Sick and tired of all the controversy!!!

[Angela]

FINALLY!!!! I BOW DOWN TO YOU!!!! You just read my thought.

[Susie]

Lori wrote: "I understand that FSoG started as fanfic, but has any romance piece been original since Jane Eyre? (Poor woman, rich man, conflict, separation, reacquaintance.) Stephanie Myers stated that Jane Eyr..."

I completely agree with you. I did not read the fanfic but from what I have heard the only thing she did was use Bella and Edwards names. Big deal! Do you know how many romance novels I have read that all go the same just like you stated, but there was no ripping off of other authors. There are only so many routes you can take before you have to start wearing them down to make paths.

And for those who say it was poorly written, NO ONE EVER said this was a literary work of art. And it wasn't so poorly written because there are tons of people who do like the books. If it was as atrocious as some people make it out to be then it would not have as much a fan base. Different people have different tastes, it does NOT make one's tastes right and one's wrong. I can't stand country music it sounds horrible to me but it doesn't mean those country singers don't know how to sing.

[Ketta]

I read a better written and hotter erotica novel than 50 shades by Sylvia Day "Bared To You".

[Angela]

Ketta wrote: "I read a better written and hotter erotica novel than 50 shades by Sylvia Day "Bared To You"."

Mmm, I need to read that then. Is is BSDM-like?

[Ketta]

No whips or chains but the sex scenes are totally hot and detailed and longer than 50 shades.

[Janet]

Joanne wrote: "Julie wrote: "Hannah-rebecca wrote: "Meh. There's always controversy. If people are going to take up arms against this book, they should do it based on the terrible writing, not the content."

In t..."

I totally agree with you - especially about all the "oh shit"'s etc... I just chalked them up to the fact that she was trying to write as a 21 yr old!

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Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If you don't like it, why bother with it? Let it go, move..."

If you are after positive remarks on this trashy book, then maybe you should join a facebook page where everyone likes this book only, am sure there are pages which are purley dedicated to the lovers of fifty shades of grey.

[Susie]

yvonne wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If you don't like it, why bother with it? L..."


Why should I get off my OWN thread that I posted??? Did you also not read what I wrote?

[Mary]

Kimberly wrote: "If giving an opinion is considered a complaint, then I definitely did that on my review of this book. At the end of the day, if you take all the sex away from the first book, because I have not re..."

@Kimberly - There is a story. I almost did not read the second book because the first one just did not do that much for me. I persevered because of reviews that said you need to read all 3 books to GET to the story. I am glad I did. The books were average in my opinion, but now I do at least have the background to actually discuss the weaknesses and merits of the books. I think the biggest problem is the length of the books. Each one could have been edited enough to cut the length in half. The length itself contributed to a certain repetitiveness. The "inner goddess" was a bit cheesy, but I could probably name quite a few people in real life who use this type of cheesy monikers for themselves, so in some sense that was realistic if also a bit irritating. These were not terrible books, but they were not great books either. I think with a good editor, the author might have been able to take these from average to above average. The story idea was actually pretty good, it just needed a little better execution in my opinion.

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Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If you don't like i..."

omg susie, you say that you know the difference netbeem fact and fiction, however on another thread 'controlling men', you are there saying that christian desserves 'love and happiness' even though he has issues....sounded as if you believed he was a real guy, not a fictional character.
think we should just start reviewing your reviews, you seem to go on about crap most of the time...they do entertain me though, you are soooo passionate about this pathetic book, its quite amusing

[Kathleen]

Tricia wrote: "Susie wrote: "I am so sick and tired of hearing all the arguments about Fifty Shades this and Fifty Shades that!!! For CRYING OUT LOUD this is NOT the ONLY sexually explicit romance novel out there..."

You definitely need to read the entire series to enjoy the books. I was not impressed with the first book at all, but decided to give the second a shot. I loved, loved, loved it! I enjoyed the series. Not the best books ever, but good light reading non the less!

[Susie]

yvonne wrote: "Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If yo..."

