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I like Sir Gareth too! He is definitely decent but also quite charismatic, and he learns quite a bit about himself over the course of the novel.
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Louise wrote: "mr beaumaris is a bit condescending towards Arabella i think. enjoying the thought of her discomfiture. i am not sure i would want to marry someone who considered me absurd and made a mock of me li..."You are right. Why this does not bother me I'm not sure. I don't mind it in Mr. Beaumaris, Mr. Knightley (in Emma), Mr. Tilney (in Northanger Abbey), and my old boyfriend Larry. Why, I do not know.
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Lori wrote: "Louise wrote: "mr beaumaris is a bit condescending towards Arabella i think. enjoying the thought of her discomfiture. i am not sure i would want to marry someone who considered me absurd and made ..."mr knightley does not make a fool of Emma, he treats her seriously. henry teases catherine a bit,, he does not decieve her like mr beaumaris does Arabella. Mr beaumaris actually derives enjoyment from making a fool of arabella, which i think is different from mr knightley or Henry.
Louise wrote: "Lori wrote: "Louise wrote: "mr beaumaris is a bit condescending towards Arabella i think. enjoying the thought of her discomfiture. i am not sure i would want to marry someone who considered me abs..."That is true. Let me say that Mr. Knightley and Mr. Tilney are my favorite JA heroes. I agree with you that Mr. Knightley tries to get Emma OUT of trouble, not INTO trouble (which is a good way to differentiate between a tattletale and a truly helpful person). I forgive Mr. Tilney anything because of his love of his sister and his thorough knowledge of muslin, but he does act superior and does feed Catherine's already overactive imagination, which causes her to imagine all kinds of things. Then when he finds her snooping because he suspects something horrible, he gives her that speech: "Remember that we are English, that we are Christians. Consult your own understanding, your own sense of the probable, your own observation of what is passing around you. Does our education prepare us for such atrocities? [And wonderfully on and on and on.]. . . Dearest Miss Morland, what ideas have you been admitting?"
I agree that when Mr. Beaumaris encourages Charles to spread Arabella's own words, he is wrong. However, I don't think he realizes she can't accept an offer of marriage. He sees it as "elevating an unknown provincial to the heights of society. As for Arabella herself, Mr Beaumaris shrugged off a momentary compunction. She would no doubt retire in due course to her northern wilds, marry some red-faced squire, and talk for the rest of her life of her brilliant London season. . . . /I/t would be a pity if she were to retire too soon." Indeed, he doesn't want her exposed to ridicule ("But I must stop Charles spreading this [account of her championing a sweep's boy] all over town.). As the book progresses, he is hoping that Arabella will admit the truth to him, to trust him. And he takes the brunt of the blow of Papa's finding out, which is what Arabella most dreads.
Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their nature and it is her plot device for that condescension to be sent flying by the earnest, honest ingenue with whom they fall in love. Mr Beaumaris never tries to humiliate Arabella - indeed it could well be argued that in light of the times, he is indeed doing her a service in setting her up and expecting to send her back with stories of a successful season et al. His use of the term 'absurd' is a total reflection of the plot device which sees Arabella prepared to marry him in haste to obtain the money's she needs. Throughout the book, he helps her, comforts her and aids and abets her 'strange' whims and hopes that she will learn to trust him. I like him and believe, as in all Heyer novels, love will transform him for the better.
