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Sebastian Crushes...
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May 13, 2012 08:52AM
Okay, so I kinda began liking Sebastian...was it just me? If you are gonna state a spoiler, say SPOILER ALERT so people reading it right now won't get anything given away...so...SEBASTIAN!
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Ria wrote: "spoiler. he's a freak. he kisses clary and tells her see belongs to him. how is that right?!"Haha yeah i kno...freaky. but he has his funny moments :)
Okay, before the whole incestual incident, I was definitely Team Sebastian. But after that... well, let's just say that kind of turned me away from him :PHis and Jace's dialogue is hilarious
Mist .:.rockclimbingirl.:. wrote: "Okay, before the whole incestual incident, I was definitely Team Sebastian. But after that... well, let's just say that kind of turned me away from him :PHis and Jace's dialogue is hilarious"
I know right! They r so funny! :)Cassandra Clare's amazing...she made the evil guy be funny...and I laughed lol
I found myself liking sebastian, definitely one of my favorite villains even after the whole kissing scene....
I actually bought the story he told Clary of becoming a good guy, etc until the whole reveal.I'm actually more surprised at how much I liked Clary and sympathized with her in this book.
He is one of the creepiest characters ever.He's wants his sister as a girlfriend how messed up is that.He also wants Jace has his mind slave.I can't wait intil the next book and Sebastian's downfall.
Same here. I found the part of his Clary 'belonging' to him speech the most disturbing scene from the book.
and I don't want him to become a good guy. I mean, you couldn't have done what he has and just . . . poof, I'm good. Even if he did, the guy is going down. And how about the bonus scene of him and the REAL Sebastian? Sebastian (real) seemed to be an awesome guy! I loved him!
So down with Johnathan
Shadowhunter Girl you must have got the walmart edition with the Real Sebastian scene I didn't get that version but got the story about Alec and Camille talking about Magnus's father but it's good to know that the real Sebastain was nothing like the fake one.
Oh wow I didn't know that there was another edition with a story about Alec and Camille. Yeah the edition I got was just a short story of "Sebastian" becoming Sebastian.
I don't know why but I didn't get any bonus material if anyone could send me some or whatever that would be great
I simi liked Sebastian for a few minutes while they were drinking hot chocolate. I thought he was actually changing... yeah i hate him again... and him wanting to be with Clary... absolutely revolting. He best die in the next one.
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I don't really want Sebastian to die...I just want him to change if possible. If not, then I'm still gonna be a little sad for him :)I think if he didn't have demon blood in him he would be a GREAT person. I feel kinda bad for him...he's so lonely. He doesn't know what it's like to be loved, so he's a little bit ( a lot) messed up. I want him to get whats best for him in the end. I was SO HOPING that (SPOILER!)
he would be stabbed by Glorious and all the evil stuff washed out of him. :)
He totally has a sense of humour tho :) Hehe
I never liked him, he always creeped me out ever since I found out that he was her brother and that he'd kissed Clary. Yeah, so not cool.For me it's hard to imagine him as a good guy just because I don't think it was only the poisonous and evil blood injected into him but also how he was raised. Valentine wanted a soldier, and whether that consisted of angel blood or not, he would try to make a soldier. I just wish Sebastian had stuck with the first alternative and had stayed dead.
Now he's up and about, stealing Jace's free will (which is 99% of the reason why I despise the dude because I LOVE Jace and to put Clary through all that was just . . . awful!)
Anyway, throughout the book I never trusted him, and personally, he frightened me in some chapters.
Those of you who liked him, that's great. I'm just saying I just found him ew and wanted him to be beaten by the good guys like all bad characters are destined to be.
(Although, Marie, if he had been stabbed with Glorias and all the badness drained from him and he was good, that would have been an epic conclusion, although it was said to save the one's who were more Heaven's then Hell's so I don't know if Sebastian would have been saved....)
I liked Sebastian the whole time he was in the series... up until he kissed Clary then I was like, "Ok, your out, You don't kiss your sister, not ok! Bad!"I really liked him as the good guy, I liked how he actually started to act like Clary's older brother. I want him to just change, not die..
I liked him when ne had black hair because I didn't know that underneath the dye was, you know, a murdering, incapable of loving, demon blood injected, brother of Clary's who eventually commits some very VERY VERY VERY VERY disturbing things which made me begin to hate him. All started when he killed Max. I LIKED MAX:(
I absolutely thought Jace had changed him. Then, he did that demented flip of his mind, and I was so devastated. I thought I could finally obsess over a guy that wasn't taken. Or gay. *MAGNUS<3333* Stupid evil people. I sill liked him...up until the end of COLS.
I'm really confused as to why people are liking Sebastian. Is it normal to like an evil character who wants to destroy everything and who has killed before? Before you start liking someone, think about real life.