I love it when people pick and choose what they want to trash when it comes to my comments!! NOT!!! If you really read what we were talking about that's how the conversation over there was going. Everyone kept saying shit that if he was a real guy blah blah blah so its funny how some people think that he would not be deserving of love and I even stated yes he is a FICTIONAL character but it is the PRINCIPAL of the fact since everyone else was saying if he was real!! so get your facts straight before you talk shit about a person!! Talking shit about the book is one thing but when you start attacking people that just crosses a line of respect!! I have tried to be very respectful in what I post, I try not to say negative things about individual people. I counter point what they say but I will NOT attack them as you are doing so please I believe I deserve some respect!

And it's not so much the book I am passionate about, it is the fact that so many people who don't even like it are dedicating their time to trashing it and the fans!! I find it ridiculous. If I was that passionate about the book why would I rate it 3 stars and admit it's not the best one out there.

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Susie wrote: "yvonne wrote: "Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they do..."

you shout alot in your posts don't you Susie? you have done quite abit of attacking on here yourself....
too funny....

[Susie]

yvonne wrote: "Susie wrote: "yvonne wrote: "Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into som..."

I have read through all my posts on here and not once did I attack someone. And capitols and exclamation does not mean shouting, it is a way to emphasize a particular word or sentence. It doesn't have to mean shouting.

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my mistake.....usually capitals do mean shouting, where i am from anyway in australia. maybe different where you are from. some people may take offense to your 'capitols' which i have taken as shouting...

[Susie]

Then I am sorry if you took offense to it!

[Joy]

"shouty capitals" LOL!

[Paris (kerbytejas)]

Joy wrote: ""shouty capitals" LOL!"

LOL and so fitting

[Michelle]

Katrina wrote: ""AMEN SUSIE!!!! Just an added thought..... It's not for everyone.IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT! BUT.. For heaven sake Stop Complaining about it !! Geez! It's that simple."

1.How is anyone sup..."

Oh Please ... Do not tell me that you have no idea if a book peaks your interest enough to read by the back cover or inside sleeve. If you start reading it and you don't like it just put it down! As far as why should you stop complaining....lol Is that a trick question? Or do you like sounding like a whining two year old? Time to move on.

[Aestas Book Blog]

I was asked by someone to step in here and give my 2 cents worth, so here it is:

a) Its a ridiculous idea that EL should give any money to Meyer. While Twilight may have inspired her to start writing. And maybe in the beginning, she just started out using the Twilight character names, but the stories have NOTHING in common. At least certainly no more than any 2 other romance books would have. The "possessive controlling dominant guy and shy but inwardly strong girl" love story is hardly an original concept. Both Meyer and James are equally entitled to their own success. Their relation is utterly irrelevant.

b) For readers of 50 Shades who weren't able to see past the sex, I'm not judging. But I will point out that literally MILLIONS of other reader were able to see a deep and meaningful love story behind it, so that got to count for SOMETHING.

c) If you don't like something, say you don't like it. But bashing anyone's work is just juvenile and just makes the person bashing it looks bad. I'll refer back to the fact that MILLIONS of people love it - clearly its much better than "something I can write" (quoting someone earlier in the conversation). And if you think you can write something better, go for it. All the best of luck to you.

d) For those who found the actions repetitive, I'll point out that in any relationship there is a certain repetitiveness to the actions. Everyone fights, everyone loves, everyone goes about their daily life. What makes the story/life progress is seeing how people grow and change during that time both individually and as a couple - something both Christian and Ana certainly did.

e) If by the end of the first book, you don't like the book, DONT KEEP READING!! What is the point of continuing to read something you don't like?? Just to add more fodder to the book bashing? What is the point??

f) For those who find the concept of their relationship progressing so fast unrealistic. I can tell you that at least in my own personal life, my relationship (which is still going strong) happened that fast if not faster - within weeks, we knew we were each other's HEA. And I'm not a fluke, I know many other couples that this has happened to. So... clearly and literally not unrealistic.

g) If you don't like sex scenes in books, DONT READ AN EROTIC ROMANCE BOOK!!! I'm not gonna name names here but to the person who wrote "I read to be entertained, transported to a different world, to see values illustrated in truth... Not fanfic writers who write bullsh*t and make millions while there are modern day classics in a bargain bin at some Borders store because the right people didn't hype them enough." : If you don't like it, don't read it. I don't like classic books. In fact I downright hate them, but you will never EVER find me saying things like what you said above about them or their authors. I have more respect than that for what other people appreciate, even if their opinions are different than mine. *shakes head*

h) 50 Shades didn't call BDSM sick and twisted. What was sick and twisted was Mrs. R introducing him to that lifestyle while he was underage . But in the books, he wasn't cured of his BDSM-ness. It was embraced and happily incorporated into their lives. What was gotten rid of was the mentality behind it. His reasons for needing it changed. And since, because of these books, if you read articles and interviews, you'll see many people openly admitting to how it has improved their love lives, I hardly think its fair to say it looks down on BDSM or makes it appear sick and twisted. Yeesh.

