The End (A Series of Unfortunate Events, #13) The End discussion


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anyone else who found the ending to this series incredibly dissapointing?

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message 51: by Lia (new) - rated it 1 star

Lia a conclusion


Angie Mara wrote: "There's a reason Snicket called the question mark The Great Unknown. And it wouldn't surprise me if maybe someday he writes a sequel-series."

Or a prequel.

The Great Unknown, I suppose, is an allegory about how one doesn't have any knowledge about someone's fate or current whereabouts. It may not mean that person is dead, it could mean that you lost contact with that person and you haven't seen him or her again.


message 53: by Mara (new) - rated it 5 stars

Mara Ditto on the interpretation. Though I get the sneaking suspicion that one were to ask Snicket what The Great Unknown is, he would saying something along the lines of, "I don't know, hence the name." ;)


Steff S (The Bookish Owl) Annelyse wrote: "Sarah wrote: "What I loved about it was how everything made sense with just one word:

Beatrice"

nope not to me....i didnt get it when the baby ,or what ever she was,said Beatrice


wait!!!! how d..."


Because with the custom of naming children after family members the Baudelaires named her Beatrice after their mother and from what I can gather Lemony Snicket - the character - had been in love with their mother but she didn't reciprocate, hence why all the books are dedicated to Beatrice.


Angie Well, according to some passages, she loved him, but she went on with her life because at some moment she believed him dead (that's the reason of why she had planned to give her first child the name of Lemony in case was a boy).

When she got the knownlegde that he was still alive, she couldn't return with him because she was already married and forming a family.


Klara Łuczka-Hanzalová I wanted to learn something more about:
-the sugar bowl
-the secret about the Baudelaire parents and the poison darts mentioned in The Penultimate Peril
-what happened to the Quagmires


Klara Łuczka-Hanzalová Mara wrote: "There's a reason Snicket called the question mark The Great Unknown. And it wouldn't surprise me if maybe someday he writes a sequel-series."

He did start writing a sequel-series. It's called "All the wrong questions" and the first part, "Who could that be at this hour?" is going to be published in october 2012.


Yuval Kate wrote: "I doub it, seeing as this book was labeled 'The END'. I finished the book, sat there confused, reread the last page, and reread it again. I couldn't believe he ended it so horribly. Quigly Quagmire..."

Also, I think he wrote 13 books on purpose (13 means bad luck)


Yazid (Ciel) I disappointed also! but hey, if you think about it klaus, violet and Sunny and the-baby-i-don't-remember-his-name are safe from klaus, so i'm satisfy already.


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Caitlyn is that in this library?


Tyler this end was pretty disipointing, I WANT TO KNOW MORE!!!!
but i guess it was planned that way, and it was a great plot.


Bridget i thought it ended to quicklly there was no intense moment, sure i was sad but it all happend very fast


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THIS ENDING DISAPPOINTED ME


message 64: by QR (new) - rated it 4 stars

QR All I wanted to know was, what the hell was the sugarbowl??


message 65: by Erin (new) - rated it 4 stars

Erin O'Riordan Klara Diana wrote: "Mara wrote: "There's a reason Snicket called the question mark The Great Unknown. And it wouldn't surprise me if maybe someday he writes a sequel-series."

He did start writing a sequel-series. It'..."


The All the Wrong Questions series is set before A Series of Unfortunate Events, when Lemony Snicket was 13 years old and a junior VFD member in training.


Theshadowfog I loved the ending. It fit the series perfectly.


$$$taco Marco Ramdas taco$$$ i wish the end was with kit still alive and all the children (Ducan Quigley ect.) all together alive.


Jazzy Worst ending, i wish they found one of there parents, or they found out some of th secrets, but it kinda just leaves you hanging.


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Iman Sarah wrote: "What I loved about it was how everything made sense with just one word:

Beatrice"


I didn't get it at allll


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Iman Emma the Dork wrote: "i know. it was awful. what about the sugar bowl? and when olaf dies you dont get any satisfaction out of it cuz through the whole book u see a side of him that isnt bad.........UGH"

I know like I was so mad


message 71: by Iman (new)

Iman Meiyu wrote: "I liked it,but it was confusing.So sad Kit died:(But i love this series:)Did u know Lemony Snicket is a pen name for the author???"