Susan wrote: "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their nature and it is her plot dev..."i dn't agree that all her heroes are condescending. freddy is not, neither is gervase, nor Hugo, nor tristram. Max is furious rather than condescending. mr beaumaris leads Arabella on in a way that i personally consider unkind. he is not doing her a service by letting it be supoosed that she is rich rather than (by upper class standards) poor. i don't like him. And what on earth has him not being a real man have to do with it? Do you suppose I am half witted, and not aware that i am reading fiction? i find that implication rather condescending,
Susan wrote: "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their nature and it is her plot dev..."He is not doing her a service at all and he knows he is not. He thinks she is a minx for pretending to be rich when he knew full well she was not, and so he takes his revenge on her. He means to laugh at her and everybody else who falls for this trick. It's a mean trick. Then he becomes nicer to her, but only because he falls in love with her. If he had not done so, she would have been royally screwed, and all the money that went to bringing her out would have been wasted, her poor godmother would have been humiliated, not to mention Arabella herself. Beaumaris only turns out a hero in the end because they fall in love with each other. If they had not, this would have ended very badly and all because of him. So no, he is not a nice guy. He sucks. Compare this to the apparent villain Vidal, who is prepared to marry Mary whatever else happened, because he can see his part in her downfall. Either way he would have saved her reputation, love or no. Finally, Beaumaris goes to see her parents without telling her. If I remember correctly he tells them they will marry etc. without asking her first. I mean, seriously!? He assumes she loves him. There is no humbling of his character. And in the end, all the nice things he did with the boy and the dog? Well, what happens when she wants to help Leaky Peg? He says no. That's how it is going to be in that marriage. Not my favourite hero. And I agree with Louise that nobody here is under the impression that Beaumaris is real.
Oh dear! Ruffled a few feathers it seems I have. Where is Yoda when you need him? Firstly, I am truly sorry if I have offended you Louise: or indeed anyone else who took my remarks as suggesting you did not know you were reading fiction! It really was not my intention to suggest anything like that,
I was trying to be funny - and clearly I failed judging by your responses!
However, if anything illustrates the difficulty of conveying tone and register through the written word only- this does. I had meant my opening remark to be humorous: - a way of illustrating how seriously we all take our GH discussions that we readers, do indeed become seriously involved in the characters' behaviour and motivation to the extent that we do on these GH pages. In my head, I was saying those words with a smile and a wink! Clearly the smile and the wink got lost in transcription! I remember elsewhere on the boards someone making a similar remark (about Freddy in Cotilion I think,) and she was clearly more successful as the responses were equally humorous. I must try and find that exchange and see where I went wrong! Seriously, and for the record, of course I don't think that folk on here cannot tell the difference between fact and fiction!!
Secondly, I very carefully did not say 'all' of GH heroes were condescending: - I specified the 'alpha' heroes because I believe that condescension is present to a greater or lesser degree in all of GH heroes of that type.
Finally, our assessments of different heroes a always going to vary and quite rightly so; we are all different after all and that is part of the pleasure of these pages isn't it? To read different perspectives on our favourite books and characters?
Susan wrote: "Oh dear! Ruffled a few feathers it seems I have. Where is Yoda when you need him? Firstly, I am truly sorry if I have offended you Louise: or indeed anyone else who took my remarks as suggesting y..."
Oh, Susan, I also thought you were serious! Not condescending, mind you, but definitely delusional. Whatever could you have meant by saying that Heyer's characters are fictional?
Susan, I didn't think you had said anything wrong but everyone doesn't always have the same way of viewing things.I enjoy your comments.
Emily wrote: "Susan wrote: "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their nature and it i..."You have summed Mr beaumaris up very well i think.
Susan wrote: "Oh dear! Ruffled a few feathers it seems I have. Where is Yoda when you need him? Firstly, I am truly sorry if I have offended you Louise: or indeed anyone else who took my remarks as suggesting y..."
I don't know exactly how you define 'alpha'. To me, for instance, Hugo seems very alpha, and so does Tristram, and gervase, and gareth. freddy perhaps not so much, but he has become quite alpha by the end of Cotillion I think. i think it is interesting to discuss different characters even if they are fictional. and i think mr Beaumaris is the only heyer hero who sets out to make a fool of the heroine, at least he is the only one i can think of who does that.
Andrea (Catsos Person) is a Compulsive eBook Hoarder wrote: "Susan, I didn't think you had said anything wrong but everyone doesn't always have the same way of viewing things.I enjoy your comments."
Thanks Andrea!
People take their GH very seriously, which is interesting as one reason I like reading her is her stories can be light-hearted and make me laugh. Perhaps we need Heyer emojicons in proper Regency dress--Fops, Dandies, Nonpareils, with neckcloths done in the Oriental or Waterfall with a wink and a smile to convey the proper tone when we are joking. Tongue-in-cheek humor is difficult to convey in text, as is sarcasm. But I try and remember that the guiding rule on most groups on Goodreads is to be kind to our fellow readers, and so I give the benefit of the doubt to my fellow readers before I assume they are attacking or insulting me. We are all here because we love GH, that should bring us together. We are all going to have favorites and they are going to vary. We should be able to allow for differing opinions without becoming snarky.
