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Jen (at last!)
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May 01, 2013 05:30PM
Yeah, the whole space time continuum thing blows my mind a little. It's crazy cool when you think about it. Technically, in Joe's office (view spoiler)[she hadn't done it yet b/c she didn't even know Jamie was alive so she hadn't made plans to go back. Yet, time is a circle, so it would have been a memory of sorts since she *had* done it. (hide spoiler)]
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I figured it was just part of her gift. Master Raymond has the blue light stuff... maybe being able to "feel" what happened to someone via their bones is part of what Claire can do?
I'm telling you this book is genius! Chills!The more I look at Jaime King the more I think she'd be a perfect Geillis. Can't you just see her bewitching Dougal?
I always though the older big Kirsty Alley would be a great older Geillis. Those eyes are piercing. I think they are blue but contacts could make them green.
Heather in FL wrote: "I figured it was just part of her gift. Master Raymond has the blue light stuff... maybe being able to "feel" what happened to someone via their bones is part of what Claire can do?"I think it's definitely a part of whatever magic-y stuff is in their bloodline.
In Dragonfly in Amber, when Claire first meets Master Raymond and he takes her into his back room he has a huge collection of animal skulls, he is pleased when Claire says she can "get a feeling for what the animal was like, looking at these." He also tells her he has the skulls them because "they are company, of a sort."
I can't remember if it's in Drums of Autumn or The Fiery Cross, but there's also a part where Claire ends up stuck in the woods due to a bad storm and she finds a human skull ((view spoiler)) that gives her an odd feeling as well.
Oh, yeah... The skull in the tree hollow. Another one that gave me chills when she eventually got a closer look. If you think about what Master Raymond says in The Space Between about his "children", it could also be an innate affinity to sense things others who have that blue light.
Diane wrote: "I always though the older big Kirsty Alley would be a great older Geillis. Those eyes are piercing. I think they are blue but contacts could make them green."Yeah, she could totally play older Geillis. Creepy, crazy eyes! :)
Gellis has gone from eccentric to over the edge. she is up to some serious no-good at Rose Hall.What tickled me was that she & Claire were discussing the stones and travel... and there was Jamie, listening and learning. I wonder why he doesn't think Claire is odd/possessed/witchy whatever?
Didn't Claire posit that Geillis has syphilis? That would be enough to make her crazy, even though she was a bit mad to begin with... I guess I figured Geillis slept her way through however many men she needed to get what she wanted - aka becoming Mrs. Abernathy. That would be enough (especially in that day) to get a venereal disease.Besides, while Jamie can't quite understand Claire and all this, he's seen enough (certainly before Voyager's over) that he knows from his own personal experiences that this stuff isn't all made up.
LJG also noted a scab or some kind of syphillis-y rash on Gellis in the Zombie novella. Agreed, the woman was far from stable to begin with (sociopath much?) but that would have exacerbated the crazy.
I thought gellis was killed in the cave when Jamie and Claire saved Ian. Did she jump through stones?Also, I'm reading "the space between" now. I just came across the name melisandre. I thought I've read that name in one of the books in the series. Can anyone help me?
Also, gellis never left after Dougal. Dougal got her away to France. Then she went to West Indies.
Yep. Geillis was Mme. Melisandre (she reveled that to Claire in Voyager). Also in Outlander, one of the books G had in her workroom library was "L'Grimoire d'le Count St. Germaine".
She was La Dame Blanche in France (aka Melissandre) in Dragonfly. Dougal helped her escape to France after the baby was born. The cave thing happened after.
Is there a novella of Ian's time with her? I really REALLY want more on her...
No, there's isn't a novella of Ian and Geillis. I haven't heard anything about one.
Personally I think I wouldn't want to read more about that time. Geillis was a twisted sick person and I feel it would just focus on the shock factor of what she did. I would be more interested in the psychological aspect of how she got that way and how she found out about the stones etc.
