The Giver
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Do Gabe and Jonas die at the end
No! Loris lowery has commented that it is an happy closure of the novel. Read more of her books to find out
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It is equivocal whether Jonas and Gabriel die at the end of The Giver.
no they didn't because they are featured later in the giver quartet. Jonas becomes the leader, and Gabe grows up. They are in 'Elsewhere' because the place doesn't really have a name.
everyone dies.no one lives.
they all die.
Parker wrote: "everyone dies.no one lives.
they all die."
They mean at the close of the book
not later of in life.
I don't think they did because Gabe is in Son and he's living and stuff so I don't think they died.
I just finished the 4th in the Series and if you read them all your questions will be answered 8)
Sophia wrote: "I think the finally reach elsewhere. What about you?"I don't think he reaches elsewhere becuase when Jonas is shown the tape of the twin's release, it shows that he is thrown in, sadly, the trash schute. Also there is a following book called messenger, and if you search that book on Wikipedia, you can see a map of his travels.
No they do not die at the end of The Giver. There are four more books in the series and though they are not the main characters in all of them they are still in the books.
I LOVED THE GIVER!!! But I do think Gabe and Jonas died.
Liz wrote: "I think they died."I believe they might have died because as we know when people die the get a sense of flashbacks, which is the brain giving the person a sense of euphoria or good feeling. Aka the good half of the sleigh riding memory.
I always thought Jonas and Gabe died. When I read it as a student and then taught it as a teacher, my opinion never changed. Though I don't pretend to have the ultimate answer. It just seemed to fit. And yes I'm familiar with the other books. But I always read it this way. And I find that to be the most beautiful ending...sacrificing life for freedom and others is something I hope I would be able to do if I had to. As far as it relates to the book, the ending is the first memory The Giver gave Jonas...the sled and the house. It made him feel for the first time and was a wonderful memory/feeling, something I could see Jonas remembering in his final moments. Also, it was after that that his memories were released, similar to the memories that RoseMary let go when she was released. It was Jonas' final and ultimate sacrifice for the good of the people! BEAUTIFUL! Even if I'm wrong I wouldn't want it to end any other way. I love this story so much! If I have another son I'm going to name him Jonas. And I think the best literature is always left open for the reader's interpretation. True art always is! Thank you Lowis Lowery!
Madison wrote: "Sophia wrote: "I think the finally reach elsewhere. What about you?"I don't think he reaches elsewhere becuase when Jonas is shown the tape of the twin's release, it shows that he is thrown in, s..."
Whenever anyone is released, they are released to elsewhere, i.e. Death...
What made me think that they did not survive in The Giver was the Christmas memory. If Jonah and Gabe arrive at the house that the Giver described that means that he predicted the future instead of recalling a memory. Is that something the Giver could do?
It's a dumb, contrived story and the ending, when you find out what happens to Jonas and Gabe, is only an exercise of the willing suspension of disbelief. Don't waste your time on it.
Agreed. My son had to read it in fifth grade. Don't ask me why. It's not great literature and the subject is not appropriate for middle schoolers. I can think of many other books that are much better.
I can see it being assigned in eight grade but not fifth. Things in the book that should be big, should be hard, are accomplished with little or no conflict. The fact that people can't see colors should be a huge deal. It should be confusing and upsetting to Jacob/what's his name at first. More should have been made of the first Giver candidate giving up the position/leaving. I can see eighth graders not being critical of these things but the thing that makes a good YA book is that it's appealing to adult readers, too. Harry Potter, the Hunger Games, those are YA books that are good reading. Even the Wizard of Oz series is better reading than the Giver series.
Completely agree. I remember my son being disturbed by the baby-killing scene in particular and not being able to grasp the broader context of the story.
Nelly wrote: "Completely agree. I remember my son being disturbed by the baby-killing scene in particular and not being able to grasp the broader context of the story."Did you complain to the teacher about this? If my son had read this in 5th grade, it would have devastated him.
You're the reason college students need "safe spaces" in college.
Heather wrote: "You're the reason college students need "safe spaces" in college."Excuse me, but there's a difference between fifth grade and college. And I'm sorry if it bugs you, but my son likes people and loves little babies and toddlers. Always has. Reading about someone killing a baby when he was in fifth grade would have truly affected him. However, he read The Giver in eighth grade and loved it, even though he found parts disturbing. Yeah, three years makes a big difference in how someone reacts to a book. Grow up.
Wow. Just......please, if you don't like the book, go somewhere else.
Read Heather's comment. Ask yourself what in the world does that have to do with the book?
I understand that it could be disturbing. I'd rather be disturbed if someone wasn't disturbed at least a little. I was referring to your comment.
Susie wrote: "It's a dumb, contrived story and the ending, when you find out what happens to Jonas and Gabe, is only an exercise of the willing suspension of disbelief. Don't waste your time on it."
This thread is for people who found the book thought-provoking and enjoyable. We're here to discuss the ending. If you want to hate on the book, please just take it somewhere else. That's all I meant.
No, they do not. Lowry went on to write 3 more books in which Jonas and Gabe make appearances. In fact, the 4th book, Son, is all about Gabe and his birth mother.