Yup A lot of people think he is the same author who wrote the name of this book is secret


message 72: by Shannon (new)

Shannon I liked the ending, it answered many mysteries and left many more alone. I feel like it would've been wrong to answer everything, but yes I'm curious too.
Maybe there will be a companion series.


message 73: by Alissa (last edited Apr 28, 2013 11:20AM) (new) - rated it 5 stars

Alissa I really liked the ending. Yes, many loose ends were not tied, but I think it would have been going against Lemmony Snicket's style to make it a happy ending where all of our questions were answered. I read this book quite a while ago so I don't exactly remember what answers he DID give us, however, I remember that though I wanted more, I was satisfied that many things were open for interpretation. And it is so creepy and awesome and mysterious at the very end when you see the picture of the question mark ship. This book ending happily would be like Mockingjay ending happily. Unrealistic.


message 74: by [deleted user] (new)

A long time since I read it, but I have to admit thinking back to this book I was annoyed by the ending because I didn't think it was sad enough. (I'm not a monster, I swear :P) The point for me was that he had built up this ending and said over and over again that it would be so sad that I don't think anything he could have thought up would be as horrible as the things I imagined happened with the children in the end while reading. The ending therefore became anti-climatic. For me. The rest I thought fit the tone of the rest of the book. This book was never about the parents or why they died, in a sense, it was about how the children survived their parents dying, and it delivers on that.


message 75: by em (new)

em I think he did well ending the series. I know a lot of people weren't satisfied with it, though. I wasn't bothered my the ending because it's supposed to be mysterious. There are a few books about before the Baudelaires, which I like. It gives you a little more understanding and a little more mystery. As everyone, i would like to know all the backgrounds and pasts of ALL the characters, but what I REALLY SUPER want to know is, who is Lemony Snicket. We know that's not his real name, but he's an actual charater in the book. Like, is he Kit's brother? He's never mentioned, and this 'Beatrice' he always writes the dedication to, in the first one it was "To Beatrice- darling,dearest, dead.' Is he talking about Beatrice Baudelaire? I think we MIGHT find out in his new series.


message 76: by em (new)

em AHHHRG! Yes, the Quagmires, Quigley!


message 77: by Nim (new) - rated it 3 stars

Nim is till don't understand why he would kill them off reminds me of shake spear a little and I keep thinking of poor sunny.


message 78: by em (new)

em Nimra wrote: "is till don't understand why he would kill them off reminds me of shake spear a little and I keep thinking of poor sunny."
Who says he killed them off?


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✩ very disappointing because i thought they would actually kill count olaf but very disappointing i don't like the book.


Sara No H I am torn about this whole series. It leaves you wanting more and yet feeling satisfied with what little you get anyway.

I do feel like the ending was less of an ending and more of a taper off, but as a whole... It fit the series.

Basically the whole series is exactly what you should expect from a title like "A Series of Unfortunate Events".

Kudos, Lemony Snicket.


Charlotte Yes i thought there should be more about Olaf!


Maura I need a sequel series b/c I expected them to reunite with the others and finally find a place they can call home and find what the great unknown is and the sugar thing and at least know if one of their parents is alive! please?


Daniel Kallin I hated the ending but he has written a prequel and has just released the third book in the prequel's series.


message 84: by Simon (new)

Simon Traynor I fell in love with the first few books! I also love when stories don't use a happy ending to sell their work. And I can completely accept not having a thorough understanding of things to enjoy them.
If the series ended happily I would have been even more disappointed.
With that said, I started getting disappointed with the series far earlier than the final book. I didn't mind being in the dark about things, but for many books in a row there were more questions than answers. As they piled up and piled up they just got tedious. I think the film (even though it ended hopefully) was wise to select moments from the early series and ignore the later part of it.