Kim wrote: "People take their GH very seriously, which is interesting as one reason I like reading her is her stories can be light-hearted and make me laugh. Perhaps we need Heyer emojicons in proper Regency d..."just because Heyer's novels are light hearted doesn't mean I have to like all her characters, and I don't. this thread after all is titled Who is your least favourite character? it would be an entirely pointless thread if people didn't have a negative view of at least some of her characters. And i think it is interesting to see which ones people don't like - it is quite a wide variety. i don't mind in the least if other people adore mr beaumaris so long as i am allowed to dislike him. the fact that he is not a real man does not alter my opinion of him - he is a 'real man' in the context of the novel.
Hadley wrote: "But Mr. Darcy is real, right? "Oh, yeah, he is definitely real.
I do not think anyone has said that you or anyone else have to like all of the characters. That is the point of having a thread discussing our varying views. But we should be able to keep a perspective that allows for humor, and civility, which is a very GH virtue. One, perhaps, of which Mr. Beaumaris needed more, as well as compassion. I suspect life with Arabella will lead him a merry dance, he may have won over Leaky Peg, but I suspect more waifs & strays lie around the corner. We come to GH, and books in general, for many reasons...I come here for the community. We are all blessed to have GH's books in our lives, she has carried me through some real low points in my life, and I love sharing her books with the group.
Kim wrote: "People take their GH very seriously, which is interesting as one reason I like reading her is her stories can be light-hearted and make me laugh. Perhaps we need Heyer emojicons in proper Regency d..."Kim, I love the idea of the emoticons! Wouldn't that just be great?
For example:-
a little man with waterfall cravat would mean - " I may look as if I am so up myself to be objectionable - but really I am just very serious"
Nonpareil in beaver hat - winking - that could mean - "this is tongue in cheek"
Jem Belcher in full boxing mode - would clearly be:- "this is serious - I really mean what I say here - no messing"
I love it. Such a clever idea!
Like you, I like the sense of community here that people come with a shared love of Georgette Heyer but not necessarily agreeing about all her works cos that would be so boring!! Vive la difference!
Susan wrote: "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their nature and it is her plot dev..."Susan, I agree with you 100%. Indeed, you summarize him so well. Mr. Beaumaris has been looking for a woman like Arabella his whole life. He is transfixed (robbed of his senses) when she champions "the unspeakable Jemmy" and he knows that marrying her will lead to a time when she "will expect [him] to launch a campaign for the alleviation of the lot of climbing-boys, and will very likely turn [his] house into an asylum for stray curs." He respects her wishes far more than any other person in London, because (unlike Charles and his "easy sympathy" who only SAYS he is "interested in anything that interest Miss Tallant") Mr. Beaumaris inconveniences himself by taking in a not-very-taking brat like Jemmy. He realizes that she cares for him by the way she reacts to his proposal, so he was correct to address her father before courting her (as Mr. Morville points out in the last chapter of "The Quiet Gentleman": "No doubt I am sadly behind the times, but it may be of interest to you to know, St Erth, that in MY day, it was customary, before making an offer to a young woman, to obtain the consent of her father!" P.S. Robert Beaumaris is real, and I have the computer password to prove it.
Exactly! And I think GH loved all of her characters, flaws and all, or she would not have wasted her time and energy on creating them. She created a variety of them, knowing she had an audience that required shades of personalities that reflected the life of the era. Life during the Season was not conducive to maturing the men or women in the most positive of ways. I remember reading about the Duchess of Devonshire and how, once she was married as a very young woman to the Duke, she was just left to her own devices in London society & got into a great deal of trouble with debts from gaming, ill-fated love affairs, etc. Until she found her feet and became interested in politics, she seemed lost. Boredom and being at loose ends often leads to thoughtless behavior, and I think we see that played out throughout GH's books.
Lori wrote: "Susan wrote: "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their nature and it i..."..."I have the computer password to prove it." Well, then, there we are!