i) I agree its human nature to defend what we like (case and point, this post) but bashing books is just low. One person's 1 star read is another person's 5 star.

j) If I don't like a book, in my review, I'll say exactly why. Rationally, fairly, I won't just fill my review with "this book is $hit, its horrible, dont read it". Who am I to judge what other people should and shouldn't read. I think its my job to say why I didn't like it. End of story.

k) Again, this is directed at one person in particular. Duh, these are fictional characters. Its ridiculous to interpret the fact that if a reader want a character to have a "happy ending" or "deserve love and happiness" as thinking they are real. It just means the reader is into their book and cares for their character. I mean, who doesn't do that with books they love. Obviously you get invested.

[Dana]

Kelly wrote: "I won't ever read these books. Ever. Even reading stuff about "sexy" tampon scenes, "inner goddesses", etc. make me embarrassed for humanity. You know what? I hate f**king sex scenes in books. Does..."

Then it is easy just don't read them, but commenting on something you have no knowledge of is not right either. I almost did not read them myself due to all the negative hype, they are not my typical book type, however I enjoyed them and the journey they took me on and no it wasn't at all about all the sex. I enjoyed the journey and growth that they went through and if I would of listened to the hype I would of missed out.

Yes there is lots of good authors that unfortunately get skipped over, BUT it still does not give anyone the right to bash another. Simple if it is not to your liking PUT IT DOWN and WALK AWAY... and find something more to your taste.

[[deleted user]]

When i was reading the book Belle and edward never apear in my head

[Angela]

Heidy wrote: "When i was reading the book Belle and edward never apear in my head"

Amen to that, which is why it's better then twilight! Plus and sadly no Jacob which sometime I like because there not a bit of a love triangle and the whole book only focus on Ana and Christian.
Btw everyone, I love you discussion so far! It make me so HAPPY that real people understand this book instead of seeing it as trashy.

[Susie]

Aestas **aka Crazinneldy** wrote: "I was asked by someone to step in here and give my 2 cents worth, so here it is:

a) Its a ridiculous idea that EL should give any money to Meyer. While Twilight may have inspired her to start writ..."



THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! THAT IS ALL :-)

[Susie]

Angela wrote: "Heidy wrote: "When i was reading the book Belle and edward never apear in my head"

Amen to that, which is why it's better then twilight! Plus and sadly no Jacob which sometime I like because there..."

Aww thank you, I am just glad we are getting some positive comments now!

And yep NOT ONE thought of "wow this is like bella and edward" lol

[[deleted user]]

Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If you don't like i..."

standing ovation to you

[Peggy]

Ok, I read the Twilight books because my daughters read them and thought they were great. I thought it was an awful message for young women, willing to be a doormat for a man she thought she "loved". FSOG I started because a friend gave me a copy. I tried, but it was awful. My worry is women who think this is great literature. What is the world of real literature becoming if this is the standard? Not even going into the self esteem problem of women who would want a relationship like this. Please read a real classic, you will be able to compare this to something that is really wonderful literature. Maybe women read this for an escape from their real life, maybe their own life is so bland that this is the best they can do. I don't have time to spend on BDSM and an insecure little girl who thinks that physical violence against them or another human is love.

[[deleted user]]

Peggy wrote: "Ok, I read the Twilight books because my daughters read them and thought they were great. I thought it was an awful message for young women, willing to be a doormat for a man she thought she "loved..."

couldn't agree more Peggy....i agree with absolutely everything you said....:-)

[Lady Turtles]

Susie wrote: "Lori wrote: "I understand that FSoG started as fanfic, but has any romance piece been original since Jane Eyre? (Poor woman, rich man, conflict, separation, reacquaintance.) Stephanie Myers stated ..."