Jasmine I read this series in Middle School. I want to say I finished the last book when I was still in my early teens, as soon as it came out. The ending was INCREDIBLY disappointing. No questions were answered. Count Olaf was never dealt with. I really didn't get closure in what happened to the kids parents. Seems as though they just gave up, resigned themselves to their fate and decided to live on the island letting Count Olaf get away with everything he did to them? Living out the rest of their days on the same island their parents had lived on? Yeah this was so annoying I remember the ending all these years later and it still bothers me. 13 years of waiting for a conclusion........major disappointment.


Christina Harlin I found it a remarkable series of books; my son and I read them together at bedtime throughout. Normally I don't criticize an ending unless I have loved everything else about a story (I write too; I know endings can be a nightmare) and this was just unforgivable. This vague, rambling non-finish smacked of an author who had written himself into a corner and didn't know the answers to his own series' questions. Can't think of an answer? Render the question pointless. The Beaudelaire children didn't have to have a happy ending, but they deserved one that was as solid as their story, and so did the readers. Regardless, I'll always have very fond memories of laughing with my son over the series as a whole.


message 87: by em (new)

em I read this series through the summer a few years ago and I didn't think it was disappointing at all. The ending was open, and I liked it that way. You get to pick your own ending, and I write too, those endings CAN be a pain, but I think he did what he did on purpose. If The Series of Unfortunate Events didn't go well, he wouldn't really have been able to put out his new series ( though I'm having a hard time getting into, myself, because I'm growing out of them ). I guess I'm one of the only people who actually enjoyed the ending. I felt this sort of closure.


Raegan Yes. I regret reading the series. :(


message 89: by [deleted user] (new)

THANK GOD...I'm NOT going crazy! Other people are just as disappointed. I got to the end of the 2nd last book and wondered what the heck the kids were doing! By the time it got to the last book, I'm like, if you're going to create mysteries, at least solve the major ones!

THIS is one of the reasons I don't like jumping on bandwagons. I didn't jump on the 50 Shades bandwagon. Turned out to be a good thing, for a few reasons.

Back in the day, I jumped on the Jaws bandwagon, and THANK YOU STEVEN SPIELBERG, for NOT following that end! Yawn fest. I would have done the same thing, (If I was foolish enough to get into the water with a great white shark). And that's all well and good when all you want to kill a shark. But if you want to end a story on a high note, Carl Gotlieb/Steven Spielberg went the right way.

Same way here. I ENJOYED the movie! It gives us something to wonder about and hope for. The last of the book series utterly befuddled me! SIGH. Maybe I should have followed Mr. Snicket's advice and put the 2nd last book down before I got to the end of that, only to be even more disillusioned when I got to the end of the last.


message 90: by Maire (last edited Aug 24, 2015 05:10PM) (new) - rated it 4 stars

Maire the twist and turns where fine like vip,but the way ending from the end. (ahem...spoilers alert) they end leaving the island and the the child kit had named after the boat that the psycho dude had. the ending was a bit disappointing. What think he did on purpose, just for the cliff hanger. What I think he wanted to see the reader's reaction when ends like they "they leave island of crazy people with the baby that was named with the boat.THE END"


Gbolahan Sarah wrote: "What I loved about it was how everything made sense with just one word:

Beatrice"


What sense did the word" Beatrice" make?


Laura Andrew wrote: "The worst book ending ever"

Ben wrote: "I too was very disappointed. I have reviewed this. Instead of answers to all our questions, all we got was a crappy island. This could have been ended much better

"


That's the point. It's realistic. If you were to take any story from real life, then no matter what you took, there would always be ambiguity at the end. One of the best things about this fandom is the fan theories, and that they're all equally as clever and as valid because of the mystery that ASOUE is shrouded in.


Laura Gbolahan wrote: "Sarah wrote: "What I loved about it was how everything made sense with just one word:

Beatrice"

What sense did the word" Beatrice" make?"


It starts with Beatrice:
For Beatrice-
Darling, dearest, dead


And ends with Beatrice. Beatrice Baudelaire I, Beatrice Baudelaire II, and Beatrice the boat. Read The Beatrice Letters, and you'll see the significance of Beatrice.