Is there even a word for a guy hitting on his own blood? That part nauseated me. Yeah, he's an evil dude who cares for doom and destruction but Cassandra Clare could have at least made him an aproporiate evil dude who cares for doom and destruction.
Sebastian thinks he can do anything he wants.That he is the greatest thing ever.Rules he's better then them.He is like the angel who's blood that runs in his veins.Only he is forgetting that that angel fell.
THERE IS A BIG SPOILER IN THIS ONE!I've always like him.
I was thinking; what would happen if Clary would have drunken the blood of the Lilith? she would have done EVERYTHING Sebastian said. and i mean EVERYTHING!
I almost feel bad for him.
he is so lonely.
I was freaking out when I was reading the kiss scene. (It wasn't just a kiss scene). That just kind of freaked me out. i am always for the bad guys especially this one for some reason.
I love every part of this book. except when Malec brakes up. :(
I didn't like Alec and Magnus as a couple, but that scene still surprised me, I really hadn't seen it coming.
Anna wrote: "THERE IS A BIG SPOILER IN THIS ONE!I've always like him.
I was thinking; what would happen if Clary would have drunken the blood of the Lilith? she would have done EVERYTHING Sebastian said. an..."
I COMPLETELY agree with you! He is the best evil dude EVER!
has anyone wondered if Sebastian had any control over Jace and his lusty feelings/actions for Clary? Since Sebastian and Jace were bound, was it really Jace wanting to do it with Clary because of Sebastian's evil blood or was it really Sebastian wanting to do it with Clary and used Jace to satisfy his lusty feelings? Either way, it's really gross but Cassandra Clare needed Sebastian to be evil otherwise he would be such a softie and who really wants a softie to burn down the world? :)
But I mean, why add Sebastian those feelings at all? Why is it neccessary? Clare could have just left it to Sebastian believing that she belongs to him, not in that way, but like brother and sister?Then it wouldn't be so revolting, and I'd hate him a little less. (Unless like you said, it was Jace's feelings for Clary channeling through Sebsatian just like it had been vice versa), and if that IS the case...I'd still hate Sebastian, but not as much.
So maybe Clare will clarify that, stating that when they were bound, their feelings collided, Sebastian believing he liked his little sister when really he didn't, opposed to the alternative which would just leave me stating my original thoughts. That he is a creep and the world's worst brother who seriously needs a visit to a therepist or have a brain check. He's a murderer and I, since he is not a good guy, bringing destruction and doom instead, am allowed to condemn him to death.
(Those of you who like Sebastain, think of this. He's mostly demons and since demons can't die, just be sent into another demesion for a very long time, maybe he won't be able to die and instead re-form, being the problem in the Dark Artifices). But by then I'd be sick of him.
http://www.goodreads.com/group/show/6... Everyone join this group if you love TMI! And btw I loved Sebastian the minute he stepped into the spotlight in COG
i knew there was something wrong with sebastian from the moment i met him. i just never knew he'd be this twisted. i hate his guts
Simplyminali wrote: "i knew there was something wrong with sebastian from the moment i met him. i just never knew he'd be this twisted. i hate his guts"Thank you for seeing and sharing my point!
I don't want Sebastian to change I want him to pay for everything he has done.IMO he is not one who can be or deserves to be saved.He is a twisted sick mad man who wants his sister as a girlfriend and to burn down the world.I will be so mad if Cassandra Clare try's to save his worthless sicko ass.btw how can anyone like or love him?!
At first, when Sebastian was introduced, I HATED him. I thought he was the worst character so far, up until The City of Lost souls, he started to grow on me a bit, and I liked him. Only up until the part where he (SPOILER) was fist fighting with Clary, and then groped her. He's awful, and I hope Cassandra Clare doesn't keep his sorry ass around.
I hate him. He's inhumane-literally. He's corrupted beyond comprehension and he's just wrong. (spoiler) If only Jace hadn't gotten in the way of that sword....
I liked Him a lot too, but at the end of this book...not so much.
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I started to like Sebastian, too. I liked the way he interacted with Jace, and even with Clary. (view spoiler)
If you didn't read the spoiler, I'm going to temporarily reference Phantom of the Opera.
The Phantom doesn't know right from wrong. He was raised in hatred and cruelty and nobody taught him what it was like to love and be loved. He only knew how to get what he wanted through force and anger. You can't blame a child for what they were never taught, and so I never blamed Phantom for the things that he did, and the way he went about trying to get Christine to love him.
This reminded me of Sebastian.
