influence if I like a story, they are just themselves. This isn't to say I don't react to them. There are characters who I like, characters who I dislike, characters who I find annoying or endearing. There are characters who I cheer for and others who I hope get their comeupance in the end. But I don't actively try to relate to them. Understand them yes, relate, no.
Yes, a book will speak to me or the message may resonate more if I find a character who is a lot like me, but it certainly isn't necessary for me to enjoy a book. A character doesn't have to be like me for me to find them endearing. Nor do I seek out stories with characters I can relate to. If I'm not already familiar with the author or the characters, I pretty much look only at the plot when I'm deciding which new book to read.
I do like well crafted characters, and I think strong, endearing characters will bring a reader back to a story. I'm fascinated by story-telling as an art, and I love reading about how authors or actors view the characters in their stories.
The only thing that really annoys me is when an author has a character commit an act that goes completely against their nature and is inexplicable except for the needs of the plot or for shock value. That absolutely kills a story for me.
I agree with the earlier comment that it is more "relating" to a character. Some characters you relate to (can understand, admire, empathise with, love, hate...) you just woudn't want to meet, like or make friends with. I relate to Ralph in Lord of the flies as he stands up for what I would like to be see standing up for. Yet I reckon I would be closer to a Jack in reality if I am being honest, even though I feel like kicking him in the teeth when I read the book. That's the magic of fiction I guess......

No, on the contrary, I quite enjoy varying viewpoints and characters. A different/unique character brings a lot to the table and gives me new insights. Plus, diversity is always fun and interesting.
Generally, I attach myself to the intellectual or artistic or nerdy character (there usually always is one), since I am an obvious geek myself, as well as any characters who love to joke/use sarcasm too much, similar to me. However, I am partial to "badass" characters (especially female ones) despite having zero in common with those guys.
Generally, I attach myself to the intellectual or artistic or nerdy character (there usually always is one), since I am an obvious geek myself, as well as any characters who love to joke/use sarcasm too much, similar to me. However, I am partial to "badass" characters (especially female ones) despite having zero in common with those guys.



The porpose of reading is to slip away from your life and explore someone elses. You need to have a new experience when you read, see things from another point of view, go places you've never been.
That being said, it's hard to really enjoy a book when you and the characters have nothing in common. If there is no thread to tie you to the character, it is easy to slip out of it. There needs to be something that you can relate to with the character, whether it's a dream, personality, or a setting.

However, (speaking just from my own experience) I sometimes have trouble reading novels written by women. That is a point-of-view issue; not that I'm averse to their view but that (depending on the subject matter or genre) its just really jarring and hard to reconcile with mine, as a man.
For example, I can read feminist literature or a 'female topic' book and have no problem--but have rarely found say, an action-thriller penned by a female which goes down smoothly.

I couldn't agree more, Anne - it's a tiresome and trite criticism of a story by lazy post-literate readers who want a book to be a friend or collection of friends and not a book. I think it is forgiveable for younger readers to think this way, but certainly as a reader gets older he or she should realise that characters are a fairly superficial aspect of the inherent poetry weaved throughout a novel.

But that's where the similarity ends. Those two books were grounded in reality and based on things that really happened. The Lord of the Flies was a fantasy, an allegorical construct. These things did not happen, nor would believable characters likely behave as described. They were all foils, enabling the author to engage in a mental exercise to illustrate certain socio-political hypotheses. If you're not interested in sociology or politics, the book won't be interesting. The characters are a secondary consideration. It's a literary puppet show.

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