Well...yeah. But you gotta remember Randall was my fav character...so me seeking out twisted darkness is fathomable since THEY KILLED OFF MY BOOBOOBEAR! XD
I guess probably cuz I can relate to Ian...and am actually trying to write a darker scene for my novel, and could use some inspiration.
I'm not messed up guys. Just...a researcher.
I remember reading an excerpt ( from what or where I cannot remember) About Raymond's beginning in the far past. I have been interested in his character ever since.
Outlandish Companion talks about Master Raymond a little more in depth I think.
Did you guys know that Geillis Duncan was a real witch in Scotland back in 1590?
Tessa wrote: "Outlandish Companion talks about Master Raymond a little more in depth I think."Wow! I wonder if Diana researched that and put her in the books
Liza wrote: "Did you guys know that Geillis Duncan was a real witch in Scotland back in 1590?"Yes
Why do you think that Gellis wants to end the Lovat/Fraser line (besides being crazy)?
Keri wrote: "Why do you think that Gellis wants to end the Lovat/Fraser line (besides being crazy)?"From Voyager Discussion Line I posted this:
Keri wrote: "I want to know what Gellie's beef is with the Lovat/Fraser line."
I think it is a matter of control and power and she believes Brianna to be the answer to the prophecy involving the Fox's line taking the throne ; however, the Lovat line died out in the 19th century UNTIL she discovered that Jaime the grandson of the Fox had a living daughter in the 20th century (conceived in the 18th born in the 20th)
Heather in FL wrote: "I figured it was just part of her gift. Master Raymond has the blue light stuff... maybe being able to "feel" what happened to someone via their bones is part of what Claire can do?"You discover a lot about Master Raymond, the Count, Gellis and Claire in DG novella The Space In Between. I will not spoil it for you but it is really interesting.... Think of Master Raymond as a kind of grandfather.
Sharon wrote: "I didn't like the Ian/Geillis storyline or that island or the the Chinese man. I also don't like the future Brianna, Roger and kid stories - seem too far afield. I love the Claire, Jamie, Ian, Lord..."I think in book 9 Roger, Brianna and the kids return to Fraser Ridge. I hope so I do not like everyone separated by the distance of time.
the other courtney wrote: "She was La Dame Blanche in France (aka Melissandre) in Dragonfly. Dougal helped her escape to France after the baby was born. The cave thing happened after."I think you are a little confused it was Claire who was La Dame Blanche (the White Lady) both in France and in Scotland.
GELLIS was in 1968 Mrs Greg Edgars ...she marries him in early 1960s and kills him on Samhaim 1968 and burns his body as a means to travel through the stones.
GELLIS arrived in 1739 and marries a man named Isbester. He dies mysteriously shortly after Samheim 1739. This was a very short marriage.
GELLIS becomes Geillis Duncan when she marries Arthur Duncan in 1739. Arthur was the Mackenzie fiscal. Geillis kills him sometime in 1744.
After GEILLIS is supposedly burned for being a witch (after she delivers her son which is 3 months after the witch trials) Dougal has her smuggled (she threatens him with cutting the throat of their son, WIlliam Buccleigh Mackenzie) out of Scotland to France where she takes on the persona of Mme. Melisande Robicheaux while living in Paris. It is here that she is involved with the Comte St Germaine (another traveler) and Master Raymond.
In 1761 Gellis marries Barnabas Abernathy a West Indies plantation owner. It is here she becomes known as the White WITCH of Rose Plantation. She kills her husband Barnabas and is killed in a cave in the West Indies in 1767 while Claire and Jaime are rescuing 15 year old Young Ian who she is attempting to sacrifice. Claire believed she had syphyllis and this is the reason she was off her rocker. Tertiary Syphyllis even today is incurable, fatal and causes severe dementia. One famous person that had Tertiary Syphyllis was Winston Churchill's father, Sir Randolph Churchill.
It should be noted that there is a distinction between a WHITE WITCH and WHITE LADY especially in Scotland where Druid tradition is strong.