Gbolahan Emerald wrote: "Gbolahan wrote: "Sarah wrote: "What I loved about it was how everything made sense with just one word:

Beatrice"

What sense did the word" Beatrice" make?"

It starts with Beatrice:
For Beatrice-
..."


Wow. I read 13 books without getting the significance of Beatrice. And now I gotta go read a fourteenth to get the significance of a name that was mentioned in all 13 books with no explanation for the name?? Sheesh. Marketing strategy much...?
I think I'll pass.


Gbolahan Gbolahan wrote: "Sarah wrote: "What I loved about it was how everything made sense with just one word:

Beatrice"

What sense did the word" Beatrice" make?"


Hi, Sarah. Just thought I'd ask again...what sense did the word "Beatrice" make?


Laura Gbolahan wrote: "Wow. I read 13 books without getting the significance of Beatrice. And now I gotta go read a fourteenth to get the significance of a name that was mentioned in all 13 books with no explanation for the name?? Sheesh. Marketing strategy much...?
I think I'll pass."


It's made clear that Lemony loved Beatrice from TBB when he dedicated his book to her. The Averse (ASOUE/ATWQ universe) is shrouded in mystery, and a major part of the fandom is coming up with fan theories. The best thing? Nobody tries to prove you wrong because the whole series is one big mystery and we know just as much as the next guy. Each new Snicket book shows a tiny peep of the answer, seemingly insignificant, but once you thread together the pieces, it reveals a new answer, all of the answers getting progressively more and more relevant.

And do you know why there are thirteen books? This is A Series of Unfortunate Events; thirteen is an unlucky number.

These kinds of mysteries don't seem like everyone's cup of tea when you hear the synopsis, but once you look into it, you'll see how cleverly written everything is and start liking (hopefully even loving) it too.

Back to the significance of Beatrice, like I said, the series starts and ends with Beatrice. It's a full loop.


Gbolahan Emerald wrote: "Gbolahan wrote: "Wow. I read 13 books without getting the significance of Beatrice. And now I gotta go read a fourteenth to get the significance of a name that was mentioned in all 13 books with no..."

Starts and ends with a name.
Yup. VERY significant.


Laura Gbolahan wrote: "Starts and ends with a name.
Yup. VERY significant. "


It's more than that - Beatrice Baudelaire I, Beatrice Baudelaire II, Beatrice the boat. The Baudelaire orphans (V, K, and S) lose Beatrice thrice; their mother dies, and if you read TBL, you'll see that Beatrice II gets lost and if you put together the cutouts, BEATRICESANK (the boat sank, becoming lost in the sea). Three is a common number in the series; three Baudelaire children (excluding the adopted Beatrice II), two sets of triplets, three sets of three orphans.


Gbolahan Emerald wrote: It's more than that - Beatrice Baudelaire I, Beatrice Baudelaire II, Beatrice the boat. The Baudelaire orphans (V, K, and S) ..."

First I read a series of unfortunate events.
Then I'm being told I have to read TBL (whatever that is).
And then, the "cutouts".
Just to make sense of a lot of unfortunate events.
Nah, I don't think so. To go through Snicket warning me (AND laughing his sick head off the whole time) NOT to read his books, to go through expending ALL that money and time and effort and still risk the possibility of not getting the answers or the entertainment I want...nope, not a risk I even want to consider.
Rather stick with Riordan and Rowling. Their series of series have ended well. So far.


message 100: by Laura (new) - rated it 5 stars

Laura Gbolahan wrote: "First I read a series of unfortunate events.
Then I'm being told I have to read TBL (whatever that is).
And then, the "cutouts".
Just to make sense of a lot of unfortunate events.
Nah, I don't think so. To go through Snicket warning me (AND laughing his sick head off the whole time) NOT to read his books, to go through expending ALL that money and time and effort and still risk the possibility of not getting the answers or the entertainment I want...nope, not a risk I even want to consider.
Rather stick with Riordan and Rowling. Their series of series have ended well. So far. "


Well, as long as you understand the facts, then you can have your own opinion. If it's not your cup of tea then that's fine.

Oh, and you don't have to read TBL. It's just an addition for fans to get some answers to questions.


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