It's not just that she used their names. She used the characters. She took away hat vampirism but that wasn't all there was to them. Had she completely re-written the story to make the characters less like Bella, Edward, the Cullens, etc. I wouldn't have a problem with it, but she didn't. She changed the names and that's it. That, in my book, is stealing because the characters were someone else's and slapping different names on them and dropping them into a new situation doesn't make them original characters. Even if you didn't think of the Twilight characters while reading them, that doesn't change the fact that they are those characters.

[[deleted user]]

Angela wrote: "Heidy wrote: "When i was reading the book Belle and edward never apear in my head"

Amen to that, which is why it's better then twilight! Plus and sadly no Jacob which sometime I like because there..."

Better than 'twilight'? ha!! funniest thing i have ever read......LOL

[Paris (kerbytejas)]

The only "Twilight" I saw in these books was the evening on the yacht...Bella & Edward make no cameo in this trilogy - they are but a fanfic memory - thank goodness

[[deleted user]]

Joy wrote: ""shouty capitals" LOL!"

susie does appear to be shouting and very very angry. have never read such intense anger before on a thread. have just read the whole thread and found it very entertaining.!
anyway... like alot of people, i did not like this book. i heard about all the hype on it, reason being why i bought the book. not my cup of tea, but at least i can say that i delved into a different kind of genre that i would normally not read. i got up to chapter 22....good effort i think, but had to stop.

[[deleted user]]

yvonne wrote: "Angela wrote: "Heidy wrote: "When i was reading the book Belle and edward never apear in my head"

Amen to that, which is why it's better then twilight! Plus and sadly no Jacob which sometime I lik..."

definaftly not better than 'twilight'....'twilight' was well written, unlike this book, 'twilight' had a story line at least.....unlike this book. 'twilight' didn't have to rely on sex scenes to make up pages.... shall i go on any further?

[Landofthedragon]

Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If you don't like i..."

So let me get this straight you started the thread as a place where you could discuss the book with other like minded people......

Funny that because I definitely got the impression your comment worded in the form of a rant was meant to be inflammatory to anyone who dared to disagree

Somehow you have taken it upon yourself to act as spokesperson for said author coming to her defence may seem admirable to you but I see it as quite unnecessary, and my gripe has nothing to do with it being fanfic although I'll admit it sticks in my caw when someone sets the same standard toward editing as they would if it were still out there for free.

Susie says:And like I have said before somewhere on goodreads, that if you are not mature enough to know the difference between reality and fiction then you are not mature enough to read a book that contains sex in it, plain and simple.

HMMMMM!! I think I'd ask you to read that statement back and ask yourself as to whom you think is immature when it comes to separating reality from fiction?

susie says:Take a look at Disney, I have seen a post going around facebook that states how almost all the heroes on Disney are not that great of men.

You mean someone's actually figured that out yet??? Now there's something

susie says:Soooo... lets all start trashing Disney instead J/K!!!!!!!!!

finally something we agree on..

[[deleted user]]

totally agree with you Landofthedragon. good on you........

[Susie]

Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "Susie wrote: "WOW ya'll are just... I don't know but, why can't we have a positive thread? Why do people put so much time into something they don't like? If yo..."

No I started it just to get something off my chest (and yes the first post was written in frustration but after that my "CAPITALS AND EXCLAMATIONS" do not mean shouting just emphasizing a word or a sentence) and I even stated that I didn't want any replies, but since no one listened and people did reply, then I would like it to be for people who enjoyed the book because there are plenty of other threads out there for people who didn't like the book.

And this has nothing to do with the author, all I ever said was to give her a break 'cause everyone has to start somewhere. I'm sure a lot of famous authors had less than perfect first books.

My complaint is that the fans seem to not be able to have a place to discuss anything without non-fans harping on them. We have stated several times that ya'll have a right to your opinion just like anyone else, we don't mind that you didn't like the book, but it seems like ya'll think it's ok to take personal shots at some of us. Not all non-fans have but too many. It's disrespectful. We shouldn't have to put up with insults. And this goes for the fans as well. NO INSULTING!! I have at least tried to refrain from taking any personal shots at people and if anyone felt that I did, then I apologize. I just would like to not have to read insults either to the fans or to the books on a thread that I created. You can disagree about the book without resulting to insults as well! Why is that so hard to understand?