Kim wrote: "People take their GH very seriously, which is interesting as one reason I like reading her is her stories can be light-hearted and make me laugh. Perhaps we need Heyer emojicons in proper Regency d..."I love the humor in Heyer, particularly how it comes out in conversation between characters. That's also something I love about Austen.
And I love the idea of Regency emojis! But how will they ever get the emojis neckcloth tied into the proper mathematical style?
(Insert nonchalant corintihian emoji impressing a dandy emoji)
Mr beaumaris is a person who makes a joke of everything, including Arabella. the way he manipulates her is not attractive. I'd like to see Leaky peg bash him over the head with a bottle of gin.
Hadley wrote: "Kim wrote: "People take their GH very seriously, which is interesting as one reason I like reading her is her stories can be light-hearted and make me laugh. Perhaps we need Heyer emojicons in prop..."Also in the Windham Fall ("The Corinthian") and Variations on an Original Theme ("Arabella").
They might have to go through a pile of them painstakingly ironed by a servant somewhere. ;-)
Karlyne wrote: "Lori wrote: "Susan wrote: "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination. All of GH's alpha heroes are condescending! It is their na...":)
Susan wrote: "Kim wrote: "People take their GH very seriously, which is interesting as one reason I like reading her is her stories can be light-hearted and make me laugh. Perhaps we need Heyer emojicons in prop..."Pen and ink drawings: I can see them in my mind's eye! I just wish I had the skill to translate them to paper.
Kim wrote: "They might have to go through a pile of them painstakingly ironed by a servant somewhere. ;-)"Yes. Even the Nonpareil said to his valet, Painswick, "But you must put up enough neckcloths to allow for some failures." Imagine if they were all washed in water imported from the country (as Beau Brummell's were).
Sir Anthony in The Masqueraders has a lot in common with Hugo (besides size). Both see more clearly than the other characters expect. I like both of them a lot!
Teresa wrote: "Having recently reread A Civil Contract, I find that Adam Deveril does nothing for me. He's dull and a little self-pitying. And I can't stand Julia. There marriage would have been a disaster. They ..."i think Adam is dull, and I don't like Jenny either. She's such a doormat. also I thi k it's rather shocking that she is willing to marry a man she knows is in love with someone else - someone who is supposed to be her friend. I personally think Adam would have had more fun with Julia, Jenny is deary.
Susan wrote, "Ladies, I hate to say this - but Mr Beaumaris is not a real man! He is a construct of the writer's imagination." Glad this thread has come up again! Susan's comment reminded me of this incident: At a doctoral dissertation defense some years ago, the one woman on the committee remarked to the candidate, "You talk about these characters as if they were more than just words on a page," and the candidate responded, "If the author has succeeded, they are!"
I personally think Adam would have had more fun with JuliaJulia the high-maintenance drama queen? Surely you jest! In any case, under the circumstances "fun" was the last thing on Adam's mind.
Oooh, the April Group Read for a Civil Contract is going to be lively! :DMaryC wrote: "
Glad this thread has come up again! Susan's comment reminded me of t..."
Love that quote!
Of course GH characters are realHow else could Judith Taverner marry and have a child
How could Vidal be born
How could Babs be born and be able to meet Charles Audley
Sir Harry Smith and Lady Smith are real
She has a town named after her
AND the Duke of Wellington is in a the history books
AND England had a re enactment of the Battle of Waterloo
So there
It's all REAL
Margaret wrote: "I personally think Adam would have had more fun with JuliaJulia the high-maintenance drama queen? Surely you jest! In any case, under the circumstances "fun" was the last thing on Adam's mind."
he doesn't really love jenny though. i can't imagine how they managed on honeymoon, he isn't even attracted to her. He must hage shut his eyes and thought of Julia. jenny is a repellent creature.
Louise wrote: "jenny is a repellent creature. ..."Carol is right; the discussion on this book is going to be fun. I'm not even sure we're reading the same book!
While in our modern times we might find it hard to understand how Jenny could be unselfish enough to marry Adam knowing that he didn't love her, her explanation that she loved him, and enabling him to save Fountley etc. was all that she could do for him, is convincing for me. He couldn't marry Julia in any event and it is clear from the book that he comes to realise that, if he had been able to marry her, he would have regretted it because they do not share the same view of what matters and she would have hated the reality of living at Fountley. Julia might have been prettier, but she is spoilt and self-centred while Jenny is loving and giving.