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Everyone keeps saying how revolting it is that he loves her like that, but I'm almost positive that we ALL wanted Jace and Clary to be together, even when we thought they might be siblings. Sebastian didn't know Clary growing up, just like Jace didn't when he believed he was her brother. The fact, in their universe, that Jace and Clary were related, and that was a fact and there was no getting around it. They didn't believe there was a way that it couldn't be true in their universe. They were in the SAME boat as Sebastian is now, so I don't understand why Sebastian is the sick and twisted one for loving Clary, holding it back, hiding it as best he could, and Jace is totally fine for loving her like that, too, even when he thought he was her brother. I don't think there should be a double standard because Sebastian is the bad guy and his love is only one sided.
So, long story short, I pity him more than anything else. I feel bad for him, terrible for him, and I feel my insides ache when I think about his situation. I don't know if I like him, but I definitely don't hate him--I think I just want to give him a long, tight hug.
I see your point Thalia and it has made me think.But I knew going in the series that the main characters Jace and Clary were not blood relatives like the author wanted you to think having read a review and been told so I never was revolted having already been in on the secret.Plus maybe it's because they fell in love before they knew they were "brother and sister" but Sebastian has know the whole time that Clary was his blood sister or that is how I take it.I also don't believe that Sebastian knows what love is.I believe he wants what he wants and heaven help who gets in his way.Yes Valentine played Frankenstein with Sebastian with the demon blood and I blame Valentine for Sebastian but I also don't think Sebastian ever tryed to fight his nature or become good.I also think when his says I didn't mean to kill him,ect..he wasn't telling the truth.Sebastian likes to kill.Maybe it's the only time he feels at all.
I also hate Sebastian more for being a killer of a 9 year old and think that make's everything else he does in my eyes more sick.Plus like a said before there are some people who can't be saved and shouldn't be.Also if "He had a horriable home life" was a good defense more people(killers,gang members,ect..)would be on the street.
Well, Nicole, your point of view is different, since you knew reading the series that they weren't going to end up that way by reading spoilers. Most people, like myself, went through the series hoping to high heaven they wouldn't be, and also having to seriously wondered if I would care either way. But not knowing what one of the reasons I loved Mortal Instruments to begin with.I don't know if Sebastian knows what real love is either. But I think he understands that his feelings for Clary are much different than what he's used to, and I think he's afraid of that. He's not entirely evil, swallowed up by wickedness. He's a Shadowhunter; he's human, angel AND demon; all that blood runs through his veins. Wouldn't you be confused, too? It's like when Jace thought he was part demon--he thought that's why he loved Clary. And maybe it's the same for Sebastian.
If you didn't know there was any other way to be, how would you know to fight against it? If you didn't know there was any such thing as compassion or kindness, how are you supposed to strive to be those things? When all that exists is cruelty and torture and anger, you don't know anything else; you don't know there IS another way to go about doing things. So I can't blame him for not fighting against it, because there's a strong chance he didn't know there was something to fight against.
As for killing Max, I hate that, too. But he also said he hadn't meant to. I don't know if that's true or not, but I believe it is. I don't think he meant to kill Max, just like he said. I'm taking those words at face value. I don't believe he meant to kill Max, but again, he didn't see any other way to go about doing what needed to be done other than knocking him out. "I didn't know my own strength." I believe that.
It's all a matter of perspective though. I'm taking Sebastian's explanations and words at face value, but there's no way to know, at this point, whether it was all fake, all plotted in order to get Clary to trust him. You can't tell right now. I want to believe everything he said was as true to form as it could be, because I think Sebastian envies the relationship Jace has with his family members. He's always envied Jace, because Valentine seemed to like Jace better (like Clary said, Jace doesn't have any whip marks on his back), and he knows how much the Lightwoods and everyone is willing to fight for Jace. He's jealous of that, and I think he liked being able to joke with Jace and have hot chocolate with Clary and feel like he was normal. And maybe it was also envy for Jace and everything Jace has that led him to feel the way he does about Clary. It's just too early for me to tell, but I can't say I hate him, because of my Phantom-logic and all I really can feel is the overwhelming pity for him and his situation.
Although, don't let my defense of Sebastian's feelings for Clary lead you to believe I promote them. the one-sided view of Sebastian/Clary holds interest and heartache for me, but I would never ever promote them as a couple. XD
Thalia wrote: "NOTE:You can do html spoilers!
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I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU! I liked the Phantom because he was just a lonely person who didn;t know what to do, or how to loved or be loved :(. Sebastian just wash;t raised in the way that other people were raised. He doesn't KNOW! And honestly, if I were Clary I'd feel BAD for him and try to help him in a way that don't get super close to him, and see if there is a way to fix him :( I just feel SO BAD FOR HIM! I think he might end up like the Phantom. Seeing that he wasn't doing the right thing and letting Clary and Jace go or something like that. I feel SO BAD FOR him! He's just so lonely and he needs someone for him! He thinks that maybe that person is Clary, but its not. He wanted to have a friend, so he possessed Jace, because he just DOESN't know how to make friends, or have people be on his side. :(
And that is really sad :(
Marie, I totally agree! (With what you said about him ending up like Phantom, not..."I agree with you agreeing with me" or something. XD)He doesn't understand. I mean (also like Phantom), he never had interaction with ANYONE from the outside world until Valentine sent him off to take the real Sebastian's place. All he had was Valentine and this distant knowledge of Jace. And I think Valentine probably emotionally hated Sebastian just as much as Jocelyn did, but used him because he could get what he wanted with him. Like Clary said, "Why whip one child and not the other?" It's really sad.