And my statement about being mature is focused toward those who claim that the book is bad because it is teaching women the wrong things and that real life doesn't work that way. Of coarse, it's fiction! So therefore you need to be mature enough to know the difference between reality and fantasy just like you need to be mature enough to read a book that has sexual content. We know real life doesn't work the same as it does in romance novels.

[Susie]

Peggy wrote: "Ok, I read the Twilight books because my daughters read them and thought they were great. I thought it was an awful message for young women, willing to be a doormat for a man she thought she "loved..."

Your right it's not great literature and NO ONE said this was a literary work of art. And I don't like classics, I read for entertainment not because something is great literature. That's not my cup o' tea and this wasn't yours and that's fine.

[Landofthedragon]

Susie wrote: And my statement about being mature is focused toward those who claim that the book is bad because it is teaching women the wrong things and that real life doesn't work that way. Of coarse, it's fiction! So therefore you need to be mature enough to know the difference between reality and fantasy just like you need to be mature enough to read a book that has sexual content. We know real life doesn't work the same as it does in romance novels.

Again susie I would have to disagree with your reasoning that just because its fiction we should automatically step outside the box and get over it,

EL James has given a new dimension to repugnant stereotyping, and your own reasoning was the exact same argument she used in defending Anna's behaviour after being jumped on in an interview.

Its just a shame it had to be this particular book that gave woman the empowerment that its okay to read erotica and not feel judged by it.

The problem I have is not the sexual content or indeed the endless cliches, its because Anna's not even believable, I'd have had more respect for the character if she was portrayed as a scheming gold digger which would have at least been honest as to why she put up with such a controlling caricature.

As for taking personnel shots you seem to be doing a fine job of that all on your own, and your not the victim of some personnel vendetta I think its the nature of the way you say things that makes people react towards you,

For my part its all good, and I don't consider my opinion any more valid than yours Im cerainly not taking the moral high ground or insulting you or anyone else who enjoyed FSOG, your making this a personnel slur and its really not.

[Steph]

Hi everyone, I just finished the first book lastnight.

I think that everyone is entiltled to their own opinions.
I only read this book because it was voted in by my book club. Before I even started it I knew that people were seriously divided. People seemed to either love it or hate it.
I had no idea that this book was at first a fanfiction based on Twilight, and I honestly didn't see the connection at all.
The way I look at this book is... I have read a lot better. But I have also read a hell of a lot worse too. The fact that this was the authors first published book should be taken into consideration. I think it was pretty good for a first attempt.
Again, it's about opinion. A book that I thought was the worst book in the world, my best friend might say was incredible. You just don't know, and I thought that that was the beauty of reading, isn't it? That not one person will view that book exactly the same as another?
I will continue with the series to see how things end up. But if I get to the end and decide that overall I didn't enjoy this series, then that was my choice to continue. I won't then complain to everyone that the series got worse and worse. I don't think people should ever be made to feel bad because they enjoyed a book that somebody else didn't. That's crazy.
:)

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Ketta wrote: "I read a better written and hotter erotica novel than 50 shades by Sylvia Day "Bared To You"."

Now that was a erotica novel. It has it WTF momment but it as a page turner i read it in a day.

[[deleted user]]

I don't understand why this book is so divide among people. I personally think that people have to look at it like the opera either you love it or you hate it but either or our learn to appreciate

We all read something and take what we want out of it.

[Steph]

I also agree, Ketta. 'Bared To You' was amazing.

[Dana]

I agree with those that said they could not see Bella and Edward in these books... NOTHING about the characters reminded me of them, I could not even try to imagine them as Ana or Christen.

[Kelly]

Aestas **aka Crazinneldy** wrote: "I was asked by someone to step in here and give my 2 cents worth, so here it is:

a) Its a ridiculous idea that EL should give any money to Meyer. While Twilight may have inspired her to start writ..."

*yawn* You must have never read a REAL love story in your life where a man acts like a REAL man and a woman isn't a half-wit. Beating the sh*t out of people to get off is not "love". By the way, they're called opinions and we are allowed to have them so quit your boo-hooing. I read every quote on the 50 Shades of Suck website in which a chick went through and pulled all kinds of quotes from this braindead drivel. I've seen enough to know this is awful fanfic CRAP. It does say something about our education system when this is the #1 book in America. THAT is why there is controversy. It's not that the controversy is that it is erotica. The controversy is that it SUCKS and it is, I repeat, THE #1 BOOK IN AMERICA. There is the controversy.