I think it's important to remember that, at that time, marriages of convenience were not unusual, and often husbands and wives knew each other much less well than Jenny and Adam did.
Thinking about the question -- who is my least favourite character lead or supporting -- I thought at first of Sylvester, because I hate the rift between him and Phoebe, but I realised that actually he's OK. I think Beau Lavenham in The Talisman Ring is probably my least favourite of the main characters in Heyer's books. He's a perfect villain! Mind you, I do find Ludovic and Eustacie a bit boring at times. There are a few more minor characters who I don't like, such as Deb's brother in Faro's Daughter, and Pen's aunt in The Corinthian, but I think the question relates to characters who play a larger role in the books.
I've thought of another: Tiffany in The Nonesuch. She has no redeeming features, and is tedious.
HJ wrote: "Louise wrote: "jenny is a repellent creature. ..."Carol is right; the discussion on this book is going to be fun. I'm not even sure we're reading the same book!
While in our modern times we mig..."
i don't find jenny unselfish at all, I think it is very selfish to marry a man who your friend is in love with, and who you know is not in love with you, but with her. it requires a very ruthless nature i think. jenny wants Adam, and is determined to have him, on any terms. She doesn't care that he doesn't love her, and does love Julia.
I would feel differently about her if she did not know Julia, or about Adam being in love with her, if she was just a 'golden dolly' who wanted to marry into thr aristocracy and didn't expect love. But as it is, i find the whole thing a bit creepy. it doesn't help that heyer has made her very unattractive, the repulsion that adam feels when he looks at her as they're off on their honeymoon is depressing too. Nobody should feel like that on their honeymoon. i find the whole story depressing.
This reminds me, the village I live in used to have about 15 pubs and for the last Village festival the houses put banners outside to indicate which pub they were - the house opposite us used to be "The Sir Harry Smith" :D
One thing I find particularly interesting is that without our least favorite characters a lot of the books would be boring. Tiffany Weld is such a spoiled arrogant jerk and during the entire book I wanted bad things to happen to her. However, if she hadn't been in the book it would have been a pretty boring story of Waldo and Ancilla meeting at parties, falling in love without any impediment, and then getting married. Instead they have to deal with that disaster Tiffany.
Amy wrote: "One thing I find particularly interesting is that without our least favorite characters a lot of the books would be boring. Tiffany Weld is such a spoiled arrogant jerk and during the entire book..."
I tend to think of 'least favourite characters' in terms of characters who are supposed to be likeable, but don't appeal to me personally, rather than those who ate set up especially for us to dislike. tiffany is a maddening character, but then she's supposed to be. wheras there are a number of characters who are supposed to be likeable, but who I don't like at all.
Louise wrote: "i don't find jenny unselfish at all, I think it is very selfish to marry a man who your friend is in love with, and who you know is not in love with you, but with her. it requires a very ruthless nature i think. jenny wants Adam, and is determined to have him, on any terms. She doesn't care that he doesn't love her, and does love Julia...."So, since it is plain from the book that Adam couldn't marry Julia, and you think Jenny shouldn't have married him, which would you rather happened?
1. Adam didn't marry anyone, and lost his family home, and was unable to give his sisters dowries so they couldn't marry anyone, and could only just manage to feed and house his mother and sisters, or
2. Adam married a woman whom he didn't know and who of course didn't love him (since she didn't know him) but who was rich, so that he could provide for his mothers and sisters.
Those were his only other options.
Don't forget that it is clear from the book that Jenny loved him, and did NOT marry him because she wanted to be an aristocrat. Do you seriously argue that either 1 or 2 above -- remember that these were his only other options -- would be better than his marrying a woman who knew him and loved him?
HJ wrote: "Louise wrote: "i don't find jenny unselfish at all, I think it is very selfish to marry a man who your friend is in love with, and who you know is not in love with you, but with her. it requires a ..."Well expressed HJ - it is totally clear that Jenny loved him and wanted to help him. She had little interest in becoming part of the aristocracy but was prepared to do anything to help her husband.