If I were Clary, I'd feel bad for him, too. But I think Clary's too much in the middle of everything to feel anything but hatred for him. I mean, when Jace screamed at him that he hated him, and Clary said those nasty things to him, I just felt terrible; and he responded the only way he knew how. Through violence and agression.
I think, if he has a change of heart (like I really think he will/should), he probably will end up like Phantom. But I also think he'll end up very alone like Phantom did, maybe never letting go of that person he loved, even though she's already moved on. I mean, even after Christine married Raoul, Phantom never stopped loving her. And I think, if Sebastian lives through the end of this series, the same might happen to him.
Okay, I'm seriously just thrilled someone actually understood what I was saying. :D
Thalia wrote: "Marie, I totally agree! (With what you said about him ending up like Phantom, not..."I agree with you agreeing with me" or something. XD)He doesn't understand. I mean (also like Phantom), he neve..."
Haha :D
Yeah, I completely agree with you :). One of my friends hates his GUTS and Im STILL trying to explain to her why I feel bad for Sebastian ;)
THANK YOU FOR COMPARING TO PHANTOM OF THE OPERA! That is so perfect :). Its much easier to understand once you compare
Yes! I only have one IRL friend who reads the series, and she loves Phantom like I do, so I'm sure she'll be able to see it, too. Just...thinking about Sebastian's situation twists me up inside because it's so sad. :/
Thalia wrote: "Yes! I only have one IRL friend who reads the series, and she loves Phantom like I do, so I'm sure she'll be able to see it, too. Just...thinking about Sebastian's situation twists me up inside be..."
:( me too :( I have a few friends who are in LOVE with Cassandra Clare, and a one who thinks her writing is boring (which I was very surprised about). Sebastian should get a decent ending FOR SURE though :)
Yeah, my other best friend HATES this series. She thinks it's terribly written and really immature, but I'm glad my other one is just as in love as I am, hahah.Unfortunately, I think Sebastian probably won't make it through. :/ But I think if he dies, it'll be in a sort of self-sacrificing way, and in a redeeming manner.
Thalia wrote: "Well, Nicole, your point of view is different, since you knew reading the series that they weren't going to end up that way by reading spoilers. Most people, like myself, went through the series ho..."When Sebastian was introduced to the series in COG I liked him. I mean, who wouldn't like a cute guy with jet-black hair who "seemed" nice? Plus, I was looking forward at the ooportunity for Clary to make Jace jealous.
Anyway, the only real reason I hate the guy is just his attraction (eww to Clary. I don't really think he has any humanity in him because the D-blood killed what humanity was left in him over time, devouring him from the inside out. Who knows? It may just be (as I have said this before) Jace's feelings for Clary channeling through Sebastian. Because, when I read the extra scene about him and the REAL Sebastian Verlac, he mentioned that he was proud of Clary, like an older brother should be.
Even if this were the case, I'd still hate him cuz, well, he's evil and I rarely like the evil guys. The only exception I've ever made on that note is for Cato in the Hunger Games, but that's it. Also, I'm not too fond of him burning down the world. That plan really destinguishes whatever hope I had of liking him.
He killed Max who was like, one of my favorite Lightwoods and he killed Jace. Like father like son.
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*Sniff* *Sniff* That is beautifully said, I think I'm going to cry
THANK YOU THALIA and Marie!!! I'm so glad that someone actually pities Sabastian like I do. I didn't even think about making the connection between Sebastian and the Phantom. I love the musical and movie and I literally cried because I felt bad for the Phantom. No one has ever loved him so of course he's not going to know what love is. That would explain Sebastian's pyschopathic possessiveness and creepy obsession. I'm definitely NOT promoting a Sebastian/Clary relationship. I was all for Jace and Clary from the very beginning. God, Cassandra Clare! You really know how to tear your fans' hearts apart :)
Thalia wrote: "Yeah, my other best friend HATES this series. She thinks it's terribly written and really immature, but I'm glad my other one is just as in love as I am, hahah.Unfortunately, I think Sebastian pr..."
yeah ur probably right. WISHFUL THINKING but I DONT WANT HIM TO DIE! ;(
i do want him to die because he got in the way of jace and clary's relationship
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