[Amanda]

I could definitely see the similarities between Ana/Christian vs. Bella/Edward.

I can forgive a poorly written book because what's poorly written to me is a great piece to another. However, where 50 Shades gets my panties in a twist is how it was published. As we all know, 50 Shades is Twilight fan fiction. There's nothing wrong with a story taking inspiration from another story. *But*...EL James wrote MoTU directly as Twi fanfic and basically just changed the title and character names. 89% of the text from 50 is the same compared to MoTU. I cannot express how much I hate it when people/fans profit off of fan fiction. Laughable how the publisher said it's a complete original piece of work from MoTU. Only 11% original.

I am absolutely not trying to sound offending, but if the OP didn't want other opinions to be voiced in here and simply wanted to rant instead, you should have posted a blog post or something where your friends could find it. You could make a million threads on here and you'll never find a single one in complete harmony of opinion.

Blessed be, fans and non-fans.

[Susie]

Amanda wrote: "I could definitely see the similarities between Ana/Christian vs. Bella/Edward.

I can forgive a poorly written book because what's poorly written to me is a great piece to another. However, where..."

I'm not trying to sound like a smart ass or anything, but can you point out the similarities between twilight an FSoG. I would seriously like to know since I only notice one, which is the Grey siblings being adopted, but that's not realy a big deal.

[Amanda]

No worries. I didn't take it as a smartass comment. It's a valid question to ask.

Similar to Edward, Christian is rich, has god-like good looks, controlling, and I think they even have the same hair color. He also tells Ana to stay away from him and that he's no good for her, yet he still seeks her out. Almost in a stalkerish way.

Then there's Ana/Bella. She's naive, incredibly clumsy, innocent, constantly questions if she's good enough for her Adonis, and dazzled by the "hero".

I'm not saying they're carbon copies because I find Ana to be incredibly stupid and Christian to lack any charm whatsoever. I know it's not just me because others I know have seen the similarities, too. I hope I have satisfied your question.

[Landofthedragon]

When is a rant not a rant when its justifiable, in short I kind of agree with kelly, which makes me want to weep at how much lower the standards can drop.

and for the record it's a completely benign argument to stress that she's not riding on the back of somebody elses coat tails when everybody knows the only thing she did was change up the names.

Also very convenient to turn a blind eye especially if we consider it leaves the floodgates open for other fanfic writers to follow suit and turn creative into profit.

The fact remains this was put out there as a Twilight spin off and is where it should have stayed, as for not resembling the original characters.

That argument always makes me laugh as if that has anything to do with the moral issue. We already know she lacks the basic skills as a writer so are we not surprised she missed the point. which by the way
is just splitting hairs.

It would have been so much classier had she used the platform she was given to create something original. I'm not against being opportunistic it's her ethics I question.

And lastly what sort of message will it send to writers who kindly allow fanfiction perhaps it will make them now think twice.

[Mary]

Landofthedragon wrote: "When is a rant not a rant when its justifiable, in short I kind of agree with kelly, which makes me want to weep at how much lower the standards can drop.

and for the record it's a completely beni..."

The door has been wide open for quite some time in terms of fanfic making its way into books. Look at all of the Jane Austen and Bronte spin-offs. The one difference being that Meyers' book is under copyright. If the James book took too much from Twilight, then Meyers would have a copyright infringement case against her.

[Viola]

Mary wrote: "Landofthedragon wrote: "When is a rant not a rant when its justifiable, in short I kind of agree with kelly, which makes me want to weep at how much lower the standards can drop.

and for the recor..."

What I think is interesting is that we have many readers out there who are very upset about this "copying off another author" business, yet the professionals in the business don't seem to mind.

IF the author had done anything illegal, the book would never have been published. Also, she would already have been sued by Meyer's camp a long time ago.

I enjoyed the books for what they are. I also think everyone is certainly entitled to an opinion, so go ahead and voice it.

The only thing that surprises me is that the people who are in an uproar about it spend more time talking about it than people who liked them! I dislike things at times too, but I spend way more time talking about the things I like than the things I don't.

I'm more interested in hearing what other readers recommend.