I feel sorry for Jenny but cannot help wondering why she was prepared to accept being second best. I really felt uncomfortable with this story no matter how much it resonated with the values of the time with convenient marriages being seen as acceptable.
HJ wrote: "Louise wrote: "i don't find jenny unselfish at all, I think it is very selfish to marry a man who your friend is in love with, and who you know is not in love with you, but with her. it requires a ..."Adam could have sold the house to provide for his sisters, as per his original plan, and gone on with his army career. As for him having to feed and house his mother, that's not so. His mother has £800 a year - a fortune to most ordinary people in the Regency era. According to the Cambridge Companion to jane Austen, the minimum income needed to support a genteel lifestyle for a single person was £100 a year,and lady Lynton has 8 times that amount. far from Adam needing to support her, she could easily support him, and his sisters. jane Austen, her mother, sister, and their cousin martha Lloyd, lived on £500 a year, and they managed to keep three servants on that,
if Adam had any gumption, he would have taken Julia up on her offer. if he wanted to farm, he could have had a small farm. or julia could have learnt to be an army wife. Jenny's father could buy her another aristocrat. Marrying a wealthy heiress if he had no other woman in mind would be less degrading, but as it is I think him pathetic.
As it is, i find the whole story creepy. jenny with her refrain of 'men like to be comfortable'. yes, but men also like to be on honeymoon with women who don't repulse them.
Louise wrote: "HJ wrote: "Louise wrote: "i don't find jenny unselfish at all, I think it is very selfish to marry a man who your friend is in love with, and who you know is not in love with you, but with her. it ..."The slow burn of Adam's realization that he does care for Jenny, and that she does suit him much more than Julia makes for an original story, and one that most authors might shy away from writing. It is not the formulaic attraction at first sight, then overcoming problems to eventually be with each other. It is a complex story. This could have happened, and Adam is a better man than most for discovering that he had misunderstood his heart, and not truly appreciated what he has.
All that being said, it is not one of my favorite books! Jenny's heart being wrung throughout the book is very painful, and that she hides it so well makes it even more so! But I think it is a very interesting story, and well written.
Susan wrote:I really felt uncomfortable with this story no matter how much it resonated with the values of the time with convenient marriages being seen as acceptable.
Regardless of how WE feel, Adam and Julia's marriage WAS an acceptable one at the time and to some extent in GH's time and class. Adam's acceptance of Lord Oversley's suggestion was based on the honor he felt due his heritage and his love of Fontley. It was the only way he saw to save his heritage and his home.
As for Jenny, she saw this as clearly as Adam did and based on her earlier acquaintance and observation of his character, as well as her father's wishes (no small thing in those days!), decided to marry Adam and do her best to 'make him comfortable.' At least she did have some previous acquaintance with him -- not the case in all ton marriages!
As for the honeymoon -- it did give them a chance to become somewhat adjusted to their new relationship. This relationship developed quite positively as Adam came to realize that Jenny had a sense of humor.
Jenny's capability DOES make Adam comfortable and her acceptance by his family is also important to him. Nothing creepy about that! It is an important part of any marriage, no matter how it has come about!
In addition, the marriage is an important part of Adam's maturing as he takes responsibility for his property and his future, culminating in his wild speculation after Waterloo. I see this as his real coming of age which makes him able to finally be free of his infatuation with Julia.
I have a weakness for coming of age stories and this is one of my favorites.
Jacquie wrote: "Susan wrote:I really felt uncomfortable with this story no matter how much it resonated with the values of the time with convenient marriages being seen as acceptable.
Regardless of how WE feel,..."
I said that such a marriage was acceptable at the time; so why the reiteration as an apparent riposte to that part of my post which you quoted?
Most of your post seems to be responding to points that others have made rather than anything I actually said. You do an admirable job in that; and I actually agree with most of your points. You clearly feel very passionately about the story and demonstrate an admirable empathy for the main characters. I think most of us get very attached to our GH favourites and find it difficult to understand that not everyone has the same ones. The way we feel about the characters and the stories cannot be disregarded, as they inform our opinions -right or wrong! Vive la difference, I say - otherwise there would be no debate!
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