Emily wrote: "I don't think they did die because Jonah said when they reached the bottom of the snow hill, that he could see them waiting for him. Thats what i think though, i dont know about you."It's Jonas.
Hylian Princess wrote: "Sophia wrote: "I think the finally reach elsewhere. What about you?"
Well, what happens to Jonah and Gabe is suppose to be up for interpretation. Shortly after Lowry wrote the book, she was interv..."
Yes, I agree that it is up to how the reader interprets the ending, you could argue that based on the story of Rosemary, who, when she died, released the memories that had been given to her to the community, and therefore when Jonas' memories are released he must have died. But many people also say that The Giver did say that when Jonas passed the border the memories are released. So based on how you interpret the text, Jonas could have died. Also, the idea of Rosemary must have been based around the character Rosemary in Shakespeare's Hamlet. For those who don't know, long story short, in Hamlet, the main character, Hamlet, has a girlfriend named Rosemary. Hamlet eventually loses his mind, and treats her very poorly. This causes her to lose her mind, and she goes on to kill herself. This relates to Lois Lowry's The Giver because when Rosemary, the Giver's daughter, receives to much pain, suffering, and new emotions that she is not accustomed to, she cannot stand it anymore and, by asking for release, essentially killed herself. This could lead people to believe that at the end of the story Jonas died because all of his memories have been brought back to the community. So for these reasons, the fate of Jonas and Gabriel is up to you.
Well, what happens to Jonah and Gabe is suppose to be up for interpretation. Shortly after Lowry wrote the book, she was interv..."
Yes, I agree that it is up to how the reader interprets the ending, you could argue that based on the story of Rosemary, who, when she died, released the memories that had been given to her to the community, and therefore when Jonas' memories are released he must have died. But many people also say that The Giver did say that when Jonas passed the border the memories are released. So based on how you interpret the text, Jonas could have died. Also, the idea of Rosemary must have been based around the character Rosemary in Shakespeare's Hamlet. For those who don't know, long story short, in Hamlet, the main character, Hamlet, has a girlfriend named Rosemary. Hamlet eventually loses his mind, and treats her very poorly. This causes her to lose her mind, and she goes on to kill herself. This relates to Lois Lowry's The Giver because when Rosemary, the Giver's daughter, receives to much pain, suffering, and new emotions that she is not accustomed to, she cannot stand it anymore and, by asking for release, essentially killed herself. This could lead people to believe that at the end of the story Jonas died because all of his memories have been brought back to the community. So for these reasons, the fate of Jonas and Gabriel is up to you.
They literally live. There's 3 more books.
Heather wrote: "They literally live. There's 3 more books."
I know that, but just because there is a fact doesn't mean you cant look into the explanations for other possibilities.
I know that, but just because there is a fact doesn't mean you cant look into the explanations for other possibilities.
This isn't Kellyanne Conway and alternative facts. It's an actual fact that they survived.
Heather wrote: "This isn't Kellyanne Conway and alternative facts. It's an actual fact that they survived."
But can I not look at other points of view just to better understand them?
But can I not look at other points of view just to better understand them?
There are none. They literally survive. They escape. They survive. I don't know why this is hard for you to comprehend. They literally, without a doubt, 100% survive. Those are the facts.
That is your point of view. Some people may believe that they survive. And lets not bring politics into this, please.
You're the one saying there's alternative facts, don't hate when you get called out on it. And considering g the only book you have on your page is the giver, I can't take anything you say seriously. And they literally survive.
I actually never said alternate facts. If you look back, I have said that there are other possibilities, and other points of views. Also, I am not hating. I am simply stating what I believe is logical, which is that understanding other's point of view is important.
And just because I don't put every book I read on my page, does not mean that I don't read anything, it just means that I don't put books on my page.
This is kind of silly.... I guess if you want to say they died, that's up to you. It'd be like reading The Book Thief and then deciding for yourself that all the characters actually lived. I mean, the US is a free country, I guess you can..... But it's pretty clear that for the author, they survived. So if your question is "what did the author intend?" then, yeah, they lived. Sorry.
On the other hand, theoreticizing is always fun, and the characters are fictional so you're allowed to do that.
I also know that they live. I am just adding on to another's point.
Okay. So you know they live. You just think it's up to the reader? What? Haha. I'm a little confused.....
I think that Jonas died in the end when he was all of a sudden in his “Happy Place.” “ He knew they were shining through the windows of rooms, that they were the red, blue, and yellow lights that twinkled from trees in places where families created and kept memories, where they celebrated love.” I chose this quote to explain because I think that it gives more evidence to my theory. The book had mentioned that the memory of the sled and Christmas were Jonas’ favorite memories. So this is why I would think that Jonas was dead because he could of died in his “Happy Place.”I didn’t like the ending because it completely made no sense to me because it had so many unanswered questions and there was do direct sequel so we will never find out unless there is. We never found out if The Giver ever got to be with his daughter or what happened to Fiona and if she ever found out about release. To answer the question I didn’t like the ending.
Tristen wrote: "I think that Jonas died in the end when he was all of a sudden in his “Happy Place.” “ He knew they were shining through the windows of rooms, that they were the red, blue, and yellow lights that t..."There's literally three more books.
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